Joey Porter, Jr. vs. Marvin Harrison 2022

[Steeltime]

Found nice YouTube video of Joey Porter Jr. matched up against Marvin Harrison last year. A lot of people believe Harrison is the best WR in college football, and likely a top-10 pick next year. The clip shows JPJ only when lined up against Harrison.

Got beat on a deep crosser one time but QB did not see Harrison open. For the criticism of JPJ being "too grabby," these clips show that not to be the case. JPJ does a very good job when he is bump-and-run, man coverage. Does not grab at all. Excellent trail technique several times, where he blankets Harrison.

One bad missed tackle that allows a TD.

 

[slashsteel]

Harrison is a good matchup comparison. I think he will be a top ten pick when he is drafted. One thing that is nice is he has those long arms. That if beaten his speed could allow him to recover and his arms can swat some last minute throws away.

I definitely feel more comfy with where he was drafted as I think his floor is a type two corner.

 

[Steeltime]

And here is every defensive snap vs. Purdue 2022, featuring WR Charlie Jones. JPJ had at least six passes defensed but muffed an interception. Also needs to clean up his tackling but he is a willing participant in stopping the running game.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Found nice YouTube video of Joey Porter Jr. matched up against Marvin Harrison last year. A lot of people believe Harrison is the best WR in college football, and likely a top-10 pick next year. The clip shows JPJ only when lined up against Harrison.

Got beat on a deep crosser one time but QB did not see Harrison open. For the criticism of JPJ being "too grabby," these clips show that not to be the case. JPJ does a very good job when he is bump-and-run, man coverage. Does not grab at all. Excellent trail technique several times, where he blankets Harrison.

One bad missed tackle that allows a TD.

Nice find Steeltime !!!

I’m liking Jr. more and more and as slash said, the 2.1 position of pick is way better than the 1.17.

I’m thinking he will develope as he grows with experience. Could easily be day 1 starter On this team.


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[tapeANaspirin2it]

Porter got the rep of being "grabby" from 2021 where he had a lot of PI and holding calls. He was grabby in 21 but the refs were also picking on him a bit. He had far fewer calls in 22.

Another part of it is that his arms are so long that his hands are almost always in contact.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Porter got the rep of being "grabby" from 2021 where he had a lot of PI and holding calls. He was grabby in 21 but the refs were also picking on him a bit. He had far fewer calls in 22.

Another part of it is that his arms are so long that his hands are almost always in contact.

His lack of agility is why he grabs a bit out of necessity and that stuff gets called tightly in the NFL.

It's a legitimate concern, which is why he was still there at 32, but he appears to have enough overall talent to overcome it, especially if the Steelers scheme is as good a fit for him as many claim.

Tomlin's track record with drafting and developing CBs has not been great, but Porter is his opportunity to shine, I suppose.

 

[slashsteel]

His lack of agility is why he grabs a bit out of necessity and that stuff gets called tightly in the NFL.

It's a legitimate concern, which is why he was still there at 32, but he appears to have enough overall talent to overcome it, especially if the Steelers scheme is as good a fit for him as many claim.

Tomlin's track record with drafting and developing CBs has not been great, but Porter is his opportunity to shine, I suppose.

Every once and awhile we hear this... I have things I blame Tomlin for but cornerback development isn't one of them. It isn't like the Steelers often threw out first rounders at the position. Sutton developed, Golson couldn't get over injuries so I don't blame them for that. I think Burns brings this notion but he was simply a knee jerk reaction to not getting who they wanted. A classic example of what reaching does.

Anywho I just don't buy the they can't develop corners theory.

 

[TDX27]

Every once and awhile we hear this... I have things I blame Tomlin for but cornerback development isn't one of them. It isn't like the Steelers often threw out first rounders at the position. Sutton developed, Golson couldn't get over injuries so I don't blame them for that. I think Burns brings this notion but he was simply a knee jerk reaction to not getting who they wanted. A classic example of what reaching does.

Anywho I just don't buy the they can't develop corners theory.

Definitely on Burns. He was a big reach. The Steelers took him in the 1st when I don't think anyone had him going any higher than the 2nd or even 3rd round.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Every once and awhile we hear this... I have things I blame Tomlin for but cornerback development isn't one of them. It isn't like the Steelers often threw out first rounders at the position. Sutton developed, Golson couldn't get over injuries so I don't blame them for that. I think Burns brings this notion but he was simply a knee jerk reaction to not getting who they wanted. A classic example of what reaching does.

Anywho I just don't buy the they can't develop corners theory.

There was Cortez Allen as well. He was a mid round pick that showed enough promise early for the Steelers to give him a decent second contract and he completely bombed (or got bombed) from there.

Burns actually had an OK rookie year, but regressed from there.

