Narratives

[Avoid_Lloyd]

I have often been accused of being a Tomlin apologist. But I have never tried to defend his record and have stated a number of times he shouldn't have this job due to the facts...his record. It is some of the narratives I object to.

Narcissist-a person who has excessive interest in or admiration of themselves

You’ve got to be the first person in months, maybe years to start a NEW thread about how you’re being viewed first, football 2nd

The biggest reason the offense is better this year is because Rodgers is now holding coaches and players accountable, you know…the head coaches job

 

[diver]

Narcissist-a person who has excessive interest in or admiration of themselves

You’ve got to be the first person in months, maybe years to start a NEW thread about how you’re being viewed first, football 2nd

The biggest reason the offense is better this year is because Rodgers is now holding coaches and players accountable, you know…the head coaches job

Ya think? Maybe it was. I just feel like with guys like you who see Tomlin BAD! in everything, you probably see it in your eggs in the morning, it was important to explain that I have never defended his record. I challenge you to find where I have.

You are quite right, Rodgers has a lot to do with things, which goes to my point that players are more responsible, since they play. I have been consistent with that. But it seems like you want to give players credit when things go better, but it is all the coaches when it goes bad. That's the opposite of consistent. But in your it's all the on the coaches attitude all the time, answer the question. Is Pat Meyer now a good OL coach?

It isn't just the coaches responsibility to hold players accountable. One of the features of the Steeler championship teams, probably most championship teams, is players also hold each other accountable.

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

Ya think? Maybe it was. I just feel like with guys like you who see Tomlin BAD! in everything, you probably see it in your eggs in the morning, it was important to explain that I have never defended his record. I challenge you to find where I have.

You are quite right, Rodgers has a lot to do with things, which goes to my point that players are more responsible, since they play. I have been consistent with that. But it seems like you want to give players credit when things go better, but it is all the coaches when it goes bad. That's the opposite of consistent. But in your it's all the on the coaches attitude all the time, answer the question. Is Pat Meyer now a good OL coach?

It isn't just the coaches responsibility to hold players accountable. One of the features of the Steeler championship teams, probably most championship teams, is players also hold each other accountable.

No he’s not, they don’t consistently run block well and the constant quick release backwards and lateral passing game mask their inability to pass block, this is a line with 2 first round draft picks, a second round draft pick, and a high end free agent.

The reason why they ran that pitch on 4th and goal at the end of the first half is everyone knows his highly invested in oline can’t impose their will when they need to, it’s been that way for years

We all know PFF is garbage and subjective, you brining it up just makes you look dumber, as usual

 

[diver]

No he’s not, they don’t consistently run block well and the quick release backwards and lateral passing game mask their inability to pass block, this is a line with 2 first round draft picks, a second round draft pick, and a high end free agent.

The reason why they ran that pitch on 4th and goal at the end of the first half is everyone knows his highly invested in oline can’t impose their will when they need to, it’s been that way for years

We all know PFF is garbage and subjective, you brining it up just makes you look dumber, as usual

Aw, more insults. You really might hurt my feelings.

Williamson from Scouts Eye, who was in professional scouting, has said that PFF is better than people give it credit for.

That misdirection pitch play the Steelers ran years ago when they had great lines. It doesn't have anything to do with imposing will. It's a good play on 1st or 2nd down. On 4th down, it's a terrible play. The status of the line has nothing to do with it. Also, all teams are doing the lateral passing game stuff. If you watch more than casually, you really see it.

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

Aw, more insults. You really might hurt my feelings.

Williamson from Scouts Eye, who was in professional scouting, has said that PFF is better than people give it credit for.

That misdirection pitch play the Steelers ran years ago when they had great lines. It doesn't have anything to do with imposing will. It's a good play on 1st or 2nd down. On 4th down, it's a terrible play. The status of the line has nothing to do with it. Also, all teams are doing the lateral passing game stuff. If you watch more than casually, you really see it.

More random antidotes to justify your nonsense, 1 guy says PFF is “better than people give it credit for” wow what an endorsement

Do all teams pass laterally over 70% of the time? Why does Rodgers have the lowest pass length in the league? Has he been like that in most of his career? We all know Tomlins offense has looked like this for years and years

But by all means continue your own personal thread about your bruised ego because people see right thru you…it’s hilarious

 

[diver]

More random antidotes to justify your nonsense, 1 guy says PFF is “better than people give it credit for” wow what an endorsement

Do all teams pass laterally over 70% of the time? Why does Rodgers have the lowest pass length in the league? Has he been like that in most of his career? We all know Tomlins offense has looked like this for years and years

But by all means continue your own personal thread about your bruised ego because people see right thru you…it’s hilarious

Some of the personal stuff you go to is odd to me. Bruised ego? See right through me? Completely irrelevant on a message board in which few of us probably know each other. It matters not at all to me if you think you see through me, since we will more than likely never meet.

