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Najee for Taylor

steel dino said:
They will be fine Bermuda
So you’re saying this year is a wash already since we have five bums on the online?
I’m not ready to go there ..
Running back style makes a huge difference … just compare productivity between our two backs..

Throw a J Taylor in the mix and his production would exceed warrens by far ..

Najee is built perfect for ravens, titans, 49ers, Colts type Olines ..

22 is a good player in wrong system.
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Running back style means nothing when guys are not blocked I dont care who it is. If the line is not blocking the right people there are going to be free defenders or defenders in the hole. On the one sack Pickett took we had more lineman than rushers and a guy came in untouched. I am not ready to say the lineman suck. Seems to be more of a coaching / scheme issue where guys do not know what they are doing. Warren had one carry for -1 yrd. He was very good receiving, but rushing if he had 20 carries I doubt his rushing stat line would have looked better than Najee. Taylor is a good back, but it is a waste of a pick to bring him onto this mess.
 
I'd be real interested to go back and watch last 7 games last year and see what they did formation and spacing wise. They just seemed so packed in with like 8 or 9 defenders within 5 yards of the LOS . So they sled downhill and if it's pass the run stuff becomes insta pressure.
 
CoolieMan said:
no warren hasn't been

when Najee got healthy last year he was much better

warren isn't gaining anything behind this line either

I have no Najee agenda

I want the best bac to play

Najee is still better
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73% of Najee's touches gain less than 2 yards. Fact
 
Kinda like Bennie Snell.
 
I probably would do it straight up. Reason being Najee is cheap this and next year. I don't see us offering him the 5th year option unless he blows up the rest of the year. Taylor has been offered a "market" contract. What is market? McCaffrey 16 million, Chubb and Kamara are like 15 million. So my guess is in that range. To long term sign him I am guess is north of 16 million so like 18 for argument sakes. So we might need to free up a little space but I don't see it being that difficult. The question is would Taylor run that much better behind our interior line? I mean we are getting blown back off the LOS in run blocking or just whiffing on assignments.
 
FordFairLane said:
I probably would do it straight up. Reason being Najee is cheap this and next year. I don't see us offering him the 5th year option unless he blows up the rest of the year. Taylor has been offered a "market" contract. What is market? McCaffrey 16 million, Chubb and Kamara are like 15 million. So my guess is in that range. To long term sign him I am guess is north of 16 million so like 18 for argument sakes. So we might need to free up a little space but I don't see it being that difficult. The question is would Taylor run that much better behind our interior line? I mean we are getting blown back off the LOS in run blocking or just whiffing on assignments.
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I think Taylor is much more elusive, has better anticipation, a d is much quicker than Najee..
He would be a tremendous upgrade over Najee IMO..
 
steel dino said:
I think Taylor is much more elusive, has better anticipation, a d is much quicker than Najee..
He would be a tremendous upgrade over Najee IMO..
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I agree. But contractual wise it would be a substantial increase in cost. What I like from JT is if he gets the corner he can take it to the house where we are lucky to get 10-20 yards from Najee. But my one hesitation would be I could draft a guy next year like Blake Corum who is projected a mid second round and work him into the rotation and let Najee walk in 2025 and save a ton in cap space.
 
The Steelers have done well with slow backs in the past. Bettis and Bell were not taking it to the house. I think Najee is faster than both of them, but najee is shell shocked and hesitant now. The Steelers may have managed to ruin both Pickett and Najee with such a poor blocking system.
 
Najee seems to be missing the "BURN" to be and ***kicker. Jerome always carried the lumber, reason he was so slow, but OH MY GOODNESS!!! when you went to tackle him, that might have been the biggest mistake of your life, because he was the one delivering the lumber to you when he hit you. Najee does not run with that attitude or burn. He thinks it will extend his career, doubtful if that will be with the Steelers! Consider the O guards, pick one and replace with B. Jones he can not be worse.

Salute the restless Nation
 
Whatever your take on Najee is, everyone should agree that in no way should he have been selected with a first round pick. Unless the player is a generational talent, you don’t go RB in the first round anymore.
 