Sutton is a decent player, but has a lot of limitations. He and Willie Gay were kind of similar in that they were far better playing inside than outside, though they could do both.

Honestly, no offense to Sutton and Gay, but if those are the best CBs you've drafted and developed over a 15+ year period, you're doing something wrong.

Whether it be bad coaching, not emphasizing the position enough early in the draft, or missing on a **** ton of mid to late round picks, it does not reflect well on a coach who established himself in the league as a secondary coach.

 

[Skott]

This is where having Peterson and Minkah become such huge assets to help coach JPJ along.

 

[slashsteel]

This is where having Peterson and Minkah become such huge assets to help coach JPJ along.

I think Levi is sound and could give him some pointers too.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Definitely on Burns. He was a big reach. The Steelers took him in the 1st when I don't think anyone had him going any higher than the 2nd or even 3rd round.

You could say the same about Jarvis Jones and Terrell Edmunds.

Most teams took their first round grade off of Jones entirely after he ran that one hour 40yd dash at about 230lbs, but not the Steelers.

They passed on some good corners that year too between Desmond Trufant, Xavier Rhodes and Darius Slay, but they had just paid Cortez Allen, so they were already set there..... obviously.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Every once and awhile we hear this... I have things I blame Tomlin for but cornerback development isn't one of them. It isn't like the Steelers often threw out first rounders at the position. Sutton developed, Golson couldn't get over injuries so I don't blame them for that. I think Burns brings this notion but he was simply a knee jerk reaction to not getting who they wanted. A classic example of what reaching does.

Anywho I just don't buy the they can't develop corners theory.

ALSO

I thinks the war-room. Is better equipped for NOT reaching, these days. I know this is only their first draft, as a war-room group, but I also feel we have better scouting / WIEDL / Kahn.


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[slashsteel]

ALSO

I thinks the war-room. Is better equipped for NOT reaching, these days. I know this is only their first draft, as a war-room group, but I also feel we have better scouting / WIEDL / Kahn.


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My opinion but I thought Colbert lost the fire and just got too comfy in his shoes. It was definitely time for a change. Andy and Omar bring the competitive fire in their approach. I also think they are using analytics more. But still obviously bringing the game tape approach mixed in with their like for the power 5, scheme fit, production,etc. Easy while we are mocking to not glue in on scheme fit, I think the powers that be do well in this area. The pursuit of finding these players that are football hungry. That love to play and want to win.

I think Andy and Omar are aggressively hungry. It showed in free agency and showed in the draft.

Which does nothing but help the team grow while being more competitive which ultimately should spill out onto the field.

 

[Drink IRON City]

My opinion but I thought Colbert lost the fire and just got too comfy in his shoes. It was definitely time for a change Andy and Omar bring the competitive fire in their approach. I also think they are using analytics more. But still obviously bringing the game tape approach mixed in with their like for the power 5, scheme fit, production,etc. Easy while we are mocking to not glue in on scheme fit, I think the powers that be do well in this area. The pursuit of finding these players that are football hungry. That love to play and want to win.

I think Andy and Omar are aggressively hungry. It showed in free agency and showed in the draft.

Which does nothing but help the team grow while being more competitive which ultimately should spill out onto the field.

Definitely can see the hunger in both front office and the players they are targeting.

Always a good combination.

We need a little more change along the coaching ranks such as OC, and soon DC. Bring in the hunger games….


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[Steelmann]

There was Cortez Allen as well. He was a mid round pick that showed enough promise early for the Steelers to give him a decent second contract and he completely bombed (or got bombed) from there.

Burns actually had an OK rookie year, but regressed from there.

Sutton is a decent player, but has a lot of limitations. He and Willie Gay were kind of similar in that they were far better playing inside than outside, though they could do both.

Honestly, no offense to Sutton and Gay, but if those are the best CBs you've drafted and developed over a 15+ year period, you're doing something wrong.

Whether it be bad coaching, not emphasizing the position enough early in the draft, or missing on a **** ton of mid to late round picks, it does not reflect well on a coach who established himself in the league as a secondary coach.

Justin Layne was a 3rd round draft choice that many people (including me) thought was a steal. 6’2” 195 lbs and ran well. Still only 25. I definitely had lots of expectations,another CB that disappeared after being drafted by the Steelers.

 

[SteelerFan448]

My opinion but I thought Colbert lost the fire and just got too comfy in his shoes. It was definitely time for a change. Andy and Omar bring the competitive fire in their approach. I also think they are using analytics more. But still obviously bringing the game tape approach mixed in with their like for the power 5, scheme fit, production,etc. Easy while we are mocking to not glue in on scheme fit, I think the powers that be do well in this area. The pursuit of finding these players that are football hungry. That love to play and want to win.

I think Andy and Omar are aggressively hungry. It showed in free agency and showed in the draft.

