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Obama Treason

Tim Steelersfan said:
Dodge #2
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Ok, I guess this is the hill you're willing to die on.

So, you want to talk about the Russia, Russia, Russia "hoax," that Tulsi Gabbard now claims was nothing but "made up lies" by Obama & Co.

Gabbard, who was a Democratic member of Congress until 2021, now suggestively casts all three of these pillars as false: that Russia interfered, that Putin ordered it, and that it was meant to help Trump.
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You mean the Russia "hoax" discussed here by Secretary of State Marco Rubio in 2018? This Russia hoax?

When President Donald Trump sided with Vladimir Putin over his own intelligence community on the topic of Russia’s interference in the 2016 US election, then-Sen. Marco Rubio sharply rebuked Trump. The Florida Republican said in 2018 that the intelligence community’s “assessment of 2016 is accurate. It’s 100% accurate. The Russians interfered in our elections.” He added: “I think it was not a good moment for the administration, obviously. Hopefully, something like that never happens again.”
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You mean the Russia "hoax" detailed by the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee’s bipartisan Russia report in 2020? This Russia hoax?

The report concluded that Russia had “engaged in an aggressive, multi-faceted effort to influence, or attempt to influence, the outcome of the 2016 presidential election.” It not only said Russia had interfered, but also that it had done so to benefit Trump.
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You mean the Russia "hoax" Trump’s director of national intelligence, now-CIA Director John Ratcliffe referred to during his confirmation hearing?

“Chairman, my views are that Russia meddled in or interfered with active measures in 2016,” Ratcliffe said. “They interfered in 2018. They will attempt to do so in 2020. They have a goal of sowing discord, and they have been successful in sowing discord.”
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You mean the Russia "hoax" that Trump’s former national security adviser, Mike Waltz, referred to in this statement in 2019?

“We do have to draw a bright line between ‘no collusion’ … versus the Russians attacking our constitutional system and attacking our electoral system, which they absolutely are doing. We have to stay focused on that, because that is our democracy under attack.”
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So yeah, if Obama and his administration did anything wrong by identifying a national security threat emanating from Russia, I say throw the book at them. Seems you'll have to take out a sizeable portion of Trump's current administration along with them, so be it.
 
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Tibs said:
Ok, I guess this is the hill you're willing to die on.

So, you want to talk about the Russia, Russia, Russia "hoax," that Tulsi Gabbard now claims was nothing but "made up lies" by Obama & Co.



You mean the Russia "hoax" discussed here by Secretary of State Marco Rubio in 2018? This Russia hoax?



You mean the Russia "hoax" detailed by the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee’s bipartisan Russia report in 2020? This Russia hoax?



You mean the Russia "hoax" Trump’s director of national intelligence, now-CIA Director John Ratcliffe referred to during his confirmation hearing?



You mean the Russia "hoax" that Trump’s former national security adviser, Mike Waltz, referred to in this statement in 2019?



So yeah, if Obama and his administration did anything wrong by identifying a national security threat emanating from Russia, I say throw the book at them. Seems you'll have to take out a sizeable portion of Trump's current administration along with them, so be it.
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This is why being tribal with politics fails EACH AND EVERY time.
This is EXACTLY the same thing as "weapons of mass destruction" after 9/11.
Our 'intelligence community" writes up a report, and our elected crooks tend to believe it because it's supposed to be unbiased and with the best interest of our country in mind.
But they have obviously been corrupted, just like EVERY other governmental organization, and for MANY MANY years now.
Cheney/Bush wanted a war, so they cooked up a war.
Obama/Biden/Clinton wanted Dems to keep the throne, so they cooked up Russiagate.

What I'm confused by is how incompetently retarded WE THE PEOPLE are.
We're lemmings perplexed by the easiest magic tricks and then complain years later after we figure it out.
And the cherry on top is WE THE PEOPLE think our team can do no wrong, and the opposing party are the real devils, not realizing they perpetrate the EXACT SAME EVILS.
And this cycle just continues because WE THE PEOPLE no longer have any balls or brains.

