New Conspiracy Theory for the so Inclined-Terrorism Related

[PoloMalo43]

I read on another board an interesting though I'm sure completely unsubstantiated story/theory.

I know you guys hate me but save your smart *** hate for the other threads that I have toxified like a Koch Bros. exploding pressure vessel. Stay on topic.

So the story I read implies that the missing Malaysian airliner landed on a remote island and that together with that islands/mainland government(paid off) terrorists are retrofitting this plane by removing seats etc. and adding extra fuel capacity to reach the U.S., plus armaments.... or should I say just one armament, an atomic bomb.

Now I know it sounds crazy(because it is) but the thing that is intriguing to me is the amount of governments still involved in this search. It has to have cost a small fortune for each one up to this point and they won't give up.

This may be old news that I'm not aware of but anyway, what say you?

 

[CoolieMan]

this is as dumb as the rest of the **** you post....

 

[Ron Burgundy]

This may be old news that I'm not aware of but anyway, what say you?

I think that the likely outcome is that it is at the bottom of the ocean somewhere but given what the Muzzies were able to do on 9/11, I wouldn't totally rule out the scenario you posted except for the part about reaching the U.S.

 

[madinsomniac]

Ive heard this theory before... Im pretty sure if a plane showed up on our radar without a flight plan it would get blown up... if they just blew up another plane and managed to follow the same course without the right responses, im pretty sure it would at least get escorted... not saying it cannot happen, just that it would probably be another country that got hit, not us... unless maybe they were real stupid

 

[madinsomniac]

If you wanted me to rate the more likely "extreme" theories about the next terrorist strike, none of which are highly probable, but are all doable I guess

5. Placing a dirty bomb nuke on a boat and exploding it in a crowded harbor
4. Infecting someone with Ebola in the US
3. Pulling a 9/11 type attack with a medium sized plane from a smaller local airport
2. more bombings at outdoor crowded events
1. A bombing or shooting at a major airport security station

 

[Djfan]

If you wanted me to rate the more likely "extreme" theories about the next terrorist strike, none of which are highly probable, but are all doable I guess

5. Placing a dirty bomb nuke on a boat and exploding it in a crowded harbor
4. Infecting someone with Ebola in the US
3. Pulling a 9/11 type attack with a medium sized plane from a smaller local airport
2. more bombings at outdoor crowded events
1. A bombing or shooting at a major airport security station

I agree with this. Add to it: Start an insane amount of wildfires across the nation at the same time

 

[madinsomniac]

Let me also say I had heard of the plane into building possibility probably in the mid to late 90's and dismissed it fairly easily multiple times... so there is that :/

 

[Iron95]

Polo is right. I still hate him.

 

[xjx]

I have heard the story that Polo cites here.
Consider: plane is still missing, lots of bad info from Malasia, Vietnam, etc on flight path, radar, etc., no group has taken credit for the planes' demise, Dick Cheney believes we will see an attack on U.S. soil far worse than the 911 attack.

Points to ponder.

 

[bmoritz]

I know you guys hate me but save your smart *** hate for the other threads that I have toxified like a Koch Bros. exploding pressure vessel. Stay on topic.

This should be added to the official Webster's Dictionary for the definition of hypocrisy!

 

[EdReed4Prez]

I'm more worried about who could be sneaking over the border now that the border agents are overrun with unaccompanied children. Why wouldn't a terrorist just walk right in like everyone else?

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Ive heard this theory before... Im pretty sure if a plane showed up on our radar without a flight plan it would get blown up... if they just blew up another plane and managed to follow the same course without the right responses, im pretty sure it would at least get escorted... not saying it cannot happen, just that it would probably be another country that got hit, not us... unless maybe they were real stupid

The only issue with that is that airplanes are not under constant radar over the ocean. If this flight was somehow able to ride the gaps, it could potentially not be picked up on the west coast until it was within 150 miles of land. My guess is they would not fly a plan taking them close to the north pole which many flights take from Asia because of the heavy military early warning but a longer flight over ocean. It could be possible, San Diego or LA or San Fran might be at risk.

 

[Spike]

 

[CharlesDavenport]

I read on another board an interesting though I'm sure completely unsubstantiated story/theory.

I know you guys hate me but save your smart *** hate for the other threads that I have toxified like a Koch Bros. exploding pressure vessel. Stay on topic.

So the story I read implies that the missing Malaysian airliner landed on a remote island and that together with that islands/mainland government(paid off) terrorists are retrofitting this plane by removing seats etc. and adding extra fuel capacity to reach the U.S., plus armaments.... or should I say just one armament, an atomic bomb.

