Mike Tomlin Is Now in the Top 10 All-Time in Wins -- Some Perspective

[Punxsutawney]

People often miss the bigger picture with Marty.

The Browns, Chiefs and Chargers were all really bad when he started coaching them and he built them each into contenders.

The Browns almost certainly get to a Superbowl in the late 1980s if it wasn't for John Elway and/or Ernest Byner's fumble.

Yeah, Marty's overall post season record was bad, but there was some bad luck in there and the Chiefs inparticular probably won more than they had any business winning with the likes of Steve Bono and Elvis Grbac at QB.

It's still crazy to me how Marty was fired after a 14-2 season with the Chargers....only to be replaced by the man, myth, legend of Norv ******* Turner.

If the Chargers DB doesn't fumble after intercepting Tom Brady late in Marty's last playoff game, Marty's legacy is perhaps completely different.

That 2006 Chargers team was loaded.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Tomlin seemed to lose the magic sauce once Arians and Lebeau left, though Todd Haley had his moments.

Haley's offense was statistically better than Arians' but his time here coincided with the good defensive players Tomlin inherited retiring or moving on.
And remember Keith Butler said when he retired that Tomlin took over calling the defense in LeBeau's last two years.

 

[Hypocycloids]

Yeah Tomlin won with a team he inherited, which is always used against him.
But can easily be flipped.

What if he hadn’t?
It proved that he can win with the right players.

He took a team that went 8-8 Cowhers last year, to 10-6 the next, then to 12-4 and a SB victory the next. That’s the way it’s supposed to work.

If he had failed to accomplish that he would have received far less criticism than he has for winning the SB !….because he inherited an 8-8 team!

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[Hypocycloids]

Haley's offense was statistically better than Arians' but his time here coincided with the good defensive players Tomlin inherited retiring or moving on.
And remember Keith Butler said when he retired that Tomlin took over calling the defense in LeBeau's last two years.

Yes but it was LeBeau who was fully in charge of the D in 2012 when we lost to Tim Tebow in OT…that TD pass that caught our D off guard…yet we chalk it up as just another Tomlin playoff loss.
I’m not even gonna blame LeBeau. The players play the game.

 

[WindyCitySteel]

The Browns, Chiefs and Chargers were all really bad when he started coaching them and he built them each into contenders.

This point is missed by the Tomlin brigade, he's not going to walk into another situation like he did in 2007, which is why he's probably in no hurry to take another gig even if he leaves the Steelers. A guy who never developed a QB and who has not a single branch on his coaching tree after 19 years is not going to resurrect a moribund franchise.

 

[WindyCitySteel]

Yeah Tomlin won with a team he inherited, which is always used against him.
But can easily be flipped.

What if he hadn’t?
It proved that he can win with the right players.

He took a team that went 8-8 Cowhers last year, to 10-6 the next, then to 12-4 and a SB victory the next. That’s the way it’s supposed to work.

If he had failed to accomplish that he would have received far less criticism than he has for winning the SB !….because he inherited an 8-8 team!

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That 8-8 team was DOA with Ben's accident, appendectomy, and injuries and Cowher's distractions off the field. The two years before? 15-1, AFCC loss, then SB champs. Franchise QB in his 4th season, tons of talent on both lines, veteran leaders, and two HOF assistants.

Compared to what Noll and Cowher inherited, Tomlin was born on 3rd base with a quadriplegic on the mound. Cowher took over a team with 1 playoff appearance in its last 7 seasons, Noll inherited a team with none in the previous 21 seasons.

 

[SteelerFan448]

That 8-8 team was DOA with Ben's accident, appendectomy, and injuries and Cowher's distractions off the field. The two years before? 15-1, AFCC loss, then SB champs. Franchise QB in his 4th season, tons of talent on both lines, veteran leaders, and two HOF assistants.

Compared to what Noll and Cowher inherited, Tomlin was born on 3rd base with a quadriplegic on the mound. Cowher took over a team with 1 playoff appearance in its last 7 seasons, Noll inherited a team with none in the previous 21 seasons.

I don’t even think the inherited talk is even relevant to Tomlin today because we are so far separated from 2007. We’ve seen the lack of playoff success for nearly a decade. Hopefully that changes this year because Tomlin isn’t going anywhere.

 

[Steeltime]

People often miss the bigger picture with Marty.

The Browns, Chiefs and Chargers were all really bad when he started coaching them and he built them each into contenders.

Yep.

The Browns almost certainly get to a Superbowl in the late 1980s if it wasn't for John Elway and/or Ernest Byner's fumble.

Truth.

