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Let's be honest Steelers got lucky

Lucky that JPJ knocked the ball loose a fraction of a second before his third step, but according to the rule it was the right call.

But is wasn’t a convincing win and the Steelers got out of Dodge not a second too soon. I’m hoping the Steelers can lock up the division by the time the two teams meet again. If the Ravens commit to the run, I think they probably win easily.
 
TDX27 said:
It was not a bad call. It is the rules. You must get 2 feet down AND make another football move. The replay shows him getting 2 steps, and before his 3rd step, the ball was coming out. Therefore, it is incomplete per the NFL rules. Even getting a 3rd step down won't always mean it was a football move. We've been there and done that. The rule sucks, but it was the correct call based on current NFL rules.

And, yes, the officials do suck. Even when they get a call coming in from the NFL office, it's not always correct.
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Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3 — Completed or Intercepted Pass​


A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player — who is in bounds — meets all of the following conditions:


  1. Control — secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground. NFL Football Operations+1
  2. In-bounds grounding — touches the ground in bounds with both feet, or with any part of his body other than his hands. NFL Football Operations+1
  3. Football move or possession maintenance — after (1) and (2), clearly performs an act common to the game (for example, tucks the ball away, extends the ball forward, takes an additional step, turns upfield, or avoids/wards off an opponent), or maintains control long enough to do so. NFL Football Operations+1

If a player meets 1, 2, and 3, the pass is complete (or intercepted, if by the defense). NFL Football Operations+1


If any of those conditions are not met — i.e. the player fails to maintain control, lands out of bounds, doesn’t complete a “football move,” or loses control when going to the ground — the pass is ruled incomplete. That is covered by Article 4. NFL Football Operations+1


Explain which part Likely missed? 1,2, or 3?
 
bigben said:

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3 — Completed or Intercepted Pass​


A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player — who is in bounds — meets all of the following conditions:


  1. Control — secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground. NFL Football Operations+1
  2. In-bounds grounding — touches the ground in bounds with both feet, or with any part of his body other than his hands. NFL Football Operations+1
  3. Football move or possession maintenance — after (1) and (2), clearly performs an act common to the game (for example, tucks the ball away, extends the ball forward, takes an additional step, turns upfield, or avoids/wards off an opponent), or maintains control long enough to do so. NFL Football Operations+1

If a player meets 1, 2, and 3, the pass is complete (or intercepted, if by the defense). NFL Football Operations+1


If any of those conditions are not met — i.e. the player fails to maintain control, lands out of bounds, doesn’t complete a “football move,” or loses control when going to the ground — the pass is ruled incomplete. That is covered by Article 4. NFL Football Operations+1


Explain which part Likely missed? 1,2, or 3?
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3.

Hope you obsessed over it this much when it was James on the other end.
 
bigben said:

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3 — Completed or Intercepted Pass​


A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player — who is in bounds — meets all of the following conditions:


  1. Control — secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground. NFL Football Operations+1
  2. In-bounds grounding — touches the ground in bounds with both feet, or with any part of his body other than his hands. NFL Football Operations+1
  3. Football move or possession maintenance — after (1) and (2), clearly performs an act common to the game (for example, tucks the ball away, extends the ball forward, takes an additional step, turns upfield, or avoids/wards off an opponent), or maintains control long enough to do so. NFL Football Operations+1

If a player meets 1, 2, and 3, the pass is complete (or intercepted, if by the defense). NFL Football Operations+1


If any of those conditions are not met — i.e. the player fails to maintain control, lands out of bounds, doesn’t complete a “football move,” or loses control when going to the ground — the pass is ruled incomplete. That is covered by Article 4. NFL Football Operations+1


Explain which part Likely missed? 1,2, or 3?
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I'm guessing since he caught the ball away from his body, they didn't think that was extending the ball forward, but that's exactly why he didn't tuck the ball in, he was extending it away from the defender. If it happened to us, everyone would be going crazy.
 
