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Johnson 15 targets, Ju-ju 14 targets, Claypool just 1

It wasn't Claypool running that last crossing route. It was Johnson, and he was wide open...again. Ben forced it to JuJu on that play. Claypool wasn't even on the field; for some reason, they put Washington out there for the most important snap of the game after he was on the sidelines most of the day.

I thought it was Johnson, just wasn't sure because I thought he was out.
While I don't want to *****, it's possible Ben made a choice not to go to the wide open guy who only catches 58% of the balls thrown to him.
 
Just rewatched the game. Claypool actually had 3 targets. We got a DPI on one and an OPI on the late one.

The Titans did nothing different on D. They could not stop the short possession game, and looked terrible trying to defend it. The only difference in the 2nd half, is Ben stopped taking the sure option and started going deep when he didn't have to. 2nd INT was a tip at the LOS. 2nd INT, Ben had a good read with JuJu open behind a LB in trail position, his only problem was he threw it low. A higher ball would have been an easy TD for JuJu on a LB in the back of the EZ. Still that play was 3rd and 2, and the short option was open.

The Steelers were lucky to win this game for one reason only. They were -3 in Turnovers. That's not on coaching, that's on Ben. He needs to take what he can get and stick with it all game, because this game should not have been close at all with their TOP.
 
As long as we're bitching, I would prefer that DJ lateral most of his catches to Claypool or Ju Ju. If a WR rushes for a TD in my league, that's double points.
 
Just rewatched the game. Claypool actually had 3 targets. We got a DPI on one and an OPI on the late one.

The Titans did nothing different on D. They could not stop the short possession game, and looked terrible trying to defend it. The only difference in the 2nd half, is Ben stopped taking the sure option and started going deep when he didn't have to. 2nd INT was a tip at the LOS. 2nd INT, Ben had a good read with JuJu open behind a LB in trail position, his only problem was he threw it low. A higher ball would have been an easy TD for JuJu on a LB in the back of the EZ. Still that play was 3rd and 2, and the short option was open.

The Steelers were lucky to win this game for one reason only. They were -3 in Turnovers. That's not on coaching, that's on Ben. He needs to take what he can get and stick with it all game, because this game should not have been close at all with their TOP.

some brilliant poster pointed this out on page one of this thread
 
Thanks Cope.

I did feel pretty strongly that Ben was forcing some stuff he hadn't been forcing earlier this season. Perhaps he was getting frustrated with just dink & dunking along and wanted to get those kill-shots in. Weird as it is, I actually like it when he goes aggressive now and then, so I can't really feel to badly about it. I suppose "situationally" I would prefer that he take the short easy stuff that's wide open and available.

And for the record, I am done complaining about D.J. At this point I just want him to be wildly successful as will all our guys. This is the first time I can remember in my Steeler fandom (going on 45 or so years now) that I have really loved every single one of our wideouts. I mean I think they're ALL really special.

Love me some JuJu. I know what he's capable of. He may not look like a superstar every week, but that's just it. He IS! He's just doing the dirty work right now and not bitching about it.
I have always loved Washington. Drove me crazy that first year or so when he was doinking on some plays he should have made, but I feel like he's just sneaky good.
I get that Johnson is like an Antwaan Randle El on speed. I dig that. He's got some great moves, and clearly he can get open like nobody's business.
I'm feeling really good about Claypool. Apart from Bryant, I have never seen a WR rookie look so "ready" as Claypool. And to tell the truth, Claypool looks better than Bryant did. Presumably without the addiction problems.
Ebron has the body you want to see in a TE and he's been getting better every week.
I've always had a place in my heart for Vance. Ever since he had the "I'll just ******* truck you" season where he ran over 5 or 6 guys on a play seemingly every other week.

Just an amazing group and while none of them are what I would call bonafide super-stars, (Ok, I kinda called JuJu a superstar, but you know what I mean) they are ALL really good and there isn't really a drop-off with any one of them.
 
Imagine being a DC trying to plan for this passing game.

"Ok, Claypool is clearly their big-play guy and he's too good not to bracket."