Ye Black Knight said:
Whatever your take on Najee is, everyone should agree that in no way should he have been selected with a first round pick. Unless the player is a generational talent, you don’t go RB in the first round anymore.
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Absolutely, but no use crying over spilled milk… he is here… we should be trying to maximize his value while he is still in the rookie deal…
 
Steelers Depot had a great analysis of our first 2 games and our run game. Najee has the better YPC but overall it is meaningless as our run game sucks. They showed how bad our schemes and execution from the OL and even WR's blocking. It truly is a complete shiznit show. If you can find it, watch it. It truly shows how bad Canaduh and our OL coach truly are with how they approach blocking.
 
713 touches in the nfl ........ nothing over 40 yards. Of course our expectations for what was considered the best running back in the draft class was a few breakaway runs.
 
bermudasteel said:
Are you insinuating that Buckeye looks like me??
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”Fat, Drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life” : Animal House Dean

With proper work and exercise, I feel both you two can turn this thing around. HellA, SteelBuckeye has already shown signs of sobriety so berm, you can use that as motivation……………………….


Salute the nation
 
Steelmann said:
713 touches in the nfl ........ nothing over 40 yards. Of course our expectations for what was considered the best running back in the draft class was a few breakaway runs.
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Rushed for 100 yds exactly 4 times in 37 games.
under 50yds rushing 16 games
under 65 yds rushing 22 games
 
If both were on the same contract I would make that deal, but they aren't. Taylor is much better than Najee, just not worth making a trade given his contract demands.
 
DesertSteel said:
Najee is a bust! But hey, Wasn't it the Colts who traded for Trent Richardson?
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A. If you got 2 1,000 yard seasons out of a back in two seasons, he really isn’t a “bust”….
B. As people have already started to point out, Harris looks a lot like Lynch did before Buffalo traded him to Seattle…

Richardson got 950 yards his first season then never even got to 600 any year afterwards
 
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Najee is far from a bust. He had over 1,500 yards from scrimmage and 10 TD's as a rookie with what was considered by many as the worst OC and worst OL in the NFL. Last year he hurt his lis franc and wore a metal plate in his shoe for almost half the year. After the bye week, he was a beast and still got his 1,000 yards running. This year neither he nor Warren are doing any running. Najee is a very good receiver out of the backfield but they are using Warren more there this year. Najee's YPC is higher than Warren so far but neither has many carries and they just played possibly the best 2 D's against the run and if not the best, definitely top 5. And, the OL we thought improved on paper has been absolutely terrible. That also may not be the OL but coaching and how they are trying to block as has been shown over on Steeler Depot and by other expert analysts.
 
madinsomniac said:
A. If you got 2 1,000 yard seasons out of a back in two seasons, he really isn’t a “bust”….
B. As people have already started to point out, Harris looks a lot like Lynch did before Buffalo traded him to Seattle…

Richardson got 950 yards his first season then never even got to 600 any year afterwards
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Based on where he was drafted, I put him on the lower end of the Bust scale. 1,000 yard season mean very little in today's NFL, especially for a coach like Tomlin who uses the bell cow approach. I don't think Najee will ever get 4 YPC in his career. While he has similar numbers to Lynch in his first 36 starts, I don't think he looks similar. Warren is a better running back and he's a walk-on, not the top recruit. Najee definitely has a role with the team, but he was wildly overdrafted. Terrell Edmunds was a better R1 pick than Najee.
 
steel dino said:
They will be fine Bermuda
So you’re saying this year is a wash already since we have five bums on the online?
I’m not ready to go there ..
Running back style makes a huge difference … just compare productivity between our two backs..

Throw a J Taylor in the mix and his production would exceed warrens by far ..

Najee is built perfect for ravens, titans, 49ers, Colts type Olines ..

22 is a good player in wrong system.
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NO one is good in our "system".
 
madinsomniac said:
Hey guys… if we just replace James Conner the run game will be better… oh wait … that first round pick didn’t fix the run game… lets trade him and another pick for another Back… that’ll fix it….
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"But if we spend four times as much on the guy running into three defenders in the backfield, the running game will be much better."
- J. Taylor Advocates
 
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