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[diver]

While Ben has had some very talented teams around him, it's hard to argue that Bradshaw didn't have the better cast his entire career, PLUS one of the greatest coaches of all time.

Yeah, you are right. I guess my point is they both had pretty good supporting casts at times in their careers. Ben certainly had supporting casts that could have and should have won more Super Bowls.

I always thought as it pertains to Bradshaw...when he really came into his maturity as a QB, especially those years from '80 - '82, a good portion of the rest of the team was older and getting injured. They really could have won a few more with the way he was playing in those years. If he would not have gotten hurt that '83 team was interesting. If he was the QB I think they would have certainly been more in the hunt.

 

[insaniti]

I think Ben would come back under the right conditions. I just don't see this oline protecting him even next year, and Canada will never let his ego allow Ben to have more control in this offense.

I don't think, even with the "right QB", Canada's offense is going to work in the NFL. The only thing his shifts do is tip off the other team what's coming. My personal favorite is when he has Chuks go in motion, and reset on the left. All the D has to do is crowd the line. It's an RPO that's going nowhere

 

[Steelmann]

While Ben has had some very talented teams around him, it's hard to argue that Bradshaw didn't have the better cast his entire career, PLUS one of the greatest coaches of all time.

Not that I would disagree with either of your guys points. But I would say that it’s just apples to oranges. Ben had a great supporting cast as did Terry. The difference would be Free Agency. Terry’s teams stayed together longer because they really didn’t have too much choice. That’s just the way it was back then. If you don’t think some of those legends wouldn’t have bolted for the big you’re crazy.

When Ben does retire,the debate about who was better will gobble up thousands upon thousands of posts on the dear Steeler Nation. Fitting I guess,after all it’s a Steeler forum. To me it really doesn’t matter who was better,different eras.
As I’m a little older than some here It’s been a privilege to be able to watch both careers in their entirety.

For me also,the great thing is I have passed along the torch. My beautiful son is also a diehard Steelers fan. We have many animated arguments above the way the direction of the team should go. Love it!

 

[Drink IRON City]

Bradshaw will be quick to remind you that he called his own plays. Let Ben do it once.

You also have to realize that they didn't have helmet headsets at that time either. I don't give that as a huge credence as nearly every QB (of that era) was calling their own plays to a degree. Don't get me wrong as it does count but just not as much weight as some want to make it.





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[Drink IRON City]

I don't think, even with the "right QB", Canada's offense is going to work in the NFL. The only thing his shifts do is tip off the other team what's coming. My personal favorite is when he has Chuks go in motion, and reset on the left. All the D has to do is crowd the line. It's an RPO that's going nowhere

I've said it many times....... to predictable a scheme, college / high school but NOT professional. Defenses can guess 80%+ whats coming and that is why the pin ears back and straight rush to Najee still in the backfield. Surfer dude Haley definately had balance way better.




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[steelcan58]

When Ben does retire,the debate about who was better will gobble up thousands upon thousands of posts on the dear Steeler Nation.

For me that will be a very short conversation. Even though Bradshaw won more Super Bowls, Ben had a much better career. Ben was great right out of the gate. Bradshaw didn't really hit stride until after he won the first Super Bowl. Love them both though.

 

[insaniti]

Not that I would disagree with either of your guys points. But I would say that it’s just apples to oranges. Ben had a great supporting cast as did Terry. The difference would be Free Agency. Terry’s teams stayed together longer because they really didn’t have too much choice. That’s just the way it was back then. If you don’t think some of those legends wouldn’t have bolted for the big you’re crazy.

When Ben does retire,the debate about who was better will gobble up thousands upon thousands of posts on the dear Steeler Nation. Fitting I guess,after all it’s a Steeler forum. To me it really doesn’t matter who was better,different eras.
As I’m a little older than some here It’s been a privilege to be able to watch both careers in their entirety.

For me also,the great thing is I have passed along the torch. My beautiful son is also a diehard Steelers fan. We have many animated arguments above the way the direction of the team should go. Love it!

I don't think it's much of a debate at all, I think Ben is clearly the better QB. Bradshaw has even said that himself. As great as he was, it's rare that Bradshaw gets mentioned among the greatest QB's of all time, or even of his era. He is one of the best big game QB's ever, but Ben is a much better QB. A lot of that has to do with just the transformation of the game of football, how much more popular it is now compared to then, how soon these guys start playing football, etc.

 

[warriors42]

I went and looked up Ben's records and accomplishments throughout his career, Damn it's crazy what he has done and that he doesn't get more credit. It's a must read and **** the sports world for not acknowledging him as one of the best to ever play the position. He has done things that no other player at his position has ever done and that includes Manning and Brady.

Possibly the greatest steeler player period IMHO. Three days I will never forget what I was doing, 9/11, challenger explosion and the day we drafted Big Ben.

 

[stuntmanmike]

i hear ya man but I hope Ben stays on he should be our starter until someone beats him out Ben showd to have more in the tank the offense just suks pLS Steeler brain trust step in a save tomlin from himself and hire a real offensive coordinator

 

[madinsomniac]

Its wild to think that Ben realistically may finish with more passing Yards than media darling Aaron Rodgers when its all said and done… Rodgers is only like a year or so younger than Ben… he could be done at any time…

 

[slashsteel]

Its wild to think that Ben realistically may finish with more passing Yards than media darling Aaron Rodgers when its all said and done… Rodgers is only like a year or so younger than Ben… he could be done at any time…

You be nice to our future starting QB. What is better than 1 elite QB? 2 elite QBs in subsequent years.

