Manning or Bradshaw?

[Vader]

Montana IS alone.
Four SB appearances, four SB wins. I realize, same for Bradshaw.
Here's where the difference is.
Montana threw 11 TDs and ZERO interceptions. The double perfect. And he threw the ball 111 times combined in those 4 SBs. About 28 times/game.
TB threw 9 TDs and 4 INTS, had FAR superior defenses in all 8 SBs being discussed.

I love my Steelers and I Terry was an AWESOME QB that went four for four in the big one.
But if I could have only 1 QB for my team in a SB? It's not even close.
It's Montana. He IS on a pedestal by himself, and there's no other QB that even enters his atmosphere of SB greatness.

You do realize that the 49ers had one of the best defenses of the entire 80s right? In their first SB they were 2nd in score and 2nd in yards. Their 'WORST' defense was 8th in points and 3rd in yards. Montana had plenty of help.

 

[Wingman]

You do realize that the 49ers had one of the best defenses of the entire 80s right? In their first SB they were 2nd in score and 2nd in yards. Their 'WORST' defense was 8th in points and 3rd in yards. Montana had plenty of help.

There you go muddying up the waters with facts again.

 

[Franco]

Montana IS alone.
Four SB appearances, four SB wins. I realize, same for Bradshaw.
Here's where the difference is.
Montana threw 11 TDs and ZERO interceptions. The double perfect. And he threw the ball 111 times combined in those 4 SBs. About 28 times/game.
TB threw 9 TDs and 4 INTS, had FAR superior defenses in all 8 SBs being discussed.

I love my Steelers and I Terry was an AWESOME QB that went four for four in the big one.
But if I could have only 1 QB for my team in a SB? It's not even cl
It's Montana. He IS on a pedestal by himself, and there's no other QB that even enters his atmosphere of SB greatness.

Montana played his entire career with the friendly Blount Rule in effect and he played in a dink and dunk system that the NFL was not prepared to defense. Montana also had stats surpassed by his backup which again shows the system was the real star. Montana also had incredibly bad playoff games where he was not just bad but historically bad. I take Bradshaw over a system QB that could not have ruin the Steelers offense of the 70s, lack of arm strength and a body that couldn't withstand the defenses of the early to late 70s.

 

[Chicoman]

Well I'll throw my 2 cents in. They are both great QB's however......Bradshaw and the Steelers played against other teams that would be considered dynasties in today's NFL the NFL Peyton plays in. 70's Dolphins, 70's Raiders, 70's Cowboys, 70's Vikings not to mention some pretty damn good teams that were always right there but just couldn't beat the great dynasty teams of the 70's above but the others would be the Patriots of the mid 70's, The Colts with Marchibroda in 75, 76 & 77....I think 2 of those years they lost to the Steelers and you can't forget those Houston Oilers of the late 70's and the great games they had vs the Steelers. If the Steelers didn't win those championship games I would have put money on the Oilers to win the Super Bowls. They were right there with the Steelers but came up a bit short when it mattered most.

Bradshaw might have been carried by the great Steelers D in the 70's but late 70's it was all Bradshaw flourishing into a veteran QB to lead his teams to victory.

I'll always have a soft spot for Terry he's my all-time favorite. He doesn't have the stats Peyton does but IMO what matters most is the Championships won. Bradshaw won 4 of them, Peyton 1.

 

[Hineswardkickedurpanzyass]

I would have pretty good stats if I was throwing to Jerry Rice. ****, Rice would have made Bubby Brister look like a HOFer

 

[slashsteel]

Bradshaw could move around the pocket pretty well, one thing I think is Manning's ultimate flaw.

I would prefer the Rodgers, Bens, Elway's, hell even Wilson's over him when it mattered the most.

When you are not mobile, great Ds can zero in on you and force mistakes. and we know it only takes a mistake or two to turn the outcome of a game.

Not to diminish Manning as he is a HOF QB, no denying that.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

What would happen to Manning or Brady if they had a Turkey Jones put on them?

Bradshaw>Manning>Brady

 

[CorpusDsteelers]

Manning would get broken early and often if he played back then when punishing qbs was leagal!

 

[Steelers1356]

Montana IS alone.
Four SB appearances, four SB wins. I realize, same for Bradshaw.
Here's where the difference is.
Montana threw 11 TDs and ZERO interceptions. The double perfect. And he threw the ball 111 times combined in those 4 SBs. About 28 times/game.
TB threw 9 TDs and 4 INTS, had FAR superior defenses in all 8 SBs being discussed.

I love my Steelers and I Terry was an AWESOME QB that went four for four in the big one.
But if I could have only 1 QB for my team in a SB? It's not even close.
It's Montana. He IS on a pedestal by himself, and there's no other QB that even enters his atmosphere of SB greatness.

Montana didn't face Staubach twice and Tarkenton in 3 of his Superbowls.

