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Justin Fields last 17 games

He went 4-2 under Tomlin. Russ went 6-6. Fields will be qb next year. No special qb coach will be here. It's tomlinball next year. Same as it ever was.
You can't compare Fields 4-2 vs Russ's 6-6. Everyone knew going into the season the back half of the steelers schedule was brutal. Russ played much better teams down the stretch and i don't think Fields wins a shootout with the Bengals. I wouldn't mind keeping fields, but i don't think he will have a drastic turn around especially on this team.
 
I’m thinking they sign Justin Fields. He has indicated he wants to play here in Pittsburgh so I’d think that deal can get done easily.

As for the “Russ”, only way I sign him is if Justin can’t be signed and ONLY if very cut / contract friendly. Russ is not the future as his age indicates that clearly. Vet / bridge at best and we DRAFT high next season for QB, trade up if need.

It will not surprise me one bit if Coach Tom Lin gets another extension. I’ve listened to two “one-on-one” interviews of Art 2 and his demeanor / very HIGH praise / side-step of the real issues, indicate Mike has a lifetime job.


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Get him a good full time QB coach.

Won't happen... so in lieu of that... I PAY Ben to sit with JF 4 hrs every day of training camp and go over every piece of film where the kid threw a pass, even his Bears days if I can get it, ESPECIALLY any where he threw a pick.
I like where you’re headed with the idea of investing in actually coaching the young man.

I’d actually reach out to a guy like Randall Cunningham and see what his interest level
is in the job. Maybe be could revitalize Justin’s career like he did his own? Similar skill sets in their prime too.

Ben relied on pure guts, size, strength and plays becoming broken…not sure his skill set can really be taught or if he would be a great teacher of the things JF should be taught.
 
Are you kidding? There is a plethora of film from his first three seasons in the league that can be relied upon to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he has trouble reading defenses.
His first three seasons…indeed
A young QB with a different OC every year in a franchise that RUINS QBs

He was showing improvement here week to week and when allowed to throw over the middle hit the receiver in stride with RAC ability.

No way do I give him complex reads to start, but do like they did with Ben early and give half field reads and if the progression doesn’t break a receiver open send the guy on the other side deep. At that point Fields scrambles to break down the play with a run option or hit deep route breaking back to him wide open for a first.

Just have to work to his skill set.

It’s not like Russ was doing very well with reads either. He was just afforded the chance to run a slightly more open playbook and he took advantage of GP making him look good with the occasional moon ball.
 
Kordell Stewart had troubles reading the field as well. His OC at the time designed plays that Kordell ONLY had to read a 1/3 of the field, left 1/3, middle 1/3, right 1/3. It worked out well for a couple years. Maybe our Offense should look at something of this nature.

Add in the run game and it did keep Defenses guessing. That’s the # 1 problem with our current Offense is there is no guessing by the defense,. They have pretty much an above 60% guess success, but I would say more like 65+% success rate.


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I'm pretty sure that is what Tomlin did...except that middle 1/3, he removed it.
 
It’s not like Russ was doing very well with reads either. He was just afforded the chance to run a slightly more open playbook and he took advantage of GP making him look good with the occasional moon ball.

The people that want to bring Russ back, this is what I can't figure out from what they saw from him. He dumped it off short, or went for the HR ball. It wasn't good football, and a lot of those moonballs he threw that WEREN'T to Pickens should never have been thrown. It seemed like every 3rd and short we came out in shotgun and he launched it 40 yards downfield.
 
I like where you’re headed with the idea of investing in actually coaching the young man.

I’d actually reach out to a guy like Randall Cunningham and see what his interest level
is in the job. Maybe be could revitalize Justin’s career like he did his own? Similar skill sets in their prime too.

Ben relied on pure guts, size, strength and plays becoming broken…not sure his skill set can really be taught or if he would be a great teacher of the things JF should be taught.
You do for Fields what the Ravens did for LJ.