"Ok, so we want to double him and zone the rest?"

"No, we can't do that. Johnson's too quick to try to zone. And Ben's too good to hope the two of them won't find holes in the zone and pick it apart."

"So... you want to double Claypool and play man?"

"Jesus No! We can shut down that maple guy if we had too, but we don't have the personnel to man cover all of them."

"Ya, I suppose. Any one of their receivers is a tough match for a safety, let alone linebackers."

"We can't just go nickel or dime all game because they'll just run the ******* ball all day."

"So sub-package, hide coverage and blitz the **** out of Roethlisberger?"

"We could do that, but Conner can catch too. As can Samuels. ****!"

"So, what's the plan here?"

"Ask the OC to score a ****-ton of points."
 
Just rewatched the game. Claypool actually had 3 targets. We got a DPI on one and an OPI on the late one.

The Titans did nothing different on D. They could not stop the short possession game, and looked terrible trying to defend it. The only difference in the 2nd half, is Ben stopped taking the sure option and started going deep when he didn't have to. 2nd INT was a tip at the LOS. 2nd INT, Ben had a good read with JuJu open behind a LB in trail position, his only problem was he threw it low. A higher ball would have been an easy TD for JuJu on a LB in the back of the EZ. Still that play was 3rd and 2, and the short option was open.

The Steelers were lucky to win this game for one reason only. They were -3 in Turnovers. That's not on coaching, that's on Ben. He needs to take what he can get and stick with it all game, because this game should not have been close at all with their TOP.

That right there is it. If you force the ball to one guy based on targets you will also force turnovers. Ben started forcing throws instead of taking what they gave and we damn near almost lost this game. Granted, 2 of his INTs were tipped balls. It is rare to see so many tipped balls go one team's way. We got the early fumble recovery from Conner but besides that the ball went TN's way until it went wide right.
 
I thought it was Johnson, just wasn't sure because I thought he was out.
While I don't want to *****, it's possible Ben made a choice not to go to the wide open guy who only catches 58% of the balls thrown to him.

Actually it looked to me like Ben was locked on to JuJu almost immediately. I guess he was thinking that Smith-Schuster could get separation from the linebacker, but as Cope mentioned, the ball was thrown too flat, and also a little too far to the inside.

I think Ben has shown all the confidence in the world in Johnson, no matter what DJ's catch percentage is. However, that had nothing to do with what happened on this particular play.
 
2nd INT, Ben had a good read with JuJu open behind a LB in trail position, his only problem was he threw it low. A higher ball would have been an easy TD for JuJu on a LB in the back of the EZ. Still that play was 3rd and 2, and the short option was open.

It was not 3rd-and-2, it was 3rd-and-12 from just inside the 20. They needed the 7-yard line for a first down (and DJ may have very well gotten there as the defensive flow was in the opposite direction). I don't believe Ebron was as wide open as everyone is claiming, either; Tennessee had a linebacker waiting for him at the 10. But Ben didn't even look anywhere else after JuJu.
 
Imagine being a DC trying to plan for this passing game.

"Ok, Claypool is clearly their big-play guy and he's too good not to bracket."

"Ok, so we want to double him and zone the rest?"

"No, we can't do that. Johnson's too quick to try to zone. And Ben's too good to hope the two of them won't find holes in the zone and pick it apart."

"So... you want to double Claypool and play man?"

"Jesus No! We can shut down that maple guy if we had too, but we don't have the personnel to man cover all of them."

"Ya, I suppose. Any one of their receivers is a tough match for a safety, let alone linebackers."

"We can't just go nickel or dime all game because they'll just run the ******* ball all day."

"So sub-package, hide coverage and blitz the **** out of Roethlisberger?"

"We could do that, but Conner can catch too. As can Samuels. ****!"

"So, what's the plan here?"

"Ask the OC to score a ****-ton of points."

Against the #1 Defense against the run and pass in the NFL.
 