I mention Williamson because he has been there. You have not and neither have I. So someone with experience in the world should have a better understanding than those who have not.

Not everyone has a 42 year old QB with a broken wrist. And I acknowledge that the offense has looked similar. But all offenses in the NFL are doing it to some degree.

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

Not everyone has a 42 year old QB with a broken wrist. And I acknowledge that the offense has looked similar. But all offenses in the NFL are doing it to some degree.

Not everyone’s been doing it for 8 years over multiple coordinators and 5 quarterbacks (2 of them hall of famers)-but Tomlin has

Knock yourself out-go right on making your excuses for him and focusing on random minutia-it’s your thing

 

[Lunar]

Two of the starting db's we began the year with are no longer on the team.
And not due to injury


Let that sink in .

 

[SteelerFan448]

Meyer's groups have improved throughout the year each season he's been here. The problem is the floor starts so low and it takes forever to see the improvement. All of the drafted OL have improved as well and the pass blocking has been good this season. However, the pass blocking is good because they use extra blockers all the time. The scheme is also designed to get the ball out quick so the defense is gonna play the Steelers differently.

I also think the offensive line plays better as individuals than a full unit. There are other OL coaches who could take this group from a young, improving unit to one of the best in the league.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Narratives,, aren't they truth benders to make the unpalatable palatable??

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Keep in mind that Tomlin has a lot of input in building this roster every year.
Some act like Tomlin is just dropped into training camp each year and told to coach this team. He builds this team!
Example… Sean Peyton drafts franchise QB Bo Nix in the middle of the draft.
Tomlin overdrafts Pickett, signs retreads Trubisky, Fields, Wilson, and Rodgers.
Sure Kahn is the GM but if you actually think Kahn adds and subtracts players without Tomlin’s approval you’re delusional.
Nineteen years is far too long for any coach to be with one organization.
An organization needs to refresh itself and bring in younger, innovative, new ideas, and adapt to the times. It’s no different than any other business.
This is stale!

Somehow Kevin Colbert was good at drafting HOF'ers and Pro Bowlers up until 2007, after 2007 not so much.

 

[slashsteel]

Somehow Kevin Colbert was good at drafting HOF'ers and Pro Bowlers up until 2007, after 2007 not so much.

Per A I

“post-2007 picks

• Maurkice Pouncey (2010) – 9× Pro Bowl
• Antonio Brown (2010) – 7× Pro Bowl, 4× All-Pro
• Cameron Heyward (2011) – multiple All-Pros, future HOF borderline
• David DeCastro (2012) – 6× Pro Bowl
• T.J. Watt (2017) – DPOY, future HOF
• Le’Veon Bell (2013) – All-Pro peak
• Mike Wallace (2009) – Pro Bowler

 

[steelhurt]

Somehow Kevin Colbert was good at drafting HOF'ers and Pro Bowlers up until 2007, after 2007 not so much.

Colbert and Cowher worked great as a team.

 

[WindyCitySteel]

Somehow Kevin Colbert was good at drafting HOF'ers and Pro Bowlers up until 2007, after 2007 not so much.

Donahoe was a genius in Pittsburgh, a dolt in Buffalo. Colbert was a dullard in Detroit, a genius under Cowher, a drooling moron under Tomlin.

Bill Cowher is one of the most underrated coaches in history,

 

[WindyCitySteel]

Per A I

“post-2007 picks

• Maurkice Pouncey (2010) – 9× Pro Bowl
• Antonio Brown (2010) – 7× Pro Bowl, 4× All-Pro
• Cameron Heyward (2011) – multiple All-Pros, future HOF borderline
• David DeCastro (2012) – 6× Pro Bowl
• T.J. Watt (2017) – DPOY, future HOF
• Le’Veon Bell (2013) – All-Pro peak
• Mike Wallace (2009) – Pro Bowler

That it stops at 2017 is telling. In his 7 seasons prior to 2007?

Snack, K Bell, Ben, Troy, Heath, Tone were all stars. Also, Marvel Smith, Max Starks, Plaxico, Ike, AR-E, Footey, Keisel, Haggans, McFadden, Essex, Colon were all key contributors.

 

[diver]

Narratives,, aren't they truth benders to make the unpalatable palatable??

Or to sway opinion.

 

[bigben]

I liked how you raised the bar to HOF. They had QBs like Bledsoe and McNabb, pro bowlers. Tomlin had Duck Hodges and Kenny Pickett. I'm not excusing Tomlin and said he needs to go. As for Gibbs, I think he's the greatest coach of all time for the reason you mentioned.

Tomlin hand picked Kenny Pickett.

 

[bigben]

No he’s not, they don’t consistently run block well and the constant quick release backwards and lateral passing game mask their inability to pass block, this is a line with 2 first round draft picks, a second round draft pick, and a high end free agent.