WE THE PEOPLE need to stop playing the reindeer games.
We either need to untribalize ourselves, or at least have the integrity to point the finger at our side when they commit a crime and not sweep in under the rug.
ALL our elected crooks, regardless of the letter behind their name, need to be held to the SAME EXACT STANDARDS.
And WE THE PEOPLE must be the ones to hold them accountable, and not just sit here bitching about it.
 
Tibs said:
Ok, I guess this is the hill you're willing to die on.

So, you want to talk about the Russia, Russia, Russia "hoax," that Tulsi Gabbard now claims was nothing but "made up lies" by Obama & Co.



You mean the Russia "hoax" discussed here by Secretary of State Marco Rubio in 2018? This Russia hoax?



You mean the Russia "hoax" detailed by the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee’s bipartisan Russia report in 2020? This Russia hoax?



You mean the Russia "hoax" Trump’s director of national intelligence, now-CIA Director John Ratcliffe referred to during his confirmation hearing?



You mean the Russia "hoax" that Trump’s former national security adviser, Mike Waltz, referred to in this statement in 2019?



So yeah, if Obama and his administration did anything wrong by identifying a national security threat emanating from Russia, I say throw the book at them. Seems you'll have to take out a sizeable portion of Trump's current administration along with them, so be it.
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Umm, The Russian hoax wasn't about them not interfering in the election, it was about Trump colluding with them. You are talking about two entirely different things. Of course, Russia and China try to interfere with our elections, as we do theirs. The hoax you are dismissing is pretty damning for the Dems. They lied and even paid for false information to try and defame Donald Trump. At this point that is pretty much undebatable unless you stick your head in the sand. The question is how far this whole thing went and what should be done about it. There is no question it happened.
 
Tibs said:
Ok, I guess this is the hill you're willing to die on.

So, you want to talk about the Russia, Russia, Russia "hoax," that Tulsi Gabbard now claims was nothing but "made up lies" by Obama & Co.



You mean the Russia "hoax" discussed here by Secretary of State Marco Rubio in 2018? This Russia hoax?



You mean the Russia "hoax" detailed by the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee’s bipartisan Russia report in 2020? This Russia hoax?



You mean the Russia "hoax" Trump’s director of national intelligence, now-CIA Director John Ratcliffe referred to during his confirmation hearing?



You mean the Russia "hoax" that Trump’s former national security adviser, Mike Waltz, referred to in this statement in 2019?



So yeah, if Obama and his administration did anything wrong by identifying a national security threat emanating from Russia, I say throw the book at them. Seems you'll have to take out a sizeable portion of Trump's current administration along with them, so be it.
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in other words, once a claim is made, you believe it to be true, despite overwhelming evidence that it is not or was not nor cannot ever be true. evidence to the contrary is simply conspiracy theories or, depending on who or what the evidence is, too old to be believed. even if the evidence is partially true, but then crafted in such a way to deflect from truth and cast or molded in such a way as to make something else more believable.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Umm, The Russian hoax wasn't about them not interfering in the election, it was about Trump colluding with them. You are talking about two entirely different things.
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Read Tulsi Gabbard's (aka Trump's ) statement carefully. That's exactly what they're suggesting, that *none* of it is true, that all of it was concocted out of thin air by Obama and his team of national security wizards and magicians. Ignoring of course, the simple fact that it was Republicans themselves that spearheaded the Senate investigation and authored the subsequent report.

Gabbard casts all three of these pillars as false: that Russia interfered, that Putin ordered it, and that it was meant to help Trump.
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Tibs said:
Read Tulsi Gabbard's (aka Trump's ) statement carefully. That's exactly what they're suggesting, that *none* of it is true, that all of it was concocted out of thin air by Obama and his team of national security wizards and magicians. Ignoring of course, the simple fact that it was Republicans themselves that spearheaded the Senate investigation and authored the subsequent report.
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Having Democrats and RINO’s working together does not make it a bi-partisan effort. We also know that NO Republican ever spearheads anything, they don’t have the balls to do anything except talk.
 
MT~Forged said:
Having Democrats and RINO’s working together does not make it a bi-partisan effort. We also know that NO Republican ever spearheads anything, they don’t have the balls to do anything except talk.
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Interesting that you have such little faith in key members of Trump's current cabinet, all of whom are on record stating unequivocally their belief in Russian interference in the elections.