I can get on board with most of this. Our problem in this game was clock management. We should have run it more to kill clock in the second half, wait for the Titans to commit to stop it than take deeper shots. But we got too predictable as to the targeting two WR’s and Ben threw two more picks. End result the Titans missed forcing overtime with a missed field goal. A 20 point lead was almost blown.

Not great coaching. But we won so it won’t be a topic. I hope Tomlin learned something.


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You can't help yourself, can you? Yeah, coaching caused tip passes, coaching caused Ben to laser one to JuJu with 4 covering him. Yep it's all Tomlin's fault for that. Ben has full reign on the offense, has input on game planning, has the complete authority to check out of the pass or run play. He's a 17 vet, he's seen enough defenses to figure it out. But it's all the "not great coaching" that has the team as the only 6-0 team in the league.

So we won and it won't be on topic.....that is until we lose a game (and we will), which at that point you will be the first to post....it's all the poor coaching.

You want so badly to take credit for drafting Claypool....LOL, but you didn't so you are going to roughshod the audience.

Stick with your punter. He's safer for you.
 
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6-0 you old miserable prick,of which I don't remember you with the CAH. Diamond Dave, Super Dave, Tunacurve, Tres Rio's, Coryea, BnG Bleeder, Balls, etc days. You're an imposter from way back.
I always thought CAH was a girl. I think that person died, IIRC.
 
You can't help yourself, can you? Yeah, coaching caused tip passes, coaching caused Ben to laser one to JuJu with 4 covering him. Yep it's all Tomlin's fault for that. Ben has full reign on the offense, has input on game planning, has the complete authority to check out of the pass or run play. He's a 17 vet, he's seen enough defenses to figure it out. But it's all the "not great coaching" that has the team as the only 6-0 team in the league.

So we won and it won't be on topic.....that is until we lose a game (and we will), which at that point you will be the first to post....it's all the poor coaching.

You want so badly to take credit for drafting Claypool....LOL, but you didn't so you are going to roughshod the audience.

Stick with your punter. He's safer for you.

When you have a big lead moron, you run the ball more often as an incomplete pass stops the clock, and by passing you risk a turnover more than running the ball. How long have you been watching football? We were a missed FG away from overtime, despite a 20 point lead at half time. Got it? Bad clock management is hallmark of this coaching staff.

This was almost the case of the Falcons blowing 27-3 lead to New England, because the passed it too much.

Yes I liked Claypool during the draft process, and said he had first round tools. He can ball. Your point is?
 
When you have a big lead moron, you run the ball more often as an incomplete pass stops the clock, and by passing you risk a turnover more than running the ball. How long have you been watching football? We were a missed FG away from overtime, despite a 20 point lead at half time. Got it? Bad clock management is hallmark of this coaching staff.

This was almost the case of the Falcons blowing 27-3 lead to New England, because the passed it too much.

More like Seattle blowing a 10pt lead to ARI with 2min left...

The Steelers did run in the 2nd half, it just wasn't netting positive results. They committed to stopping the run after the half, so the Steelers went back to the quick pass. It worked great, and they had no answer to it. 2 tipped balls with fortuitous bounces is the only reason why this game was even close.

Also you don't suck at clock management with drives over 9min, 7min AND 7min. You want to get into coaching errors, it wasn't clock management. It was not playing for a FG at the end of the half, and the final 7min drive would have ended in a FG that would have iced the game. That is game management.
 
When you have a big lead moron, you run the ball more often as an incomplete pass stops the clock, and by passing you risk a turnover more than running the ball. How long have you been watching football? We were a missed FG away from overtime, despite a 20 point lead at half time. Got it? Bad clock management is hallmark of this coaching staff.

This was almost the case of the Falcons blowing 27-3 lead to New England, because the passed it too much.

Yes I liked Claypool during the draft process, and said he had first round tools. He can ball. Your point is?

