a fumble and some inaccurate passes make me think maybe not so fast
dude had his chances,,, a few of those lobs lacked touch, others weren't in the same zip code.....
Observations from Week 1 vs Giants....
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a fumble and some inaccurate passes make me think maybe not so fast
dude had his chances,,, a few of those lobs lacked touch, others weren't in the same zip code.....
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I like what I saw from the rookies, Archer, and HoJo.
Spence is a freebie and is all ready to step in and make plays.
Zumwalt liked strong and can make splash plays.
Mike Adams is a heap of steaming crap. Hes gonna get Ben destroyed, and has shoed no power or improvement. He needs to play ball, or go find another career.
Spence is a freebie and is all ready to step in and make plays.
Zumwalt liked strong and can make splash plays.
Mike Adams is a heap of steaming crap. Hes gonna get Ben destroyed, and has shoed no power or improvement. He needs to play ball, or go find another career.
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I like what I saw from the rookies, Archer, and HoJo.
Spence is a freebie and is all ready to step in and make plays.
Zumwalt liked strong and can make splash plays.
Mike Adams is a heap of steaming crap. Hes gonna get Ben destroyed, and has shoed no power or improvement. He needs to play ball, or go find another career.
Spence is a freebie and is all ready to step in and make plays.
Zumwalt liked strong and can make splash plays.
Mike Adams is a heap of steaming crap. Hes gonna get Ben destroyed, and has shoed no power or improvement. He needs to play ball, or go find another career.
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Worth repeating. Remember, the Giants have been so pathetic that they're desperate even for pre season wins, so Coughlin kept his 1st stringers in against the 2nd and 3rd team. And they still only barely beat us at home thanks to a fluke fumble.
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Agreed. Couldn't believe Eli played 3 series.
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They were 9-7 last year
Both backup QBs threw behind the receivers. Should be easy throws within 15 yds for an NFL QB. Not good. Granted the second and third string OL looked like ****.
The running game potential looks great.
Starting receivers look good for what was thrown. Bryant did look lazy as hell, but I hope the coaches light the candle under his ***. You never assume PI will be called and continue to fight for the ball.
Eli still looks lost and scared to get hit. Giants fans have to be wondering about the guy.
The running game potential looks great.
Starting receivers look good for what was thrown. Bryant did look lazy as hell, but I hope the coaches light the candle under his ***. You never assume PI will be called and continue to fight for the ball.
Eli still looks lost and scared to get hit. Giants fans have to be wondering about the guy.
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In that division they should be 12-4.
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Post Steelers-Giants thoughts
That wasn't the start that Stephon Tuitt was hoping for Saturday night in New Jersey.
He jumped offside on the first defensive series.
On the second series, with the Steelers in a nickel, he got trapped inside to open the hole for Rashad Jennings' long touchdown run.
I love Tuitt's upside, but he'll definitely hear about those two plays from defensive line coach John Mitchell.
In fact, he'll hear more about the one or two bad plays than the good ones he made, which were several.
He held the point of attack very well overall.
@ Tuitt wasn't alone in culpability on the long run. Cam Heyward got blown across the line, Jarvis Jones had a shot at hitting Jennings in the hole and Lawrence Timmons got mashed by a pulling offensive lineman in the hole to spring it.
Then, Will Allen missed a last-ditch tackle and it was off to the races.
Those kind of plays were this team's buggaboo in 2013. But I don't read too much into a preseason game. There was no game-planning going on where guys could have read that thing coming.
@ How about Jarvis Jones beating an offensive lineman on an inside move for a sack?
@ Le'Veon Bell only got three carries in this game, but he showed good power, running through some would-be tacklers for extra yardage. We didn't see that as much in 2013.
Bell is primed for a big season.
@ We only got a slight glimpse of Dri Archer's explosiveness in this game. But a 46-yard catch-and-run on a screen was a good start.
He does need to get a little more decisive when fielding punts, though. Too much dancing.