 

[fedderone]

I would have pretty good stats if I was throwing to Jerry Rice. ****, Rice would have made Bubby Brister look like a HOFer

Yeah, those scrubs Stallworth and Swann. What a bunch of awful no name receivers. Terry just hit Lynn in stride without no actual effort by Swann on those ridiculous highlight reel catches that are part of EVERY NFL highlight package. Terry made them Hall of Famers. They were just lucky to be part of system. ( sigh, eyeroll ).

 

[fedderone]

You do realize that the 49ers had one of the best defenses of the entire 80s right? In their first SB they were 2nd in score and 2nd in yards. Their 'WORST' defense was 8th in points and 3rd in yards. Montana had plenty of help.

I said the 70s Steelers D were far superior to the 80s 49ers D.
Are you saying they're equals? That the 80s 49ers D was in the same plateau as the 70s Steelers Ds?
I don't ever remember any of the Ds from the 80s 49ers teams being discussed as the bests of all time.

I said the 70s Steelers' Ds were far superior.
I didn't say the 49ers' Ds were ham and eggers, that they were a liability, or that Montana didn't have help.
Ronnie Lott was their only Hall of Famer on D from that era. Well, you could include Fred Dean, too, but he only played on the 1st two SB teams for SF, and played the majority of his career in San Diego.

 

[fedderone]

Montana played his entire career with the friendly Blount Rule in effect and he played in a dink and dunk system that the NFL was not prepared to defense. Montana also had stats surpassed by his backup which again shows the system was the real star. Montana also had incredibly bad playoff games where he was not just bad but historically bad. I take Bradshaw over a system QB that could not have ruin the Steelers offense of the 70s, lack of arm strength and a body that couldn't withstand the defenses of the early to late 70s.

Yeah, Montana had some stinker playoff games........as did Bradshaw.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=5850

Too long to post, but it's a breakdown of Montana/Bradshaw post season, not just SBs.
Good read.
Facts galore.

 

[fedderone]

Montana didn't face Staubach twice and Tarkenton in 3 of his Superbowls.

No, just the league's MVP in 81, 84, and 88.
Ken Anderson, Dan Marino, and Boomer Esiason.
Should be HOF, HOF, and 4 time probowler but certainly not in the category of the others. But no Neil O'Donnell, either.

 

[Vader]

I said the 70s Steelers D were far superior to the 80s 49ers D.
Are you saying they're equals? That the 80s 49ers D was in the same plateau as the 70s Steelers Ds?
I don't ever remember any of the Ds from the 80s 49ers teams being discussed as the bests of all time.

I said the 70s Steelers' Ds were far superior.
I didn't say the 49ers' Ds were ham and eggers, that they were a liability, or that Montana didn't have help.
Ronnie Lott was their only Hall of Famer on D from that era. Well, you could include Fred Dean, too, but he only played on the 1st two SB teams for SF, and played the majority of his career in San Diego.

I'm saying they were one of the best Ds in the 80s. One thing that is different about the 49ers is that they won their SBs over a larger time period than the Steelers. So the defense changed but compared to the teams they were playing against they were still one of the best during the time period. See they don't have to be equal to the 70s Steelers, they just have to be better than their competition and they were. They were good during their time. They always ranked among the best in the league during their SB runs. Hell the 1979 Steeler offense was #1 in PPG while their defense was 5th in PPG.

 

[SCSteeler4life]

None of you are coaches, players or owners so you shouldn't be talking about this. You people act like you know football. So please stop it.

First smart thing you have said in a while. But then again I'm not shocked you know everything. Lol

 

[Vader]

First smart thing you have said in a while. But then again I'm not shocked you know everything. Lol

The board should be shut down. All these people talking about a sport when they've never played it or coached it professionally.

 

[SCSteeler4life]

The board should be shut down. All these people talking about a sport when they've never played it or coached it professionally.

Talking about it is fair game. Talking about like its fact and you know better than the organization. Now that's just stupid. You know the inter working of the Steelers team and front office about as well as I do.. You don't.

 

[Vader]

Talking about it is fair game. Talking about like its fact and you know better than the organization. Now that's just stupid. You know the inter working of the Steelers team and front office about as well as I do.. You don't.

So you get to decide "how" people on the board talk about things. Oh ok. Please give me the rules so I don't mess up anymore.

 

[SCSteeler4life]

So you get to decide "how" people on the board talk about things. Oh ok. Please give me the rules so I don't mess up anymore.

Just read and don't reply. Problem solved.lol

 

[Steelers1356]

No, just the league's MVP in 81, 84, and 88.
Ken Anderson, Dan Marino, and Boomer Esiason.
Should be HOF, HOF, and 4 time probowler but certainly not in the category of the others. But no Neil O'Donnell, either.

None of those QB's were the playoff caliber QB that Staubach was, and Montana didn't face anything like the Dallas doomsday defense.

 

[Steelerfreak]

I am going to say this and then prepared to get flogged and stoned in public...