Which does nothing but help the team grow while being more competitive which ultimately should spill out onto the field.

Colbert was an interesting case over the back half of his career. His hits were excellent players (Heyward, DeCastro, Shazier, Watt, Fitzpatrick (trade)) with the jury still out on Harris and Pickett, but both could be good. His misses were clear reaches and picks that had this board in full meltdown mode (Jones, Burns, Edmunds) and I think Bush was about a 50-50 split. I don't remember the poster, but there was a Michigan fan who was very low on Bush and didn't think he'd be a good NFL player. Great call!

Where Colbert really lost his edge was on Day 3. He rarely drafted players with upside and never took a chance on falling talent. There'd be a consensus top-100 player on the board and Colbert would take some unathletic linebacker, offensive lineman, or defensive lineman rated in the 300s in the 5th round. Khan and Weidl took a falling Washington, Herbig, and Trice. Those are three guys Colbert probably doesn't take. I understand sticking to the board in the first couple of rounds, but as talent falls, forget about need, find talent. They did that this year. Whether they develop, we'll see, but you can't say the front office didn't try to build the best roster through this draft.

 

[MTC]

Definitely can see the hunger in both front office and the players they are targeting.

Always a good combination.

We need a little more change along the coaching ranks such as OC, and soon DC. Bring in the hunger games….


Salute the nation

 

[slashsteel]

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Hit hit hit. Something about her that I always liked. Not the bombshell that most would jump through hoops for. But I like me some Jennifer.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Colbert was an interesting case over the back half of his career. His hits were excellent players (Heyward, DeCastro, Shazier, Watt, Fitzpatrick (trade)) with the jury still out on Harris and Pickett, but both could be good. His misses were clear reaches and picks that had this board in full meltdown mode (Jones, Burns, Edmunds) and I think Bush was about a 50-50 split. I don't remember the poster, but there was a Michigan fan who was very low on Bush and didn't think he'd be a good NFL player. Great call!

Where Colbert really lost his edge was on Day 3. He rarely drafted players with upside and never took a chance on falling talent. There'd be a consensus top-100 player on the board and Colbert would take some unathletic linebacker, offensive lineman, or defensive lineman rated in the 300s in the 5th round. Khan and Weidl took a falling Washington, Herbig, and Trice. Those are three guys Colbert probably doesn't take. I understand sticking to the board in the first couple of rounds, but as talent falls, forget about need, find talent. They did that this year. Whether they develop, we'll see, but you can't say the front office didn't try to build the best roster through this draft.

Colbert seemed to draft for special teams and for depth in the late rounds. When you get to round 6 and 7 all that's left on the board is potential starters with injury (or off field) risk, special teamers, and guys who have bad measurables.

I hate drafting the special teams and the bad athletes. Sure, guys like that are needed to fill out depth but you can get guys like that off the waiver wire. Don't draft a guy to run down and cover kicks. Take a shot on an athlete.

 

[MTC]

Hit hit hit. Something about her that I always liked. Not the bombshell that most would jump through hoops for. But I like me some Jennifer.

She’s hot.
She looks like the type who’d back you up in a bar fight

 

[Litos]

Justin Layne was a 3rd round draft choice that many people (including me) thought was a steal. 6’2” 195 lbs and ran well. Still only 25. I definitely had lots of expectations,another CB that disappeared after being drafted by the Steelers.

He was a conversion project from WR right? Very very raw

 

[steel dino]

His lack of agility is why he grabs a bit out of necessity and that stuff gets called tightly in the NFL.

It's a legitimate concern, which is why he was still there at 32, but he appears to have enough overall talent to overcome it, especially if the Steelers scheme is as good a fit for him as many claim.

Tomlin's track record with drafting and developing CBs has not been great, but Porter is his opportunity to shine, I suppose.

That certainly was not a ringing endorsement Punx.....I suppose

 

[TDX27]

We definitely have reached for some of our 1st round picks (and others) and that makes the odds even worse for them being a bust when you consider only about a third of 1st round picks get a 2nd contract from the team that drafted them.

 

[steelreeling]

Found nice YouTube video of Joey Porter Jr. matched up against Marvin Harrison last year. A lot of people believe Harrison is the best WR in college football, and likely a top-10 pick next year. The clip shows JPJ only when lined up against Harrison.

Got beat on a deep crosser one time but QB did not see Harrison open. For the criticism of JPJ being "too grabby," these clips show that not to be the case. JPJ does a very good job when he is bump-and-run, man coverage. Does not grab at all. Excellent trail technique several times, where he blankets Harrison.

One bad missed tackle that allows a TD.

First f*cking play of that video - YEEEAH he's a little too f*ckin grabby.

PS i love JPJ and think he could start in the slot CB role this year.