Now I know it sounds crazy(because it is) but the thing that is intriguing to me is the amount of governments still involved in this search. It has to have cost a small fortune for each one up to this point and they won't give up.

This may be old news that I'm not aware of but anyway, what say you?

Old news and a theory that I have believed as likely since the beginning, and still do.

 

[JupiterBnG]

As if it's just easy to "remove the seats and add extra fuel capacity." This would be governed by the plane's maximum takeoff weight, which, for a 777-200ER, is 656,000 lbs. A fully-fueled commercial plane of this type with no passengers/cargo has an operational range of 7,700 miles, and is about 45,000 pounds shy of the maximum takeoff weight. If you converted the plane to add 45,000 pounds of additional fuel (which leaves no room for a weapon payload), you would add (by my estimation) another 12-15% to the operating range, making it capable of about 8,850 miles.

The distance from Kuala Lumpur to Los Angeles is just about 8,800 miles. Assuming they're coming from "some remote island" and that some physically closer country isn't in cahoots with them to allow a takeoff that wouldn't be somehow noticed and reported, they would need a good deal of luck to make the US coast. Anything beyond absolutely optimal weather, anything that they might have to detour around or fight a headwind, and they likely wouldn't make the coast via a great circle route.

Now, from somewhere in the southern Indian Ocean to the heart of Europe? That distance is much more manageable, but they'd also have to fly over a ton of countries that might be alarmed unless they somehow disguised it as a scheduled commercial flight.

 

[Djfan]

I'm more worried about who could be sneaking over the border now that the border agents are overrun with unaccompanied children. Why wouldn't a terrorist just walk right in like everyone else?

When I lived in San Diego, we all just took it for granted that this is what was happening. In fact, I heard a guy say once (at a speech he was giving) that this was a known reality.

Take it for what it's worth.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

As if it's just easy to "remove the seats and add extra fuel capacity." This would be governed by the plane's maximum takeoff weight, which, for a 777-200ER, is 656,000 lbs. A fully-fueled commercial plane of this type with no passengers/cargo has an operational range of 7,700 miles, and is about 45,000 pounds shy of the maximum takeoff weight. If you converted the plane to add 45,000 pounds of additional fuel (which leaves no room for a weapon payload), you would add (by my estimation) another 12-15% to the operating range, making it capable of about 8,850 miles.

The distance from Kuala Lumpur to Los Angeles is just about 8,800 miles. Assuming they're coming from "some remote island" and that some physically closer country isn't in cahoots with them to allow a takeoff that wouldn't be somehow noticed and reported, they would need a good deal of luck to make the US coast. Anything beyond absolutely optimal weather, anything that they might have to detour around or fight a headwind, and they likely wouldn't make the coast via a great circle route.

Now, from somewhere in the southern Indian Ocean to the heart of Europe? That distance is much more manageable, but they'd also have to fly over a ton of countries that might be alarmed unless they somehow disguised it as a scheduled commercial flight.

That's kind of what I was thinking. Although you have obvious expertise and specific numbers, I don't think they could add enough fuel to get to the U.S. either. But then we're not the only country the Muzzies hate. Europe would be tough for the reasons you mentioned, but not South Korea or Hong Kong.

Burgundy's odds:
It lost cabin pressure for some reason, flew on its own until it ran out of fuel, and is at the bottom of the ocean somewhere. -- 95%
The Muzzies hijacked it, killed everyone aboard, and are outfitting it for another terrorist attack. -- 5%

 

[Vader]

As if it's just easy to "remove the seats and add extra fuel capacity." This would be governed by the plane's maximum takeoff weight, which, for a 777-200ER, is 656,000 lbs. A fully-fueled commercial plane of this type with no passengers/cargo has an operational range of 7,700 miles, and is about 45,000 pounds shy of the maximum takeoff weight. If you converted the plane to add 45,000 pounds of additional fuel (which leaves no room for a weapon payload), you would add (by my estimation) another 12-15% to the operating range, making it capable of about 8,850 miles.

The distance from Kuala Lumpur to Los Angeles is just about 8,800 miles. Assuming they're coming from "some remote island" and that some physically closer country isn't in cahoots with them to allow a takeoff that wouldn't be somehow noticed and reported, they would need a good deal of luck to make the US coast. Anything beyond absolutely optimal weather, anything that they might have to detour around or fight a headwind, and they likely wouldn't make the coast via a great circle route.

Now, from somewhere in the southern Indian Ocean to the heart of Europe? That distance is much more manageable, but they'd also have to fly over a ton of countries that might be alarmed unless they somehow disguised it as a scheduled commercial flight.

I told my wife the exact same thing without the numbers. You obviously have more expertise and did a very good job enunciating it. I doubt very seriously that the plane is on an island somewhere. More than likely it is at the bottom of the ocean.