Cope explained it well enough above, Dumb ***. And do the research, fumbles occur just as much as INTs, do in parity with the league. In fact fumbles have a greater chance because they can occur on both types of plays (rush/pass). INT's for TD's occur more than Fumble returns for TD. the problem is, the pick was a Ben decision, not a coaching decision. He knows he has authority to take chances, He made a poor decision, got greedy instead of taking what the D were giving him. Had he thrown it to a wide open DJ, that's a first down. Ebron was wide open as well and would have been 1st and goal (if he had caught it), but Ben went for the throat to close out the game with one pass. Even worse, he telegraphed his pass to Juju at the snap.

Comparing the ATL/NE SB to this game? Nope.....nothing like it. There were drives sustained from rushes and primarily short passes. Sprinkled in with some mid throws down the sidelines and center of the field. Shanahan, suffered paralysis by analysis. Something that would never happen to you, as you couldn't analyze a power formation from a spread.

You've shown the point....constantly. You love to keep pissing post wars going because its your fellatio and doesn't cost you anything. Being a freeloader is your mindset, just like your attempts to make yourself look clairvoyant with the Claypool pick. I'd chance you never heard of him until you saw his write up in your Walter Football mag.
 
When you have a big lead moron, you run the ball more often as an incomplete pass stops the clock, and by passing you risk a turnover more than running the ball. How long have you been watching football? We were a missed FG away from overtime, despite a 20 point lead at half time. Got it? Bad clock management is hallmark of this coaching staff.

This was almost the case of the Falcons blowing 27-3 lead to New England, because the passed it too much.

Yes I liked Claypool during the draft process, and said he had first round tools. He can ball. Your point is?

the first part of your first sentence is a big reason why you catch **** here. Stick to football discussion, not that you are any better at that
 
When you have a big lead..., you run the ball more often as an incomplete pass stops the clock,

In fairness, you are simply having your cake and eating it. HAD they run the ball more, you would have complained about how ****** a back Conner is. I personally agree with eating clock and getting out of the game with an extra FG attempt or two. But of course, I LIKE Conner. You, on the other hand think he's hot garbage and if he HAD run 4 or 5 more times, you would have complained about how he didn't make more yards, despite the fact that the Titan's defense would be selling out to stop that run.

So, I'm happy that you get to have your cake and eat it. The rest of us sometimes have to make choices.
 
I might also point out that Tomlin is big on "in-game consequences." Claypool fumbled and he easily could have lost the ball to the Titans. Tomlin tends to sit you in these situations. Since the receiver corps doesn't allow you to just "sit" a guy, it's possible Randy was told to dial back calling Claypool's number until they felt he had his head more fully in the game.
 
Cope explained it well enough above, Dumb ***. And do the research, fumbles occur just as much as INTs, do in parity with the league. In fact fumbles have a greater chance because they can occur on both types of plays (rush/pass). INT's for TD's occur more than Fumble returns for TD. the problem is, the pick was a Ben decision, not a coaching decision. He knows he has authority to take chances, He made a poor decision, got greedy instead of taking what the D were giving him. Had he thrown it to a wide open DJ, that's a first down. Ebron was wide open as well and would have been 1st and goal (if he had caught it), but Ben went for the throat to close out the game with one pass. Even worse, he telegraphed his pass to Juju at the snap.

Comparing the ATL/NE SB to this game? Nope.....nothing like it. There were drives sustained from rushes and primarily short passes. Sprinkled in with some mid throws down the sidelines and center of the field. Shanahan, suffered paralysis by analysis. Something that would never happen to you, as you couldn't analyze a power formation from a spread.

You've shown the point....constantly. You love to keep pissing post wars going because its your fellatio and doesn't cost you anything. Being a freeloader is your mindset, just like your attempts to make yourself look clairvoyant with the Claypool pick. I'd chance you never heard of him until you saw his write up in your Walter Football mag.

Cope used a different example. A 10 point lead. We had a 20 point lead! When you have a 20 point lead at half time, you run the ball more , Throw safe passes and keep the football in inbounds, Dumb ***. The Steelers did not do this enough and let Ben throw it around a bit too much, and it almost cost us over time. If the Titan's kicker forced overtime and the Steeler lost, I guarantee your pea-brained self there would be lots of talk on what I am saying.


