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Steelers third-year OLB Jarvis Jones admits he's still trying to regain the mobility in his previously-injured wrist.

Jones hurt his wrist Week 3 last season and missed 10 games on I.R./designated for return. "Trying to get my mobility in it," Jones said. "They say I won’t get it all back but I’m trying to make the most of it." Jones received poor marks across the board from Pro Football Focus last season, but is expected to open the season as the starter. ahead of James Harrison and opposite Arthur Moats.


Steelers second-round CB Senquez Golson underwent shoulder surgery Friday morning.

Per ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, Golson will be "out a while." It was previously reported that Golson may require season-ending surgery, so this may be it and could send the 56th pick in May's draft to I.R. At 5'9/176, he's a small slot corner.

-Sooo, I stand by my thinking that we should have traded for Boykin before the draft and drafted Randy Gregory in rd 2. Jones is a bum.
 
Steelers third-year OLB Jarvis Jones admits he's still trying to regain the mobility in his previously-injured wrist.

Jones hurt his wrist Week 3 last season and missed 10 games on I.R./designated for return. "Trying to get my mobility in it," Jones said. "They say I won’t get it all back but I’m trying to make the most of it." Jones received poor marks across the board from Pro Football Focus last season, but is expected to open the season as the starter. ahead of James Harrison and opposite Arthur Moats.


Steelers second-round CB Senquez Golson underwent shoulder surgery Friday morning.

Per ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, Golson will be "out a while." It was previously reported that Golson may require season-ending surgery, so this may be it and could send the 56th pick in May's draft to I.R. At 5'9/176, he's a small slot corner.

-Sooo, I stand by my thinking that we should have traded for Boykin before the draft and drafted Randy Gregory in rd 2. Jones is a bum.

it takes two to tango. If they didn't want to trade him how can you force them?
 
He's a bum cause he hurt his wrist and it isn't healed all the way? Also how do you envision Golson needing surgery.
 
This might be news to some, but it does happen that injuries can derail a career for many athletes before they really ever get started.

Steve Emtman, Ki Jana Carter, Curtis Enis are three examples off the top of my head. Heck even Willie Parker was never the same after breaking his leg. Sometimes it doesn't take much with the wrong injury -- especially if it effects the strength of what made that player NFL caliber -- and they never recover completely.

I don't know if Jones is that guy or not, but it's feasible injuries may have already derailed him. It sucks, it happens, and you move on after the contract is over. In the meantime none of us can control it, so hope for the best.
 
I hope Gregory can defeat his demons. I'm glad we didn't draft him on the off chance he does.
 
Steelers third-year OLB Jarvis Jones admits he's still trying to regain the mobility in his previously-injured wrist.

Jones hurt his wrist Week 3 last season and missed 10 games on I.R./designated for return. "Trying to get my mobility in it," Jones said. "They say I won’t get it all back but I’m trying to make the most of it." Jones received poor marks across the board from Pro Football Focus last season, but is expected to open the season as the starter. ahead of James Harrison and opposite Arthur Moats.


Steelers second-round CB Senquez Golson underwent shoulder surgery Friday morning.

Per ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, Golson will be "out a while." It was previously reported that Golson may require season-ending surgery, so this may be it and could send the 56th pick in May's draft to I.R. At 5'9/176, he's a small slot corner.

-Sooo, I stand by my thinking that we should have traded for Boykin before the draft and drafted Randy Gregory in rd 2. Jones is a bum.

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#22 Shaq Thompson S Washington
Thompson in my opinion was the best football player on the board. He can play OLB, ILB, S and RB. I personally have him him drop down to 210-215 and play SS and then kick to LB in certain sub packages. To me he is as close to Polamalu that has come out of college since Troy.

#56 Randy Gregory OLB Nebraska
I could not pass him up at this point. Get Peezy and Deebo to settle his *** down and hit the weight room and not the bong. Dude is a natural pass rusher and has the ability to drop into coverage if needed. Yes, he's an idiot for smoking weed knowing he'd be tested but he also has about 9 million reasons to remember not to do that again.

#88 Danielle Hunter OLB LSU
Yes, I know I just went OLB but he is by far the best guy on my board. He is a physical freak of nature and only 20 years old. Needed one more year to develop and made a big mistake coming into this draft. Right now we have JJ (bust), 38 years old James Harrison, journey man Arthur Moats, and just drafted Randy Gregory. I feel we will need two OLB's for the team in 2016 anyways so lets get them both now. Truthfully I think if the Steelers did not take Golson in the second he'd still be here for me to take.