It's still crazy to me how Marty was fired after a 14-2 season with the Chargers....only to be replaced by the man, myth, legend of Norv ******* Turner.

If the Chargers DB doesn't fumble after intercepting Tom Brady late in Marty's last playoff game, Marty's legacy is perhaps completely different.

That 2006 Chargers team was loaded.

That team completely outplayed the Patsies**** with Brady in his prime. 100% true that if McRee simply hangs onto the ball, with Chargers up 21-13 with 4 1/2 minutes left in the 4th, Chargers win that game.

Chargers picked off Brady three times, outgained them, and Tomlinson ran for 123 yards and 2 TD's. The Steelers never played as well against a Brady team in the playoffs - ever.

 

[Hypocycloids]

This point is missed by the Tomlin brigade, he's not going to walk into another situation like he did in 2007, which is why he's probably in no hurry to take another gig even if he leaves the Steelers. A guy who never developed a QB and who has not a single branch on his coaching tree after 19 years is not going to resurrect a moribund franchise.

This kind of stuff rolls my eyeballsup. Lol
First of all unless you’re talking about those not on this board, there really is no “Tomlin Brigade” here, only those trying to be reasonable.
Tomlin not developing a QB. Whose fault is that?
We can agree that every QB drafted under the Tomlin regime…

• Dennis Dixon (2008)
• Landry Jones (2013)
• Joshua Dobbs (2017)
• Mason Rudolph (2018)
• Kenny Pickett (2022)

…. were not starting QB material. So Tomlin must be as smart as we are by letting them go.

Or are you saying Tomlin failed to develop them?
But who has?

Yeah Bill Cowher “developed” Big Ben, but what took him so long? Don’t forget Ben became the starter the year he was drafted. Toward the end of his tenure Cowher finally had something to work with.
Speaking of which… had Maddox not got hurt who knows what course the Steelers would have taken back then.
The one time we were allowed to be happy over an injury! LOL (As long as it wasn’t serious)

I suppose you could call Berm a one man brigade. Lol

 

[steelhurt]

Of course Shades will be a first ballot HOFer.
Wouldn’t expect anything other than that.

 

[topseed]

It's still crazy to me how Marty was fired after a 14-2 season with the Chargers....only to be replaced by the man, myth, legend of Norv ******* Turner.

If the Chargers DB doesn't fumble after intercepting Tom Brady late in Marty's last playoff game, Marty's legacy is perhaps completely different.

That 2006 Chargers team was loaded.

Yeah, and if James Harrison doesn't make his own adjustment which resulted in the biggest defensive play in Super Bowl history, Tomlin never wins that lone championship.

Bottom line is, the Chargers were 14-2 in 2006, had a 14-3 lead in a divisional playoff game in which they were 5-point favorites, and still lost. The ultimate Martyball nail in the coffin. When you finish with that kind of regular season record, they expect you at the very least to win your first playoff game. Similarly, the 2017 Steelers were 13-3 and lost as 7-point favorites -- the difference is Marty got canned, and Tomlin is somehow still the head coach in Pittsburgh years later, after not only losing that particular postseason game, but also never winning another.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

This point is missed by the Tomlin brigade, he's not going to walk into another situation like he did in 2007, which is why he's probably in no hurry to take another gig even if he leaves the Steelers. A guy who never developed a QB and who has not a single branch on his coaching tree after 19 years is not going to resurrect a moribund franchise.

Shades has fairly well proven over the last 15 years that he cannot build his own championship team.

We can agree that every QB drafted under the Tomlin regime…

• Dennis Dixon (2008)
• Landry Jones (2013)
• Joshua Dobbs (2017)
• Mason Rudolph (2018)
• Kenny Pickett (2022)

…. were not starting QB material. So Tomlin must be as smart as we are by letting them go.

Or are you saying Tomlin failed to develop them?

Except for Pickett and possibly Rudolph, none of those guys were drafted to be starting QB's. They were drafted to be backups. We already had a starting QB.

Yeah Bill Cowher “developed” Big Ben, but what took him so long? Don’t forget Ben became the starter the year he was drafted. Toward the end of his tenure Cowher finally had something to work with.

When Ben was drafted we had the very good Ken Whisenhunt as OC. Shades doesn't have a monopoly on hiring boneheaded OC's. In between Chan Gailey and Whisenhunt, Chin hired Kevin Gilbride and Ray Sherman, neither of whom were quite as bad as Matt Canada, but still....
We used to bag on Chin for playing Martyball and it wasn't until he got out of his own way and thought outside the box a little bit that he won a Super Bowl.
Chin was something like 97-2-1 when entering the 4th quarter with at least a 7 point lead, which is the very definition of Martyball.