They are getting the most out of his talents.
 
I'm pretty sure that is what Tomlin did...except that middle 1/3, he removed it.


AND there’s the problem…………… open up that middle 1/3 and we have championship……..



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AND there’s the problem…………… open up that middle 1/3 and we have championship……..



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After that first game against ATL, Fields started using the middle of the field. He was hitting Muth there a lot more than Wilson was for sure.

Yeah, this is a highlight reel, and can make anyone look good with one, but you can see him going thru progressions, resetting the pocket, looking downfield and not JUST taking off running every time.

 
AND there’s the problem…………… open up that middle 1/3 and we have championship……..



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I have to wonder if any of our defense's inability to cover the middle of the field stems from our offense not attacking it in practice…maybe Mike just assumes it’s off limits/lava for everyone?

That would explain a few things
 
I have to wonder if any of our defense's inability to cover the middle of the field stems from our offense not attacking it in practice…maybe Mike just assumes it’s off limits/lava for everyone?

That would explain a few things


Tomlin “ Nothing is sacred in our line of work. Sometimes the other team lives beyond our means”


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This team has a looooooong way to go to be in true SB contention. It really sucks for Cam, Watt, Minkah, and the other dudes that may never play in a SB or even win a playoff game playing for this brand of the Steelers. Some will say Wilson gives us the best chance. Really? I don't see it happening.

I'd go with Fields. He is younger and still has a good bit of upside especially if he or the Steelers get him a good coach/trainer. He definitely improved with the Steelers and Tomlin was holding him back significantly. Playing with Wilson seemed to have done him some good. Sign him to a 2 or 3-year deal that makes sense. Get him a real WR2 and another RB. Warren should do well but I don't see him holding up being a true RB1. 60% of the snaps is about as much as I would give him.

Do that and I think this O can improve significantly.

With all of that said, I do like that moonball Wilson throws. If he was a few years younger, I'd say he is the guy but not at his age.
 
I have said this before but will repeat it for this thread. Fields doesn't process quite fast enough on field. He got better but missed guys just as they were breaking open. He got spoiled at OSU as most QBs do and expects to see NCAA open not NFL open. With the receivers we had last year that was hard to trust and he hesitated to throw it where they should be going and tried to wait for them to get there. The biggest difference between him and Russ the willingness to put it up with touch and let the receiver make the play. If Fields would spend a lot of time and repetition working just dropping and throwing with trust on timing patterns over the middle, he would become much more dangerous. He also needs to sometime take a little off his deep throws and let the receiver get under it. He has a bit of the early Elway issue of drilling it as hard as he can all the time. He also needs to practice his short screen throws. He had no touch on those at all. If we are going to sign him, we need to do it and then get him working on his own on these issues.

Russ is limited by age and height. I would imagine he is shorter now than when he came in the league, gravity is a *****. With him late in the year against better competition they just rushed the middle and said try and beat us outside. Then they were able to double our only competent outside deep threat and limit us. With his lack of threat to run we were not in a good position and the coaches failed to adjust properly or couldn't, due to lack of receiver talent. Russ is better at reading the defense, when he can see it to read it.
 
I have said this before but will repeat it for this thread. Fields doesn't process quite fast enough on field. He got better but missed guys just as they were breaking open. He got spoiled at OSU as most QBs do and expects to see NCAA open not NFL open. With the receivers we had last year that was hard to trust and he hesitated to throw it where they should be going and tried to wait for them to get there. The biggest difference between him and Russ the willingness to put it up with touch and let the receiver make the play. If Fields would spend a lot of time and repetition working just dropping and throwing with trust on timing patterns over the middle, he would become much more dangerous. He also needs to sometime take a little off his deep throws and let the receiver get under it. He has a bit of the early Elway issue of drilling it as hard as he can all the time. He also needs to practice his short screen throws. He had no touch on those at all. If we are going to sign him, we need to do it and then get him working on his own on these issues.