Get it and go.
@ I thought it was telling that Howard Jones was used on the first coverage unit.
The rookie linebacker shows a lot of promise and made two big fumble recoveries. That shows his speed. He's 6-4, 238 and needs to get stronger, but he can run.
Also of note on the first-team coverage unit was Brice McCain.
As I wrote before, McCain is a big hitter and should make this team as a coverage guy on special teams.
@ The Steelers had just one captain for this game: quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.
They'll elect other captains later in the preseason, but Roethlisberger in the only guy left from last year's group.
@ The Steelers made it through this game with just one injury, a thumb to the eye of Ramon Foster. He'll be OK.
@ The Steelers' brass has to hold their breath when they see Bruce Gradkowski out there scrambling. If he gets hurt, that means Landry Jones moves up to No. 2. And we've seen backup QBs get hurt scrambling around in the preseason here before.
Right Charlie Batch?
@ The Giants were playing their second preseason game, but they were penalized 10 times for 109 yards, most of which were by their starters.
The Steelers, on the other hand, drew just five penalties.
@ Brad Wing didn't help himself in the non-existent punting battle.
He gets great hang time, no doubt. But hang time isn't everything.
While he had one first quarter punt downed inside the 20, he had another chance to pin the Giants back later in the first half and hit it just outside the 20.
They he had a 21-yard punt from his own goal that gave New York the ball at the Pittsburgh 35.
Adam Podlesh had better come back at some point. If not, the Steelers will be scanning the waiver wire for punters again when the preseason cuts are made.
@ Martavis Bryant can use this game as a big learning tool.
You've got to come back strong to the ball in the NFL every time.
He also needs to secure the ball better in this league - though I think he was contacted by a defender on his way to the ground on the Steelers' final offensive play.
But the coaching staff should have learned something as well. I noted earlier in the week that Bryant wasn't a natural returning punts. He lets the ball get into his pads when he catches it.
The coaching staff should now have learned the same thing, just in case it didn't already know.
Dale Lolley at 1:22 AM
Sunday, August 10, 2014
Post Steelers-Giants thoughts
That wasn't the start that Stephon Tuitt was hoping for Saturday night in New Jersey.
He jumped offside on the first defensive series.
On the second series, with the Steelers in a nickel, he got trapped inside to open the hole for Rashad Jennings' long touchdown run.
I love Tuitt's upside, but he'll definitely hear about those two plays from defensive line coach John Mitchell.
In fact, he'll hear more about the one or two bad plays than the good ones he made, which were several.
He held the point of attack very well overall.
@ Tuitt wasn't alone in culpability on the long run. Cam Heyward got blown across the line, Jarvis Jones had a shot at hitting Jennings in the hole and Lawrence Timmons got mashed by a pulling offensive lineman in the hole to spring it.
Then, Will Allen missed a last-ditch tackle and it was off to the races.
Those kind of plays were this team's buggaboo in 2013. But I don't read too much into a preseason game. There was no game-planning going on where guys could have read that thing coming.
@ How about Jarvis Jones beating an offensive lineman on an inside move for a sack?
@ Le'Veon Bell only got three carries in this game, but he showed good power, running through some would-be tacklers for extra yardage. We didn't see that as much in 2013.
Bell is primed for a big season.
@ We only got a slight glimpse of Dri Archer's explosiveness in this game. But a 46-yard catch-and-run on a screen was a good start.
He does need to get a little more decisive when fielding punts, though. Too much dancing.
Get it and go.
@ I thought it was telling that Howard Jones was used on the first coverage unit.
The rookie linebacker shows a lot of promise and made two big fumble recoveries. That shows his speed. He's 6-4, 238 and needs to get stronger, but he can run.
Also of note on the first-team coverage unit was Brice McCain.
As I wrote before, McCain is a big hitter and should make this team as a coverage guy on special teams.
@ The Steelers had just one captain for this game: quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.
They'll elect other captains later in the preseason, but Roethlisberger in the only guy left from last year's group.
