I also believe at that point his age was a factor. There comes a point that no matter how good or bad a player was his age will move him out of the game. There is also the salary cap thing to consider as well. If a team does not see a major change in quality over their own they may not wish to eat dead money from what they have and sign another player that may only be a small upgrade over what they have. Max was a lot better than what we have now. He moved decent and blocked fairly well, a great example of a good play by Max was in the SB on the long run by FWP.
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I also believe at that point his age was a factor. There comes a point that no matter how good or bad a player was his age will move him out of the game. There is also the salary cap thing to consider as well. If a team does not see a major change in quality over their own they may not wish to eat dead money from what they have and sign another player that may only be a small upgrade over what they have. Max was a lot better than what we have now. He moved decent and blocked fairly well, a great example of a good play by Max was in the SB on the long run by FWP.
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This thread is a great example of a classic fan overreaction.
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Well here is some good news, bye bye JW:
Pittsburgh Steelers:
2/14: The Steelers plan on allowing Jason Worilds to test the open market, according to general manager Kevin Colbert.
2/11: The Steelers will not re-sign James Harrison for 2015 "unless there is another emergency." - Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
2/4: "With Dick LeBeau on board, Titans could look at LB Jason Worilds." - Paul Kuharsky, ESPN
1/28: The Eagles could target Jason Worilds in free agency, according to Jimmy Kempski, Philadelphia Inquirer. Worilds "would have signed with the Eagles" had it not been for the transition tag. - Adam Caplan
Pittsburgh Steelers:
2/14: The Steelers plan on allowing Jason Worilds to test the open market, according to general manager Kevin Colbert.
2/11: The Steelers will not re-sign James Harrison for 2015 "unless there is another emergency." - Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
2/4: "With Dick LeBeau on board, Titans could look at LB Jason Worilds." - Paul Kuharsky, ESPN
1/28: The Eagles could target Jason Worilds in free agency, according to Jimmy Kempski, Philadelphia Inquirer. Worilds "would have signed with the Eagles" had it not been for the transition tag. - Adam Caplan
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Now everyone can come down off their respective ledges and the FO can keep their jobs apparently lol.
Ya, I'd rather keep Worilds too but not for $11 million and not even for $6 million. $5 million per is my max for him. System or not, we could get 2 for the price of one and get better results.
why not sign harrison ?
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I think they will it is a matter if JH wants to play. I can see us signing him after all the workout dates are done so he don't have to be part of that. I think at this stage in his career he just wants to show up and play, and lets face it we need him more then he needs us.......
hes already still working out at the steelers facilities.. At least per his FB pictures.
[some local Pittsburgh FB people reporting that Deebo has already re-signed a 1 yr vet min deal, no confirmation from PZ or trib but he is working like a beast to get into likely his 08 frame for a final year, if he is starter he just needs 6 sacks to overtake Gildon as the franchise all time sack record, can't have a better LB then Harrison a diamond in the rough to be atop the the sack list, had Woodley stayed in shape he could of overtaken with the duration that was left on Woodley's deal but he become lazy and MT had enough of it.
So we have gildon atop at 77,2. Harrison at 2 71.5 3 Porter 60 4 Willis 59 5 Woodley 57
So we have gildon atop at 77,2. Harrison at 2 71.5 3 Porter 60 4 Willis 59 5 Woodley 57
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I think someone offers JW more than $7m/year. I'd bet the Steelers are want to offer $6m/year. Maybe a tad more. I'm concerned that his other offers may not be far enough away from what the Steelers are wanting to pay that they would be willing to bump up their offer.
I don't think I'd give up JW for Graham, if the money were even. Graham would have to come cheaper.
I don't think I'd give up JW for Graham, if the money were even. Graham would have to come cheaper.
Exactly. I don't think Worilds is bad, like Jarvis Jones bad, he's just not $11 million good. I'm just concerned that the Steelers will overpay him (again).
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If it were me, I'd consider part of the 2014 tag as part of his signing bonus. I know they can't do it that way, but if offering him, say, an $18 million guarantee, I'd consider he already got $4m
Would anyone be willing to take Woodley back if he was cheap? I read that he would be released by Oakland.
Pretty bad if Oakland cut him. Not sure I'd want one of their scabs. Which is worse, an undersized and younger Jarvis Jones or an older fat Woodley?
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Woodly, on he cheap, with motivational contract. JONES needs to get his @ss in gear, show us a reason we drafted him.....
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PS If this actually did happen, don't you think woodley would have something to prove to fellow team mates? One year deal, then by a yearly basis.
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Woodley was washed up when he left Pittsburgh. He would be even worse at this point.
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I used to be a big fan of Woodley, but he has been such a disappointment to me after his contract.
His body breaking down is probably at least 50% on him just not working hard enough to keep in shape. That's a shame.
I think a lot depends on how the final few years of him vs. Tomlin/Butler when down. Can Tomlin/Butler forgive the not working hard enough? Can Woodley admit to not working hard enough and be contrite? Are they all willing to "try again" at least for a pre-season?
Woodley is definitely headed towards minimum salary territory now and if he wants to continue his career he's going to have to come into camp in shape and work hard to make a roster spot - his salary and name recognition aren't going to do that anymore.
His body breaking down is probably at least 50% on him just not working hard enough to keep in shape. That's a shame.
I think a lot depends on how the final few years of him vs. Tomlin/Butler when down. Can Tomlin/Butler forgive the not working hard enough? Can Woodley admit to not working hard enough and be contrite? Are they all willing to "try again" at least for a pre-season?
Woodley is definitely headed towards minimum salary territory now and if he wants to continue his career he's going to have to come into camp in shape and work hard to make a roster spot - his salary and name recognition aren't going to do that anymore.
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No. Absolutely not
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if we are bringing back anyone that should be Harrison, he busted his *** last season to keep us competitive. I'd gladly give him one more year to rally the troops while the rookie (there has to be a high drafted rookie, unless we go All In on FA) learns on spot duties
No way to Woodley. He got fat and out of shape here and became injury prone. We cut him and it was more of the same. He didn't seem to care to get back in shape to cut down the injuries and play somewhat like he used to. He is done because he got the money and then got very lazy. Professional football is a year round commitment. He hasn't done that for several years. No need to even consider him unless for the vet minimum and if he passes a physical and fitness test.
The reason seems to be a near fatal case of dumbass
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I honestly could argue that starting a heatlhy Harrison at ROLB and Woodley at LOLB week 1 of the season would be more effective on a week-to-week basis than Tombert's heir apparents of Jones and Worilds.
Not saying the old guys would last a whole season or 16 games + playoffs, but for game-to-game?
That's a pretty sad indictment on our scouting/coaching/development.
Not saying the old guys would last a whole season or 16 games + playoffs, but for game-to-game?
That's a pretty sad indictment on our scouting/coaching/development.
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As much **** as Worilds takes, I would be very confident in saying he is easily superior to Woodley at this stage of their careers. Which isn't saying much I know, but to say Woodley would be better than Worilds right now is a pretty large stretch. Wooldley is broken down and a shadow of his former self.