Russ is limited by age and height. I would imagine he is shorter now than when he came in the league, gravity is a *****. With him late in the year against better competition they just rushed the middle and said try and beat us outside. Then they were able to double our only competent outside deep threat and limit us. With his lack of threat to run we were not in a good position and the coaches failed to adjust properly or couldn't, due to lack of receiver talent. Russ is better at reading the defense, when he can see it to read it.
that's what most everyone's saying, keep Fields And bring a QB coach to improve his readings
 
And find a backup plan in free agency and or the draft. I wouldn't mind Howard in the early mid rounds.
Right now the team is three QBs short. So I presume two come in free agency and one the draft…
 
Interesting reading these comments. For me one of many of our nemesis on offense has been our RedZone scoring.
In 2024 our RedZone offense finished #29th in the league at 48.21%. Did you know that our RedZone offense in 2023 was just as putrid but actually finished higher at 48.89%.

So….with Kenny,Mason and Mitch and never forget Canada we were better in the RedZone.

Total offense yards in year 2024-5430 yards In 2023- 5173 yards.
So for bringing in a new OC and 2 supposed better QB’s we went up 257 yards gained in total.
To be fair our points for went from 304 to 380.

Sometimes I think our memories are short. While Fields had a 4-2 record many of us were calling the record fools gold. Do you remember how Chris was tearing it up with FG after FG? Because we couldn’t score TD’s in the RedZone. Our play calling was atrocious as well as our QB decision making. They didn’t trust him to throw,so he scored with his running. Believe me….the opposition were going to start keying on him running the ball in the RZ.

Justin played better than I thought he would. I liked his attitude,his interviews. Has he improved year after year in his career?
My feelings are to sign him to incentive laden contracts. But under the instruction from our ownership to throw caution to the wind. Open up our Playbook to the Max. Let him sink or swim. Of course that will never happen. Do I think our future multi year QB is on our roster? Not a chance. We are going to have to take chances drafting till we strike gold.

My little college knowledge was leaning towards Jaxson Dart as hopefully a sleeper pick in the 3rd round. Watched a few of his games. He seems to be gaining quite a bit of momentum of late. He won’t be there.
 
Interesting reading these comments. For me one of many of our nemesis on offense has been our RedZone scoring.
In 2024 our RedZone offense finished #29th in the league at 48.21%. Did you know that our RedZone offense in 2023 was just as putrid but actually finished higher at 48.89%.

So….with Kenny,Mason and Mitch and never forget Canada we were better in the RedZone.

Total offense yards in year 2024-5430 yards In 2023- 5173 yards.
So for bringing in a new OC and 2 supposed better QB’s we went up 257 yards gained in total.
To be fair our points for went from 304 to 380.

Sometimes I think our memories are short. While Fields had a 4-2 record many of us were calling the record fools gold. Do you remember how Chris was tearing it up with FG after FG? Because we couldn’t score TD’s in the RedZone. Our play calling was atrocious as well as our QB decision making. They didn’t trust him to throw,so he scored with his running. Believe me….the opposition were going to start keying on him running the ball in the RZ.

Justin played better than I thought he would. I liked his attitude,his interviews. Has he improved year after year in his career?
My feelings are to sign him to incentive laden contracts. But under the instruction from our ownership to throw caution to the wind. Open up our Playbook to the Max. Let him sink or swim. Of course that will never happen. Do I think our future multi year QB is on our roster? Not a chance. We are going to have to take chances drafting till we strike gold.

My little college knowledge was leaning towards Jaxson Dart as hopefully a sleeper pick in the 3rd round. Watched a few of his games. He seems to be gaining quite a bit of momentum of late. He won’t be there.
agreed, idk about the redzone with canada, i really dont. But in crunch time at the end , russell wilson was no better. None . That given, if they retain a qb i hope its fields. Just for the upside in hopes that he gets it. Aside from that i hope we gain a vet from another team and draft a qb as a rookie. If we cant get a QB from that pool the qb coach just needs to go.
 