#121 Doran Grant CB OSU
Grant fits what the Steelers do on defense. He plays zone, tackles well, has some hops, decent hands. I had him as a solid third round CB so I also feel the value is here.

#160 Lorenzo Doss CB Tulane
Since the Steelers took Golson early I come back and get a Golson like player in Doss. Doss is a very smooth CB with a nice back pedal, flips his hips well, has the speed to keep up on vertical routes. Not very big and can be handled by bigger receivers. Takes a few too many chances.

#199 Darren Waller WR Georgia Tech
Dude is freaky big and fast. I liked Smelter better and thought he'd still be on the board but someone else liked his tape and snagged him earlier on. Waller is a poor mans Calvin Johnson being 6-6 238lbs with a sub 4.5 forty time. He might switch to TE depending on what the coaches think but as of right now he should be a red zone guy who can develop.

#212 Ben Koyak TE Notre Dame
To me he's pretty much a safe pick at TE. He has nice athleticism, hands, and can block very well. Isn't going to wow you but I feel he has a high floor and at least is a #2 TE.

#239 Gerod Holliman FS Louisville
Holliman is a ballhawk and does a nice job of readying the QB and breaking on the ball. Also, he catches the ball something we seem not to be able to do at the moment.

I do this every year to just judge what I feel would be the correct route to go. So far Shaq has been injured and they are playing him at ILB and I would have played him at SS after having him lose 10-20 pounds. So who knows I guess. Gregory so far has had stellar reports from camp so I feel he is ahead of Dupree at this point. Danielle Hunter is right where I expected him to be as a project. Kind of like Dupree but a 3rd round pick not a 1st. Grant I liked as our pick but so far not impressed. Doss has not impressed but he's a 5th rounder so not much expected. Darren Waller is impressing in Baltimore. Koyack is stuck behind Mercedes Lewis, Julius Thomas, Harbour and is a guy I wouldn't mind plucking off the Jags PS if they try to sneak him on there. Holliman probably doesn't make the team or PS from all accounts. Unless injury allows him to sneak on the 53 man I suppose.
 
This might be news to some, but it does happen that injuries can derail a career for many athletes before they really ever get started.

Steve Emtman, Ki Jana Carter, Curtis Enis are three examples off the top of my head. Heck even Willie Parker was never the same after breaking his leg. Sometimes it doesn't take much with the wrong injury -- especially if it effects the strength of what made that player NFL caliber -- and they never recover completely.

I don't know if Jones is that guy or not, but it's feasible injuries may have already derailed him. It sucks, it happens, and you move on after the contract is over. In the meantime none of us can control it, so hope for the best.

Those guys all had major knee injuries. Jarvis had a wrist injury and he's a LB. He's not a QB who has to throw or a WR who has to catch. This should have a minor impact on his job.

Ice up son.
 
Jarvis Jones and Bud Dupree present an interesting issue. Neither has been getting much positive press, although who knows really what to believe there. Anyway, in Jones you have a guy who produced in college statistically, but did not have good measurables, and then Dupree, who didn't do as much in college but had all the measurables.

I am interested to see which one of these guys has the better career. The guy who showed he could make plays, and the guy that is thought could make plays. Be interesting about drafting philosophies, too. If I was drafting, I would put more stock in a guy who has shown he can make plays. It is why I liked the Golson pick, for example. So far though, that hasn't worked out too well with Jones.

I guess I just hope at least one of 'em works the hell out. At least that way either the play guys or the measurable guys will be vindicated.
 
Jarvis Jones and Bud Dupree present an interesting issue. Neither has been getting much positive press, although who knows really what to believe there. Anyway, in Jones you have a guy who produced in college statistically, but did not have good measurables, and then Dupree, who didn't do as much in college but had all the measurables.

I am interested to see which one of these guys has the better career.

Not throwing in the towel just yet on Jones, especiallynot Dupree. But if Chickello has a better career, let this be a lesson to the front office. Draft football players! No projects and no more freak athletes. The curse of Kearse... everybody wants to find the next "Freak"
 
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Those guys all had major knee injuries. Jarvis had a wrist injury and he's a LB. He's not a QB who has to throw or a WR who has to catch. This should have a minor impact on his job.

Ice up son.
it's not like he jams it into a 300lb plus LT at all....ever.
 
I expected Dupree to struggle first year. I love that he is showing frustration in camp. That shows 2 things. 1 he knows he's not getting the job done. 2 he is passionate about wanting to get better.