@ The Steelers made it through this game with just one injury, a thumb to the eye of Ramon Foster. He'll be OK.
@ The Steelers' brass has to hold their breath when they see Bruce Gradkowski out there scrambling. If he gets hurt, that means Landry Jones moves up to No. 2. And we've seen backup QBs get hurt scrambling around in the preseason here before.
Right Charlie Batch?
@ The Giants were playing their second preseason game, but they were penalized 10 times for 109 yards, most of which were by their starters.
The Steelers, on the other hand, drew just five penalties.
@ Brad Wing didn't help himself in the non-existent punting battle.
He gets great hang time, no doubt. But hang time isn't everything.
While he had one first quarter punt downed inside the 20, he had another chance to pin the Giants back later in the first half and hit it just outside the 20.
They he had a 21-yard punt from his own goal that gave New York the ball at the Pittsburgh 35.
Adam Podlesh had better come back at some point. If not, the Steelers will be scanning the waiver wire for punters again when the preseason cuts are made.
@ Martavis Bryant can use this game as a big learning tool.
You've got to come back strong to the ball in the NFL every time.
He also needs to secure the ball better in this league - though I think he was contacted by a defender on his way to the ground on the Steelers' final offensive play.
But the coaching staff should have learned something as well. I noted earlier in the week that Bryant wasn't a natural returning punts. He lets the ball get into his pads when he catches it.
The coaching staff should now have learned the same thing, just in case it didn't already know.
Dale Lolley at 1:22 AM
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What we learned in the Steelers' preseason opener
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Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger (7) hands the ball off to Pittsburgh Steelers running back Le'Veon Bell (26) in the first quarter of a preseason NFL football game, Saturday, Aug. 9, 2014, in East Rutherford, N.J. (AP Photo/Bill Kostroun)
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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- For a coach who said he didn’t place any great credence on preseason games, Mike Tomlin had a funny way of showing it. Empty sets? Five-wide receivers? And that was just the first offensive possession.
But, much as it was in 2013, it wasn’t the Steelers inability to prevent big plays defensively that cost them in their preseason opener. Rashad Jennings’ 78 yard touchdown run highlighted New York’s 20-16 win on Saturday night.
“We’re going to have runs that break out every now and then,” coach Mike Tomlin said. “We have to get it on the ground in the secondary. Sometimes they break free, they’ve got to be 8, 10, 12 yard runs, not 78 yard runs.”
WHAT WE LEARNED
1. GOLDEN ARCH
Not exactly breaking news but Dri Archer is fast. Very, very fast. Archer made an immediate impact, breaking a Ben Roethlisberger screen pass for a 46-yard gain on the Steelers’ first possession – against New York’s first-team defense. The drive ultimately fizzled, though, as the Steelers settled for a 26-yard Shaun Suisham field goal. “He was the first read,” Roethlisberger said. “We had three other options but he was the first one. They left him uncovered so we took advantage of it.” Don’t think there won’t be many complaints about reaching to take Archer in the third round.
2. BACKERS UP
Late in the first quarter, Jarvis Jones dropped Eli Manning for an 8-yard loss deep in New York territory. It was exactly the kind of play the Steelers have been clamoring more for from their 2013 first-round draft pick. Jones had just one sack last season. “Just a tackle,” Jones said of the play. “I had to detain the rush. The tackle jumped outside and gave me the inside. He gave me room to work on the inside and I took the inside and got up field.” … Sean Spence is one of the best stories in the NFL this season as he attempts to overcome major knee surgery. Starting in place of Ryan Shazier, Spence gave a strong accounting of himself in his quest to secure a roster spot. Tomlin said he didn’t notice him but said that “speaks to the level of confidence in where he is.” ... Howard Jones had a pair of fumble recoveries, including one for the go-ahead touchdown in the fourth quarter.