I love how the suggested contract for Wilson is a very pedestrian for a current starter 39 or 39 mil per... and everyone is freaking out...

Newsflash, its unlikely that fields comes much cheaper... even career rehab guys are getting huge deals now... a guy like daniel jones might still bank 20 mil per... the market is crazy, Fields and wilson are top 3 available guys, and there are at least a half dozen teams looking for a starter...

Get this crazy concept that we are getting a starter for less than 30 mil per out of everyobes head... a mid level qb costs 40 mil per... anything less is a discount...
 
OK, I didn't look up how many trips each QB made to the redzone. That said, we have some very interesting numbers (keeping in mind that Fields played for 6 games and Russ for 11)
Justin Fields completed 65% of his red zone passes this past season (it was 68% in games he started) for 4 TDs and no INTS. He also rushed 17 times for 50 yards and 5 TDs. Giving him a total of 9 red zone TDs in 6 games.
Russel Wilson completed 50% of his red zone passes this past season for 10 TDs and 2 INTS. He rushed 9 times for 15 yards and 2 TDs. Giving him a total of 12 red zone TDs in 11 games.
So, what does that tell us?
Hell, I don't know. I'm just putting the information out there.
 
I love how the suggested contract for Wilson is a very pedestrian for a current starter 39 or 39 mil per... and everyone is freaking out...

Newsflash, its unlikely that fields comes much cheaper... even career rehab guys are getting huge deals now... a guy like daniel jones might still bank 20 mil per... the market is crazy, Fields and wilson are top 3 available guys, and there are at least a half dozen teams looking for a starter...

Get this crazy concept that we are getting a starter for less than 30 mil per out of everyobes head... a mid level qb costs 40 mil per... anything less is a discount...
Exactly why they’ll grab a guy like Cousins where ATL foots the majority of his salary (Russ ver 2.0).

We already have Skyler as QB2
Resign Allen or grab a day 3 flyer on a QB and
Presto-Chango…you have your QB room for under 10 million total so we can overpay defenders and chase another Tomlinship!

We got this, the blue print to 9-8/10-7 is there…no need to reinvent the wheel.
 
OK, I didn't look up how many trips each QB made to the redzone. That said, we have some very interesting numbers (keeping in mind that Fields played for 6 games and Russ for 11)
Justin Fields completed 65% of his red zone passes this past season (it was 68% in games he started) for 4 TDs and no INTS. He also rushed 17 times for 50 yards and 5 TDs. Giving him a total of 9 red zone TDs in 6 games.
Russel Wilson completed 50% of his red zone passes this past season for 10 TDs and 2 INTS. He rushed 9 times for 15 yards and 2 TDs. Giving him a total of 12 red zone TDs in 11 games.
So, what does that tell us?
Hell, I don't know. I'm just putting the information out there.


It tells us that if Fields was allowed to better and more aggressive play calling,he would thrive much better. He is better than Russ and was held to a limited offense.

I resign Fields for the upside, Russ has peaked and now ascending and not just started ascending, he is midway and about to drop over the cliff.


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OK, I didn't look up how many trips each QB made to the redzone. That said, we have some very interesting numbers (keeping in mind that Fields played for 6 games and Russ for 11)
Justin Fields completed 65% of his red zone passes this past season (it was 68% in games he started) for 4 TDs and no INTS. He also rushed 17 times for 50 yards and 5 TDs. Giving him a total of 9 red zone TDs in 6 games.
Russel Wilson completed 50% of his red zone passes this past season for 10 TDs and 2 INTS. He rushed 9 times for 15 yards and 2 TDs. Giving him a total of 12 red zone TDs in 11 games.
So, what does that tell us?
Hell, I don't know. I'm just putting the information out there.
Not sure what it tells us. But what I do know is we were almost last in the league with Fields. Then when Wilson took over,we were almost last in the league again. 28th out of 32 teams.
 
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