In not worried about Dupree yet. With his size, I think worst case scenario is that he gets stronger and just becomes a Woodley type who can play run and bull rush on the strong side.

Jarvis bothers me a lot. I never liked the pick but even when I dont like a piececo, I still want it to work. I was hoping Jarvis could prove my eyes wrong. Here's what bugs me most about Jarvis now.

He seems to think he's doing a great job. He's the RG3 of LBs.

I don't know if it's coaches blowing smoke up his *** or if he still believes the SEC hype that he did well there so the NFL is easy, or if he just has a naturally huge ego. Whatever it is, I've never heard an interview with him where he doesn't think he's doing a good job. I don't see a guy playing like his job is at stake or a at least a guy who wants to do more than his minimum responsibility.
 
it's not like he jams it into a 300lb plus LT at all....ever.

And why do you need a flexible wrist to punch? I've seen many LBs play with a cast on their hand. Unless he has weakness in the wrist, losing some flexibility should be a minor hindrance to rushing the passer.
 
Jones, whether due to injury or a poor showing his first year is treading thin ice. It's just bad luck. He's GOT to do something this year. That's all there is to it. If he doesn't come out and clearly declare himself as a heads-above starter I'd say he'd a cap casualty without looking back. That's an easy call to make. I don't think twice about it. I don't even wonder what flavor the pop tart was.
 
And why do you need a flexible wrist to punch? I've seen many LBs play with a cast on their hand. Unless he has weakness in the wrist, losing some flexibility should be a minor hindrance to rushing the passer.

obviously never had a wrist injury, have you?
they're painful as ****. he needs his wrist to not only jam it into OLmen, but to also make tackles, go for strips, etc. otherwise, he's doing this one-handed.
 
Sooo, I stand by my thinking that we should have traded for Boykin before the draft and drafted Randy Gregory in rd 2. Jones is a bum

So, in other words, you're saying we should cry "uncle" and get rid of him?


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Not throwing in the towel just yet on Jones, especiallynot Dupree. But if Chickello has a better career, let this be a lesson to the front office. Draft football players! No projects and no more freak athletes. The curse of Kearse... everybody wants to find the next "Freak"

What lesson would that be?

To my understanding, didnt Chick have average measurable's and poor production?
 
And why do you need a flexible wrist to punch? I've seen many LBs play with a cast on their hand. Unless he has weakness in the wrist, losing some flexibility should be a minor hindrance to rushing the passer.

Unless it causes intense pain when he does it or effectively makes him a one armed tackler. A wrist is a very complicated joint and can cause lots of problems for a guy using his hands. I am not a Jarvis fan, did not like the pick, but if he is still suffering with issues with his wrist they could keep him from getting any better.
 
That's my point. Stop being impressed by measurable's. Find guys who play football, and have a motor to go with it. Chick had that. Poor production was because he was 'misused'. The Steelers recognized his motor, and that is why they took a chance on him.... they may have been right. Only time will tell, as with the others.
 
Funny thing about Jarvis' wrist injury. Didn't Worilds also have the same type of surgery on his wrist? Didn't it take him almost a full year to get the strength and around 90% of mobility back? Now, when Worilds' wrist got as good as it was going to get, didn't he pop of 8 sacks and didn't people start bitchin and moaning about how we were going to lose him?
 
They did want to trade Boykin, they just wanted a certain round pick and we were being stingy, as usual, and didn't want to give it up.



it takes two to tango. If they didn't want to trade him how can you force them?
 
Funny thing is Jarvis's SPARQ score and any other measurement you wanna use...stunk. If you look at metrics for OLB's his were not good. He had a lot of sacks at Georgia, but they were not impressive at all. He has never been an explosive athlete.


Not throwing in the towel just yet on Jones, especiallynot Dupree. But if Chickello has a better career, let this be a lesson to the front office. Draft football players! No projects and no more freak athletes. The curse of Kearse... everybody wants to find the next "Freak"
 
They did want to trade Boykin, they just wanted a certain round pick and we were being stingy, as usual, and didn't want to give it up.

so we were stingy, but still got the guy we wanted at a price we were willing to pay?
damned if you do and damned if you don't
 
so we were stingy, but still got the guy we wanted at a price we were willing to pay?
damned if you do and damned if you don't

When I go get gas, I insist to the store keeper that he raise the price by $1 /gallon or I will go somewhere else.
 
They did want to trade Boykin, they just wanted a certain round pick and we were being stingy, as usual, and didn't want to give it up.

I don't think I get your point? Did we pay more now than what they were wanting then? I thought we paid less.
 
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