In my humble opinion, I believed the below was the criteria that the NFL used to overturn the call of a good touchdown on the field:
….,or avoids/wards off an opponent), or maintains control long enough to do so….
Joey Porters extra effort and not giving up on the play probably saved the Steelers season.
 
bigben said:

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3 — Completed or Intercepted Pass​


A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player — who is in bounds — meets all of the following conditions:


  1. Control — secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground. NFL Football Operations+1
  2. In-bounds grounding — touches the ground in bounds with both feet, or with any part of his body other than his hands. NFL Football Operations+1
  3. Football move or possession maintenance — after (1) and (2), clearly performs an act common to the game (for example, tucks the ball away, extends the ball forward, takes an additional step, turns upfield, or avoids/wards off an opponent), or maintains control long enough to do so. NFL Football Operations+1

If a player meets 1, 2, and 3, the pass is complete (or intercepted, if by the defense). NFL Football Operations+1


If any of those conditions are not met — i.e. the player fails to maintain control, lands out of bounds, doesn’t complete a “football move,” or loses control when going to the ground — the pass is ruled incomplete. That is covered by Article 4. NFL Football Operations+1


Explain which part Likely missed? 1,2, or 3?
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Obviously, No. 3.
 
Troglodyte said:
Lucky that JPJ knocked the ball loose a fraction of a second before his third step, but according to the rule it was the right call.

But is wasn’t a convincing win and the Steelers got out of Dodge not a second too soon. I’m hoping the Steelers can lock up the division by the time the two teams meet again. If the Ravens commit to the run, I think they probably win easily.
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Neither of these teams is a threat to the AFC. It was two average teams fighting for a below average division this year. As for the Ravens committing to the run, that's just Harbaugh being Harbaugh. Watched quite a few Ravens games this year, and Henry is on the sidelines a lot. There's a reason Jackson looked so great last year, teams had to sell out to stop the run, whether it was Henry or Jackson. It's the same reason the Eagles are struggling this year, they are not using Barkley as much or having designed runs for Hurts.

If I'm either team, I don't care what the media says, other teams say, if I have a QB that is a threat the run the ball, and it forces defenses to keep a spy or load the box and that in turn opens up downfield throws...I'm going to keep doing it. Nope, lets air it out, have our best players minimized by the offensive scheme instead of featured...hmmm wait a minute, that sounds familiar....
 
We pulled a "Few Good Men" on the Ravens and it really screwed with Haurbaugh's head. Those who have seen the movie know exactly what I'm talking about...LOL. Those decoys worked really well.

 
Absolutely. We got lucky.

 
Dan Patrick said that the “Football move” was holding the ball away from tne defender. I still cant believe they overturned that.
 
KentuckySteeler said:
Dan Patrick said that the “Football move” was holding the ball away from tne defender. I still cant believe they overturned that.
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His arms were already extended. No moves. What was thebfootball move?
Again stupid rule but that is the current rule
 
TimesAreChanged said:
He did not need to get another foot down

Read the rule and stop spreading nonsense
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You're the one that needs to read the rule. The "extend the ball" refers to reaching for line to gain or to break the plain of the endzone.

He needed the third element of the current catch rule. He did not...all of this would be a moot point had he not relaxed and had the ball so easily jarred loose from his hands. Porter didn't even hit the ball or his hands, he hit the underside of his triceps...

Right or wrong call (it was the right call), you whining about it isn't going to change the rule. I bet it doesn't even get addressed in the off season at the team meetings.
 
bigben said:

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3 — Completed or Intercepted Pass​


A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player — who is in bounds — meets all of the following conditions:


  1. Control — secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground. NFL Football Operations+1
  2. In-bounds grounding — touches the ground in bounds with both feet, or with any part of his body other than his hands. NFL Football Operations+1
  3. Football move or possession maintenance — after (1) and (2), clearly performs an act common to the game (for example, tucks the ball away, extends the ball forward, takes an additional step, turns upfield, or avoids/wards off an opponent), or maintains control long enough to do so. NFL Football Operations+1

If a player meets 1, 2, and 3, the pass is complete (or intercepted, if by the defense). NFL Football Operations+1


If any of those conditions are not met — i.e. the player fails to maintain control, lands out of bounds, doesn’t complete a “football move,” or loses control when going to the ground — the pass is ruled incomplete. That is covered by Article 4. NFL Football Operations+1


Explain which part Likely missed? 1,2, or 3?
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1. If he had control over the ball it wouldn't have come loose when he did 3.
 
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