3. REALITY CHECK
Before we crown Landry Jones the heir apparent to Ben Roethlisberger or Howard Jones the next Jack Lambert, it’s important to keep in mind that this is the preseason after all. There were nearly 90 players used Saturday night, many of whom made just token appearances and many more who’ll be looking for work in a few weeks. Only 53 will be on the field when Johnny Manziel and Cleveland come to Heinz Field in a month’s time. It was, as could have been expected, an uneven performance. “There were some positives, some negatives and things to build upon moving forward, we’ll do that,” said coach Mike Tomlin.
What we learned in the Steelers' preseason opener
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Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger (7) hands the ball off to Pittsburgh Steelers running back Le'Veon Bell (26) in the first quarter of a preseason NFL football game, Saturday, Aug. 9, 2014, in East Rutherford, N.J. (AP Photo/Bill Kostroun)
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By Chris Bradford cbradford@timesonline.com | Posted 16 hours ago
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- For a coach who said he didn’t place any great credence on preseason games, Mike Tomlin had a funny way of showing it. Empty sets? Five-wide receivers? And that was just the first offensive possession.
But, much as it was in 2013, it wasn’t the Steelers inability to prevent big plays defensively that cost them in their preseason opener. Rashad Jennings’ 78 yard touchdown run highlighted New York’s 20-16 win on Saturday night.
“We’re going to have runs that break out every now and then,” coach Mike Tomlin said. “We have to get it on the ground in the secondary. Sometimes they break free, they’ve got to be 8, 10, 12 yard runs, not 78 yard runs.”
WHAT WE LEARNED
1. GOLDEN ARCH
Not exactly breaking news but Dri Archer is fast. Very, very fast. Archer made an immediate impact, breaking a Ben Roethlisberger screen pass for a 46-yard gain on the Steelers’ first possession – against New York’s first-team defense. The drive ultimately fizzled, though, as the Steelers settled for a 26-yard Shaun Suisham field goal. “He was the first read,” Roethlisberger said. “We had three other options but he was the first one. They left him uncovered so we took advantage of it.” Don’t think there won’t be many complaints about reaching to take Archer in the third round.
2. BACKERS UP
Late in the first quarter, Jarvis Jones dropped Eli Manning for an 8-yard loss deep in New York territory. It was exactly the kind of play the Steelers have been clamoring more for from their 2013 first-round draft pick. Jones had just one sack last season. “Just a tackle,” Jones said of the play. “I had to detain the rush. The tackle jumped outside and gave me the inside. He gave me room to work on the inside and I took the inside and got up field.” … Sean Spence is one of the best stories in the NFL this season as he attempts to overcome major knee surgery. Starting in place of Ryan Shazier, Spence gave a strong accounting of himself in his quest to secure a roster spot. Tomlin said he didn’t notice him but said that “speaks to the level of confidence in where he is.” ... Howard Jones had a pair of fumble recoveries, including one for the go-ahead touchdown in the fourth quarter.
3. REALITY CHECK
Before we crown Landry Jones the heir apparent to Ben Roethlisberger or Howard Jones the next Jack Lambert, it’s important to keep in mind that this is the preseason after all. There were nearly 90 players used Saturday night, many of whom made just token appearances and many more who’ll be looking for work in a few weeks. Only 53 will be on the field when Johnny Manziel and Cleveland come to Heinz Field in a month’s time. It was, as could have been expected, an uneven performance. “There were some positives, some negatives and things to build upon moving forward, we’ll do that,” said coach Mike Tomlin.
Grad should be starting QB. Ben looked horrible.
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sorry I was late to the conversation...
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I am a little concerned that our offense looked like a monkey ******* a football after Ben left. Jesus, can we run the ball? Can we complete more than 1 pass in a drive? Our run D looked shaky and that will get you smeared in the NFL, at least our pass D looked decent. And wow could the Gmen have more penalties called against them? There was a stretch where the refs were calling everything on them. Glad this was the first preseason game and not the 4th because we need a lot of improvement if we want to do better than 8-8.
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