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More Important Play in Steeler History

Immaculate Reception or Holmes SB43


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The Ben to Holmes play was way more important than the Harrison play, everyone says it was a 14 point swing, no one knows for sure if Arizona would got six if Harrison didn't catch that ball, what we know is that TD to Holmes won the game

No, it gave them the lead.
The defense had to come out and stop the Cardinals, who had 35 seconds left and managed to get to the Steelers 44 yard line with 15 seconds left before the Woodley fumble sack.
 
The poll/thread is titled "More IMPORTANT play in Steelers history".
It does not say the greatest play.
So in our Franchise's history, the more IMPORTANT play is, and will forever be, The Immaculate Reception.
For all the reasons already stated here.
It beat the Raiders, which there was no love lost at the time.
It was the play that signified the shift from perennial losers to dynasty.
There have been countless television specials devoted to just that one single play. Analyzing it. Having CIA agents, mathematicians, engineers, physicists along with NFL historians, coaches, players, and fans dissecting it and speaking at great length about its significance.
Ben and Santonio's throw and catch will NEVER have any of that.......ever.
100 years from now, the Immaculate Reception will still be more talked about and revered more than SB43 TD catch.

Besides, the GREATEST play, and even the more IMPORTANT, play in SB43 is Deebo's pick six.
 
Ben to Holmes. But whatever. You are still projecting significance onto the play. Which one won a title?? Which one won a divisional game?? And then they lost next week. I get this we were down in the dumps story. I truly do. But once you divorce yourself from the lore of it. It isn't even really close. It just isn't.
 
Had the Steelers not lost to the undefeated dolphins the following week on a fake kick, their first Superbowl would have been 72'
 
So does the 1976 Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Harrison play was more impressive, but the TD pass/catch far more important and clutch.
 
I think Donald Trump needs to start a registry of everyone voting for Holmes' catch. Who knows what those people might do.
 
Personally I think this whole thing is indicative of Roethlisberger's career as a whole. When he wins it becomes about stats. When he has stats it becomes about wins. Ask yourself this very simple question. If Marriotta takes the Titans to the championship and throws a game winner like that. Do you really think there fan base would say, we'll it's no music city miracle. Really.
 
Cliff Harris, meet your daddy:

The best part of that actually is that the KICKER gets into it with Harris before Lambert even gets there. The KICKER is a certified bad-***!
 
If that was Brady that threw a td to take the lead in a super bowl like that with 40 seconds left, we'd never hear or see the end of it
 
I don't think anyone is discounting The Ben to Holmes play, but in terms of historical significance, particularly in terms of this franchise, it can't be compared to The Immaculate Reception. WTF is going on here, exactly?
 
If that was Brady that threw a td to take the lead in a lowB repuS like that with 40 seconds left, we'd never hear or see the end of it
Applause, applause, applause. Every one of their lowB repuSs either ended with a kick or an important defensive play ala Malcolm Butler. If Brady did that it would be on a permanent NFLN loop.
 
Couple things:

So at 11 years old you knew what this play meant to the city of Pittsburgh and their football team while living in north Carolina? Ok

Ya, the thing is, you fellas from Pittsburgh don't get to give us guys from other states **** about being fans. We love the team just as well as you. Your geographic proximity doesn't make you "better fans". It just makes it easier for you to attend games. Some of us grew up in economically depressed communities too. Some of us have dealt with **** in our lives as well. We have leaned on the Steelers for comfort, for joy, and we've dealt with heartache when they've lost just as you have. So no **** please because we didn't grow up 4 miles from one of the stadiums. When WE come to a game, we spend THOUSANDS. We save for YEARS to get over there just ONCE OR TWICE. You get to go several times a year. We envy your tailgates and your photos from the stadium. So please, no **** about us not being "real fans". Ok?

Uhh, first it was Northern California.

Second, my dad was attending Steelers games when he and maybe 10,000 others were. He is Pittsburgh born-and-raised, and a Duquesne graduate (1948). Art Rooney used to come to the campus on Fridays and hand out tickets to try and boost attendance and generate interest.

I knew a ****-ton about the Steelers as of 1970. I knew how bad they had been. I knew their new coach was improving the team. I knew that they had two Terry's battling for the QB position.

So if you want to question how much I knew about the Steelers, go right ahead.