 

[TDX27]

Heck, one article (I think on ESPN) had us snagging Fitzpatrick (39 and coming off knee surgery) next year as a one-year stop gap. I was thinking, is this guy a complete ******* moron? Why the **** would the Steelers even consider that? If you are going to go with Fitz, you are much better off convincing Ben to come back for one more year. These so-called experts are total dumbasses.

 

[madinsomniac]

Im fine with keeping our assets next year and investing in building the team up.. stick with rudolph but bring in a vet backup just in case… two years from now draft a qb if you think a franchise guy exists … if not continue to build up thecrest of the team so its plug and play when you do get one

Its ok to take some low round moon shots on qbs with high upside and questions too… just dont reach for a qb in the draft please

 

[insaniti]

Heck, one article (I think on ESPN) had us snagging Fitzpatrick (39 and coming off knee surgery) next year as a one-year stop gap. I was thinking, is this guy a complete ******* moron? Why the **** would the Steelers even consider that? If you are going to go with Fitz, you are much better off convincing Ben to come back for one more year. These so-called experts are total dumbasses.

The same article later gave a scenario where we sign Marcus Marriotta.

 

[TDX27]

Im fine with keeping our assets next year and investing in building the team up.. stick with rudolph but bring in a vet backup just in case… two years from now draft a qb if you think a franchise guy exists … if not continue to build up thecrest of the team so its plug and play when you do get one

Its ok to take some low round moon shots on qbs with high upside and questions too… just dont reach for a qb in the draft please

If Ben leaves, they will be grabbing some vet in free agency and maybe two. They need 3 QB's on the roster and other than Rudolph, there is no guarantee Hastings even makes the team next year. He probably will but you never know. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. If Ben does stay, I think it will be because they actually asked him to stay.

 

[skialta]

All the talking head outsiders and idiot fans that blame everything on Ben while not even addressing the leagues 32nd best OL and a completely inept coaching staff are really getting tiresome with that narrative.

Those same clowns dog Najee and his Trent Richardsonesque numbers. How TF is any running back supposed to succeed with this straight up TRASH Oline?

 

[madinsomniac]

Those same clowns dog Najee and his Trent Richardsonesque numbers. How TF is any running back supposed to succeed with this straight up TRASH Oline?

They don’t… thats why you fix the line before you stock the skill players

 

[skialta]

Agreed 500 percent

 

[TDX27]

I sure hope Ben makes an announcement prior to the game if he, in fact, is going to retire. He deserves the biggest of big standing ovations from the crowd. I think he will get an ovation even if he doesn't make the announcement but it would be nice if he did.

 

[diver]

I sure hope Ben makes an announcement prior to the game if he, in fact, is going to retire. He deserves the biggest of big standing ovations from the crowd. I think he will get an ovation even if he doesn't make the announcement but it would be nice if he did.

I'd be surprised if he did. One thing I think Ben has developed that he gets no credit for is his character. How won't want anything distracting from the game. If he does retire, he'll come back next year for a game and get all that at a half time ceremony.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Not that I would disagree with either of your guys points. But I would say that it’s just apples to oranges. Ben had a great supporting cast as did Terry. The difference would be Free Agency. Terry’s teams stayed together longer because they really didn’t have too much choice. That’s just the way it was back then. If you don’t think some of those legends wouldn’t have bolted for the big you’re crazy.

When Ben does retire,the debate about who was better will gobble up thousands upon thousands of posts on the dear Steeler Nation. Fitting I guess,after all it’s a Steeler forum. To me it really doesn’t matter who was better,different eras.
As I’m a little older than some here It’s been a privilege to be able to watch both careers in their entirety.

For me also,the great thing is I have passed along the torch. My beautiful son is also a diehard Steelers fan. We have many animated arguments above the way the direction of the team should go. Love it!

Cherish the time spent argueing with your son over the STEELERS, it's time together and spent on a passion between yaz.

I too am blessed with watching both careers. I' not so sure if Terry could have played in todays NFL where-as I' sure BEN could have played in Terry's era.





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[Drink IRON City]

If Ben leaves, they will be grabbing some vet in free agency and maybe two. They need 3 QB's on the roster and other than Rudolph, there is no guarantee Hastings even makes the team next year. He probably will but you never know. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. If Ben does stay, I think it will be because they actually asked him to stay.

Won't make any difference either way unless that OL & Coaching gets it together.




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[Ironcitysteelers]

Still think

I sure hope Ben makes an announcement prior to the game if he, in fact, is going to retire. He deserves the biggest of big standing ovations from the crowd. I think he will get an ovation even if he doesn't make the announcement but it would be nice if he did.

he is going elsewhere but I hear ya.


What I want to see is BB say **** it and call his game. Run what he wants **** the OC

 

[diver]

Cherish the time spent argueing with your son over the STEELERS, it's time together and spent on a passion between yaz.

I too am blessed with watching both careers. I' not so sure if Terry could have played in todays NFL where-as I' sure BEN could have played in Terry's era.





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I think any good QB from that era could play today. Imagine those guys playing today, where you can't hit them high, you can't hit them low (amazing how that itself improves accuracy) and receivers can run scot free all over the place. That is why as good as Brady or Ben or Rodgers is I just hesitate slightly to say any of them is the best of all time.

 

[diver]

I don't know if I'd say a guy from Bradshaw's was is the best of all time either. I'm old, but I'm not one of those old curmudgeons who thinks everything was better years ago. It was just different.