Trying to spin-off tangent one Claypool won't help your stupidity. I saw Claypool play long before he was drafted. I liked him. He was my call when the Steelers were on the clock.


If you don't like my posts and don't want to be exposed as a fool, simply skip my posts. As I said to another hater, you're welcome to pay for " freeloaders" , but at the cost of getting upset, I suggest the ignore button for you. Please take my advice. You add next to nothing here.
 
In fairness, you are simply having your cake and eating it. HAD they run the ball more, you would have complained about how ****** a back Conner is. I personally agree with eating clock and getting out of the game with an extra FG attempt or two. But of course, I LIKE Conner. You, on the other hand think he's hot garbage and if he HAD run 4 or 5 more times, you would have complained about how he didn't make more yards, despite the fact that the Titan's defense would be selling out to stop that run.

So, I'm happy that you get to have your cake and eat it. The rest of us sometimes have to make choices.

You get it. Conner is playing well for now, can he avoid injures and limit fumbles is the question. He has a history of wearing down. We might agree there too.

Like I said, short safe passes, more runs, staying in bounds would have eaten up the clock.
 
Cope used a different example. A 10 point lead. We had a 20 point lead! When you have a 20 point lead at half time, you run the ball more , Throw safe passes and keep the football in inbounds, Dumb ***. The Steelers did not do this enough and let Ben throw it around a bit too much, and it almost cost us over time. If the Titan's kicker forced overtime and the Steeler lost, I guarantee your pea-brained self there would be lots of talk on what I am saying.


Trying to spin-off tangent one Claypool won't help your stupidity. I saw Claypool play long before he was drafted. I liked him. He was my call when the Steelers were on the clock.


If you don't like my posts and don't want to be exposed as a fool, simply skip my posts. As I said to another hater, you're welcome to pay for " freeloaders" , but at the cost of getting upset, I suggest the ignore button for you. Please take my advice. You add next to nothing here.

pot meet kettle
 
Cope used a different example. A 10 point lead. We had a 20 point lead! When you have a 20 point lead at half time, you run the ball more , Throw safe passes and keep the football in inbounds, Dumb ***. The Steelers did not do this enough and let Ben throw it around a bit too much, and it almost cost us over time. If the Titan's kicker forced overtime and the Steeler lost, I guarantee your pea-brained self there would be lots of talk on what I am saying.


Trying to spin-off tangent one Claypool won't help your stupidity. I saw Claypool play long before he was drafted. I liked him. He was my call when the Steelers were on the clock.


If you don't like my posts and don't want to be exposed as a fool, simply skip my posts. As I said to another hater, you're welcome to pay for " freeloaders" , but at the cost of getting upset, I suggest the ignore button for you. Please take my advice. You add next to nothing here.

I call bullshit. You can’t even do math correctly, much less know how to pay for something on your own dime. The halftime lead was 17 and Tenn was getting the ball. How you equate to a 20 point lead is how you got an education.

So NOW you are saying run the ball AND throw safe passes. Back pedaling from your previous post about passing in general at all. I said they were running the ball and throwing quick high percentage passes, while hitting some intermediate throws. Ben got greedy and gave them a chance. Now you want to say the same thing and call me your moniker?

And pointing out your Claypool imaginary “I made the call!” statement, and you saw Chase “play long before he was drafted” is such a fabrication on your part. The epitome of BullShit. You probably never even knew who he was before leafing through your Walter mag.

Sorry, I am a contributor. I can do what I want to your pathetic attention seeking posts and threads as long as I follow the rules and don’t cross the Mods. You wouldn’t know that, since being a freeloader, and you’ve probably leeched all your life. I would also say, I offer significantly more than you. Because I post less with more input than you could ever find plagiarizing someone else. Dumb ***.


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I saw Claypool play long before he was drafted. I liked him. He was my call when the Steelers were on the clock.

i don't understand how that became a bragging right.

if you're not in the draft room, how does this mean anything?
 
Why would anyone wealthy enough to drive a luxury car not donate to this website, especially one who posts so much here? I dont get it.
 
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