Harrisons play was much more impressive than Ben to Holmes.
You don't have to justify a ******* thing. It's called Steeler Nation. Not Steeler Pittsburgh. Not Steeler Statisticians. I'm offended at the very thought of somebody questioning a guy on the other side of the ******* country who's pledged himself as a lifelong Steeler fan. Be grateful that when the Steelers go to Oakland or Seattle or San Francisco this guy may just be ONE of the terrible towels waving in the stands.

in other news...

Harrisons play was much more impressive than Ben to Holmes.
I respectfully disagree. Harrison made a great play on the ball, no question. Then he ran a really long way, with blockers. He even hurdled a guy or two. Buy by and large he had a relatively unimpeded route to the end-zone until the last yard where he was tumbled into the end-zone. It was a great play and absolutely a game-changing play. But the Ben to Holmes TD was perfect. The throw was perfect, the catch was perfect and the toes down were perfect. The fact that the ball was thrown over 3 Cardinal defenders to a place where ONLY Holmes had a play on it (and a really tough ******* play at that), and the fact that Holmes was able to make the catch, control the ball and get his toes down was absolutely ridiculous.

The question was, what play had a greater impact on Steeler history.

The Immaculate Reception won a playoff game against the Raiders. The 2nd ever playoff win for the franchise. The following week the Steelers lost and were out of the playoffs.

The Catch won an NFL leading 6th SB title for the Steelers. Who had come from behind in the waning seconds of the game to engineer a 90 yard drive down the field to take the lead.

Now I suppose you can argue that the FANS appreciate the fact that the Steelers finally won a playoff game. But that wasn't the question. The question was what was the greater play for Steeler Franchise History. Objectively, the 6th Superbowl victory catch would be the call rather than a catch that lead to the teams 2nd ever playoff victory in an otherwise forgettable season. Harsh, sure. But true.
 
Love all you out of state fans, but most of you just don't get it. You don't.
 
I just don't think the ben-holmes play gets the credit it deserves, had to be a perfect throw over defenders, catch had to be perfect.
The immaculate reception was a broken play, and IMO had nothing to do with winning a super bowl(s)
 
Maybe I don't get it. But I'm as much a fan as anyone here. I've been to games with my family the last three years. With the cost of it If I lived in Pittsburgh I'd have aftermarket tickets to every game. And when I've gone I've seen great seats sit empty in prime spots in packs of two, three and four. What is that telling you.
 
Couple things:



Ya, the thing is, you fellas from Pittsburgh don't get to give us guys from other states **** about being fans. We love the team just as well as you. Your geographic proximity doesn't make you "better fans". It just makes it easier for you to attend games. Some of us grew up in economically depressed communities too. Some of us have dealt with **** in our lives as well. We have leaned on the Steelers for comfort, for joy, and we've dealt with heartache when they've lost just as you have. So no **** please because we didn't grow up 4 miles from one of the stadiums. When WE come to a game, we spend THOUSANDS. We save for YEARS to get over there just ONCE OR TWICE. You get to go several times a year. We envy your tailgates and your photos from the stadium. So please, no **** about us not being "real fans". Ok?

You don't have to justify a ******* thing. It's called Steeler Nation. Not Steeler Pittsburgh. Not Steeler Statisticians. I'm offended at the very thought of somebody questioning a guy on the other side of the ******* country who's pledged himself as a lifelong Steeler fan. Be grateful that when the Steelers go to Oakland or Seattle or San Francisco this guy may just be ONE of the terrible towels waving in the stands.

in other news...

I respectfully disagree. Harrison made a great play on the ball, no question. Then he ran a really long way, with blockers. He even hurdled a guy or two. Buy by and large he had a relatively unimpeded route to the end-zone until the last yard where he was tumbled into the end-zone. It was a great play and absolutely a game-changing play. But the Ben to Holmes TD was perfect. The throw was perfect, the catch was perfect and the toes down were perfect. The fact that the ball was thrown over 3 Cardinal defenders to a place where ONLY Holmes had a play on it (and a really tough ******* play at that), and the fact that Holmes was able to make the catch, control the ball and get his toes down was absolutely ridiculous.

The question was, what play had a greater impact on Steeler history.

The Immaculate Reception won a playoff game against the Raiders. The 2nd ever playoff win for the franchise. The following week the Steelers lost and were out of the playoffs.

The Catch won an NFL leading 6th SB title for the Steelers. Who had come from behind in the waning seconds of the game to engineer a 90 yard drive down the field to take the lead.