The reason why they ran that pitch on 4th and goal at the end of the first half is everyone knows his highly invested in oline can’t impose their will when they need to, it’s been that way for years

We all know PFF is garbage and subjective, you brining it up just makes you look dumber, as usual

The O-line is far from Elite. They can't run block without the Jumbo package and have been at the bottom of the league rushing since leveon Bell left.
Aaron Rodgers is HOF QB and had to have the quickest release in the league just to avoid sacks.
The O-line has looked much better since Cook, but lets put things in perspective.

 

[madinsomniac]

In NFL history there have been about 537 nfl head coaches.

Of these 72% have a career that lasts 5 years or less...
only 13% of them will have a career that lasts ten years or more... not just with one team, but across multiple teams... long tenures with a single team are extremely rare... its mostly 5 to 7 years abd out even for good coaches

You can count on one hand coaches that went 8 years without a playoff win without getting let go... the only two i can think of in the super bowl era were Marvin lewis and Jim mora...

People acting like its a massive wrong with Harbaugh getting let go or if Tomlin gets replaced arent acknowledging the reality of NFL coaching... sticking with a guy no longer producing rarely leads to a championship...

people bring up Cowher in this debate all the time, but Cowher was at least getting to AFC CGs... he won a lot of playoff games... he won in a higher percentage of years than Noll or Tomlin..

Teams that just stay the course with these above average head coaches long term arent rewarded.. guys like Jeff fisher, Marvin Lewis, Jim mora, or even the Dolphins staying the course with Don Shula so long ... they didnt get rewarded from that... closer to home, Nolls post 70's numbers were not good... he had two playoff wins in 11 years and only a single 10 win season in that timeframe.. we know Noll was great, but dated philosophies just didnt translate.. the front office was forcing staff changes on him by the end...

Maybe, just maybe, this Steeler team magically fixes all its problems and makes a magic run to a super bowl... that the hope, but this season has been a coaching disaster... the Defense was abysmal, especially in the secondary where the HC and DC specialize... the Offense remains pedestrian... particularly bad in the first quarter...

There were so many coaching flubs that lost games that had they missed the playoffs, (which came down to a missed kick in a game that should not have been close) the clamor for Tomlins coaching head would have been unimaginable.

This isnt a narrative... Tomlin has an 8 year fail streak and he is the guy with the most control in the org.. its all on him... barring a long playoff run, its probably just time to move on... no hate here... he had a fantastic start and a HOF worthy run, but every coach needs a reset occasionally..

 

[DesertSteel]

Russell Wilson may be in the HOF, he was a pro bowl QB a few times. Tomlin drafted Pickett.

Not likely. And he certainly wasn't that caliber with the Steelers.

 

[DesertSteel]

Tomlin hand picked Kenny Pickett.

Lots of good coaches have picked QBs that sucked. Tomlin haters can never even acknowledge anything positive. That's what discredits them. They can't even have a reasonable conversation with other fans who also want Tomlin gone.

 

[diver]

The O-line is far from Elite. They can't run block without the Jumbo package and have been at the bottom of the league rushing since leveon Bell left.
Aaron Rodgers is HOF QB and had to have the quickest release in the league just to avoid sacks.
The O-line has looked much better since Cook, but lets put things in perspective.

Lots of teams are using jumbo packages. It seems that is how a number of teams successfully run the ball. I heard something a few years ago and I wish I could remember who was saying it. It was someone who was in NFL scouting at one point. Anyway, he talked about for some reason today the best big athletic players are playing defensive line instead of offensive line. If that's the case we may see a lot more jumbo packages all over the league so the lesser athletes on the offensive line can be successful.

Rodgers being 42 with a banged up wrist also contributed to the quick release.

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

Lots of good coaches have picked QBs that sucked. Tomlin haters can never even acknowledge anything positive. That's what discredits them. They can't even have a reasonable conversation with other fans who also want Tomlin gone.

And the point of defending him on little things when he overall badly failed would be??

I know why Diver does it, how about you?

Classifying someone as a “Hater” is dumb and lazy, to me it says you’ve either been here 5 minutes, aren’t paying attention, or have no other real argument. Show us all the times someone has said they “hate” Mike Tomlin.

Saying he’s done a terrible job and he should be fired and hating the man personally are two very different things

 

[diver]

And the point of defending him on little things when he overall badly failed would be??

I know why Diver does it, how about you?

Classifying someone as a “Hater” is dumb and lazy, to me it says you’ve either been here 5 minutes, aren’t paying attention, or have no other real argument. Show us all the times someone has said they “hate” Mike Tomlin.

Saying he’s done a terrible job and he should be fired and hating the man personally are two very different things

You do?

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

You do?

Yup you’re a narcissist this thread is exhibit A.

You pick at people just to be argumentative and make yourself sound smart, the funny thing is the more you do it the commical and desperate you really look….