My Perspective: I'm in my mid 40s. I was a kid in the 70s dynasty. Had 20/20 hindsight with all those steeler legends of days gone by. Then the NFL Network started showing old super bowls in their entirety. Not just the highlights we all know. That being said, I will take Ben over Bradshaw. Bradshaw and Manning shouldn't even be compared. Remember if you want to talk about Super Bowl Wins as a mark of greatness then......

Mark Rypien, Trent Dilfer, and Doug Williams > Dan Marino, Jim Kelley, and Dan Fouts.

 

[Confluence]

I am going to say this and then prepared to get flogged and stoned in public...

My Perspective: I'm in my mid 40s. I was a kid in the 70s dynasty. Had 20/20 hindsight with all those steeler legends of days gone by. Then the NFL Network started showing old super bowls in their entirety. Not just the highlights we all know. That being said, I will take Ben over Bradshaw. Bradshaw and Manning shouldn't even be compared. Remember if you want to talk about Super Bowl Wins as a mark of greatness then......

Mark Rypien, Trent Dilfer, and Doug Williams > Dan Marino, Jim Kelley, and Dan Fouts.

Release the hounds!

 

[deljzc]

Here's the thing about Bradshaw, even if you take the generational situation out of it.

1. He has legit NFL height/weight/athleticism for the position and was EXCEPTIONAL on those attributes in 1970. In 1970, guys 6'-3", 220 lbs, could run and had his cannon arm didn't just grow on trees. There's a reason he was the #1 overall pick in the draft. He had exceptional natural gifts for the position.

2. Quarterbacks today have an easier road to immediately starting and accumulating statistics than they did back in 1970. Back then they were play callers and the chaos of calling plays while also surviving was too much for many. The jump from college to pros was much greater back then in complexity than it is now (where many kids are running pro concepts in HIGH SCHOOL). This is an era where only a few pro programs were running complex playcalls that evolved from Paul Brown and Sid Gillman. It was a huge shock and almost every QB of that era had growing pains (from 1967 to 2003 only ONE quarterback was rookie of the year, since 2004, there have been 6 of 10 QB's win rookie of the year).

3. Bradshaw's faults would have been coached out of him better today than in 1970. The game has not only evolved in the talent level of the players, but also the coaches. Today's QB/OC coaches are LIGHT YEARS ahead of where they were in their infancy in 1970. Pass protection is more advanced. The concepts of timing and safety valves. The high/low read to make things easy on young QB's has all evolved since Bradshaw's era.

It's just not an apples to apples comparison between Peyton and Bradshaw. Both were #1 picks that went on to great success for their eras. Peyton is the far better regular season performer, Bradshaw the far greater post-season performer.

Both are top-10 quarterbacks of all time.

 

[Idioteque]

I am going to say this and then prepared to get flogged and stoned in public...

My Perspective: I'm in my mid 40s. I was a kid in the 70s dynasty. Had 20/20 hindsight with all those steeler legends of days gone by. Then the NFL Network started showing old super bowls in their entirety. Not just the highlights we all know. That being said, I will take Ben over Bradshaw. Bradshaw and Manning shouldn't even be compared. Remember if you want to talk about Super Bowl Wins as a mark of greatness then......

Mark Rypien, Trent Dilfer, and Doug Williams > Dan Marino, Jim Kelley, and Dan Fouts.

Were any of those guys 4-0? And did any of them single-handedly win any of their Super Bowls?

 

[slashsteel]

Here's the thing about Bradshaw, even if you take the generational situation out of it.

1. He has legit NFL height/weight/athleticism for the position and was EXCEPTIONAL on those attributes in 1970. In 1970, guys 6'-3", 220 lbs, could run and had his cannon arm didn't just grow on trees. There's a reason he was the #1 overall pick in the draft. He had exceptional natural gifts for the position.

2. Quarterbacks today have an easier road to immediately starting and accumulating statistics than they did back in 1970. Back then they were play callers and the chaos of calling plays while also surviving was too much for many. The jump from college to pros was much greater back then in complexity than it is now (where many kids are running pro concepts in HIGH SCHOOL). This is an era where only a few pro programs were running complex playcalls that evolved from Paul Brown and Sid Gillman. It was a huge shock and almost every QB of that era had growing pains (from 1967 to 2003 only ONE quarterback was rookie of the year, since 2004, there have been 6 of 10 QB's win rookie of the year).

3. Bradshaw's faults would have been coached out of him better today than in 1970. The game has not only evolved in the talent level of the players, but also the coaches. Today's QB/OC coaches are LIGHT YEARS ahead of where they were in their infancy in 1970. Pass protection is more advanced. The concepts of timing and safety valves. The high/low read to make things easy on young QB's has all evolved since Bradshaw's era.

It's just not an apples to apples comparison between Peyton and Bradshaw. Both were #1 picks that went on to great success for their eras. Peyton is the far better regular season performer, Bradshaw the far greater post-season performer.

Both are top-10 quarterbacks of all time.

Well said,

now for me I would take a playoff QB over a regular season QB, even though most would pick Manning without blinking.............