Now I suppose you can argue that the FANS appreciate the fact that the Steelers finally won a playoff game. But that wasn't the question. The question was what was the greater play for Steeler Franchise History. Objectively, the 6th Superbowl victory catch would be the call rather than a catch that lead to the teams 2nd ever playoff victory in an otherwise forgettable season. Harsh, sure. But true.

Really Wig, I don't think it can be better stated than that. Dead on.
 
oh Lambert.


I just jizzed in my pants.

(not really but that moment was worthy of it lol)

The reaction of the two players after Lambert tossed Harris to the ground like a little girl ...

Harris is looking to the official, "waaaah."

Lambert is looking at Harris and gestures with his thumb, "Get the @$%@ out of here."
 
How about the bet Art Rooney made at the horse track that gave him the money to start the team. Or is that urban legend?

That is true from what I understand.

I also heard that the story of Rooney winning a ton at the track is true. He won a parlay, and used the winnings to pay for the Steelers.
 
I'm not trolling here, but I've never seen a replay that ever difinitively showed me that Holmes had both toes in contact with the turf when he caught the ball. It was a bang bang play, ruled a TD on the field, so the replay had to show beyond a doubt, that it was not a TD. The replay showed that. But if the call was reversed and not ruled a TD, and Tomlin challenged, I don't think the play would have been ruled a TD.

The best picture/angle I have of this play is a blowup that I have hanging on my wall. One toe is firmly planted in the grass, the other is not, but looks to be touching the top of the blades of grass. From what I've seen watching football, both feet must be in contact with the ground, not the grass, to be a complete catch. It was fortunate that the play went the way it did for us, and even adds a little mystique for me. The way all great plays do.

The same can be said about Harrison's return. Was he down before he crossed the plane? That was a close review as well. But the odds were ever in the Steelers favor that game!
 
I understand that you can't underplay the importance of Franco's catch and run.

However in the greater scheme of things that lead to a playoff win, nothing more. If you want to truly analyze the play and it's repercussions, you have to recognize that the entire thing was a mistake. The play was intended for another receiver, was broken up and Franco merely caught the deflected ball by accident.

Holmes catch, on the other hand was the result of one of the most impressive 2 minute offensive drives in SB history. Roethlisberger carved up an Arizona defense that had been pressuring him hugely throughout the 2nd half and particularly in the 4th quarter. The entire drive was vintage Roethlisberger. The final play, the TD pass which resulted in the full circle for Pittsburgh going from a complete loser-ville team like the Browns to the league leading title holder was a thing of absolute beauty. The pass was perfect, the catch was acrobatic and the moment was truly poetic.

Franco's catch was amazing. It was amazingly lucky. Of course any Steeler fan is thrilled about it and happy that years of futility ended with a win, particularly over the Raiders. But let's not forget that it was in fact - a fluke. That's why it's called the "Immaculate Reception".

Was it any less of a fluke when Vanderjagt, one of the most accurate kickers in NFL history missed a gimme FG after Ben's tackle?

The Immaculate Reception has a very special place in Steeler Lore. It "may" have been the first indication of things to come for Pittsburgh. But as mentioned, I suspect the draft class had less do to with that catch and more do with good scouting and excellent fortune.

Bermuda aligns his approval w/ this statement.

I do love the comparison - this should bode for some very good discussion...
 
I'm not trolling here, but I've never seen a replay that ever difinitively showed me that Holmes had both toes in contact with the turf when he caught the ball. It was a bang bang play, ruled a TD on the field, so the replay had to show beyond a doubt, that it was not a TD. The replay showed that. But if the call was reversed and not ruled a TD, and Tomlin challenged, I don't think the play would have been ruled a TD.

The best picture/angle I have of this play is a blowup that I have hanging on my wall. One toe is firmly planted in the grass, the other is not, but looks to be touching the top of the blades of grass. From what I've seen watching football, both feet must be in contact with the ground, not the grass, to be a complete catch. It was fortunate that the play went the way it did for us, and even adds a little mystique for me. The way all great plays do.

The same can be said about Harrison's return. Was he down before he crossed the plane? That was a close review as well. But the odds were ever in the Steelers favor that game!

that is absurd.... there were plenty of stills that showed both toes in and possession. This has been discussed ad nauseum when it happened. The immaculate reception no one knows, because there were never any definitive angles... and I think the people involved didn't really know either. that is part of what made it such a flashpoint play.

The ultimate point is that immaculate reception was symbolic more than important... its showed Noll was stacking the team with players with drive, talent, football instinct, and intellect. That season led to nothing in the big picture. Its more important for the fans than the team.
 
History..............History..............History
 
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