 

[MT~Forged]

As if it's just easy to "remove the seats and add extra fuel capacity." This would be governed by the plane's maximum takeoff weight, which, for a 777-200ER, is 656,000 lbs. A fully-fueled commercial plane of this type with no passengers/cargo has an operational range of 7,700 miles, and is about 45,000 pounds shy of the maximum takeoff weight. If you converted the plane to add 45,000 pounds of additional fuel (which leaves no room for a weapon payload), you would add (by my estimation) another 12-15% to the operating range, making it capable of about 8,850 miles.

The distance from Kuala Lumpur to Los Angeles is just about 8,800 miles. Assuming they're coming from "some remote island" and that some physically closer country isn't in cahoots with them to allow a takeoff that wouldn't be somehow noticed and reported, they would need a good deal of luck to make the US coast. Anything beyond absolutely optimal weather, anything that they might have to detour around or fight a headwind, and they likely wouldn't make the coast via a great circle route.

Now, from somewhere in the southern Indian Ocean to the heart of Europe? That distance is much more manageable, but they'd also have to fly over a ton of countries that might be alarmed unless they somehow disguised it as a scheduled commercial flight.

What if they added additional fuel, and weaponry, THEN filled it with Helium? Maybe even steal a few thousand mylar birthday baloons and tie them to the wings for even more lift?

On a serious note, Hawaii could very well be a target. As backwards as those ***** are, maybe they just heard about the Pearl Harbor attack.

 

[Confluence]

A guy who knows a guy told me that the Rolls-Royce engines on the plane have some type of sensing and emitting devices that report back to RR HQ and the owners maintenance regime every 30 minutes, regardless of positioning. Don't know if this is possible, but certainly would lead to all kinds of nefarious theories. I haven't researched this on the interwebs, so maybe someone has insight?

 

[PoloMalo43]

As if it's just easy to "remove the seats and add extra fuel capacity." This would be governed by the plane's maximum takeoff weight, which, for a 777-200ER, is 656,000 lbs. A fully-fueled commercial plane of this type with no passengers/cargo has an operational range of 7,700 miles, and is about 45,000 pounds shy of the maximum takeoff weight. If you converted the plane to add 45,000 pounds of additional fuel (which leaves no room for a weapon payload), you would add (by my estimation) another 12-15% to the operating range, making it capable of about 8,850 miles.

The distance from Kuala Lumpur to Los Angeles is just about 8,800 miles. Assuming they're coming from "some remote island" and that some physically closer country isn't in cahoots with them to allow a takeoff that wouldn't be somehow noticed and reported, they would need a good deal of luck to make the US coast. Anything beyond absolutely optimal weather, anything that they might have to detour around or fight a headwind, and they likely wouldn't make the coast via a great circle route.

Now, from somewhere in the southern Indian Ocean to the heart of Europe? That distance is much more manageable, but they'd also have to fly over a ton of countries that might be alarmed unless they somehow disguised it as a scheduled commercial flight.

There are political factors as well that make it silly. Like getting the cooperation of a nation that would know the U.S. or Europeans would be able to track that plane back to where it came from, and the reprisal which is certain would be total devastation for them, not even the Iranians are that insane.

Also the technical expertise needed would require the help of a nation and or its military, I don't think any terrorist group has that capability within its ranks. It's far more sophisticated just getting some guys trained enough to steer airliners into buildings.

I never watch Fox News anymore so I didn't know they had discussed this a few months ago. Again I don't think Pakistan would be this stupid, but maybe elements within their military working with Al-Qaeda? Still sounds far fetched.

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/...ight-could-be-in-taliban-controlled-pakistan/

 

[PoloMalo43]

I'm more worried about who could be sneaking over the border now that the border agents are overrun with unaccompanied children. Why wouldn't a terrorist just walk right in like everyone else?

The Mexicans don't want to see that border completely shut down. That government together with their connections in the cartels would never allow any terrorist to ruin their most important relationship. Not gonna happen ever.

 

[EdReed4Prez]

The Mexicans don't want to see that border completely shut down. That government together with their connections in the cartels would never allow any terrorist to ruin their most important relationship. Not gonna happen ever.

Those cartels are real worried about ruining their most important relationship.

 

[madinsomniac]

yeah... I wont say its impossible, just very improbable. I mean a moron walked on a plane with a shoe bomb that had to be ignited... that had a fairly low chance of succeeding, yet it was tried... but the dynamics are pretty far out there....

 

[Superman]

far-fetched idea is if the plane did land on that island and all the passengers killed, any and all reporting/tracking devices disabled...
why wouldn't they fit it with nuke(s) and fly it into South Korea?