Among others:
- Secretary of State Marco Rubio
- Former Director of National Intelligence, now-CIA Director John Ratcliffe.
- National Security Adviser, Mike Waltz.

I guess if you're gonna arrest Obama, you'll have to arrest them too. Easy come, easy go.
 
Tibs said:
Interesting that you have such little faith in key members of Trump's current cabinet, all of whom are on record stating unequivocally their belief in Russian interference in the elections.

Among others:
- Secretary of State Marco Rubio
- Former Director of National Intelligence, now-CIA Director John Ratcliffe.
- National Security Adviser, Mike Waltz.

I guess if you're gonna arrest Obama, you'll have to arrest them too. Easy come, easy go.
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again, you're confirming your closed mindedness that once something is claimed, it cannot ever be changed. or disputed.
 
Tibs said:
Ok, I guess this is the hill you're willing to die on.
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I wasn't the one screaming Russia Russia Russia! like a brainwashed sheep for the past 9 years, that's you. You became (like millions of others) a megaphone repeating the disinformation PMSNBC and CNN wanted you to. A victim of the PSYOP. You became a useful tool.

Tibs said:
So, you want to talk about the Russia, Russia, Russia "hoax," that Tulsi Gabbard now claims was nothing but "made up lies" by Obama & Co.

You mean the Russia "hoax" discussed here by Secretary of State Marco Rubio in 2018? This Russia hoax?

You mean the Russia "hoax" detailed by the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee’s bipartisan Russia report in 2020? This Russia hoax?

You mean the Russia "hoax" Trump’s director of national intelligence, now-CIA Director John Ratcliffe referred to during his confirmation hearing?

You mean the Russia "hoax" that Trump’s former national security adviser, Mike Waltz, referred to in this statement in 2019?

So yeah, if Obama and his administration did anything wrong by identifying a national security threat emanating from Russia, I say throw the book at them. Seems you'll have to take out a sizeable portion of Trump's current administration along with them, so be it.
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Question for you. What "intelligence" did Marco Rubio, the Senate Intelligence Committee, John Ratcliffe and Mike Waltz view to come to their "then" conclusions?

It wasn't the December 8, 2016 Intelligence report concluding that “Russian and criminal actors did not impact recent US election results by conducting malicious cyber activities against election infrastructure”. That was banned from being released.

Or was it the "blatantly false" information intelligence officials (at POTUS direction) began leaking about a nonexistent “secret assessment” that Russia intervened to influence the “outcome of the election” after December 8?

Hmmmmmm.
 
IndySteel said:
This may grow more legs than people think. All the hell that the Marxists put Trump and his family through based on lies could get paid back tenfold. This administration is doing the right way. Evidence and transparency. The swamp could be as ****** as Tibs’ brain cells. Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Hildetwat, Strozk, McCabe… tick tock.
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It will be difficult without the concession of the MSM who will be fighting this the whole way.

I doubt anything come of this and would rather the administration move forward to the benefit of all of our citizens.
 
Tibs said:
You sure take these high-ranking Trump cabinet officials - including the CIA Director, National Security Advisor, and the Secretary of State, to be fools.
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I'm asking a question. What intelligence were they operating on? We now know the first report (thanks to Tulsi) was held back and false information was then released.

If they were operating off of the latter, well....
 
Tibs said:
Interesting that you have such little faith in key members of Trump's current cabinet, all of whom are on record stating unequivocally their belief in Russian interference in the elections.

Among others:
- Secretary of State Marco Rubio
- Former Director of National Intelligence, now-CIA Director John Ratcliffe.
- National Security Adviser, Mike Waltz.

I guess if you're gonna arrest Obama, you'll have to arrest them too. Easy come, easy go.
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Read post #57 again, slowly.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
I'm asking a question. What intelligence were they operating on? We now know the first report (thanks to Tulsi) was held back and false information was then released.

If they were operating off of the latter, well....
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no no no

once something is determined, it is fact. and cannot ever be reviewed again. you know, like science.
 
Superman said:
no no no

once something is determined, it is fact. and cannot ever be reviewed again. you know, like science.
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Even if it is utterly fake and made up, like say the Steele dossier???
 
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