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http://www.news9.com/story/32168555...e-money-used-during-the-commission-of-a-crime

OHP Uses New Device To Seize Money Used During The Commission Of A Crime
Posted: Jun 07, 2016 6:57 PM EST Updated: Jun 07, 2016 6:57 PM EST
By Aaron Brilbeck, News 9

OKLAHOMA CITY

You may have heard of civil asset forfeiture.

That's where police can seize your property and cash without first proving you committed a crime; without a warrant and without arresting you, as long as they suspect that your property is somehow tied to a crime.

Now, the Oklahoma Highway Patrol has a device that also allows them to seize money in your bank account or on prepaid cards.

It's called an ERAD, or Electronic Recovery and Access to Data machine, and state police began using 16 of them last month.

Here's how it works. If a trooper suspects you may have money tied to some type of crime, the highway patrol can scan any cards you have and seize the money.

"We're gonna look for different factors in the way that you're acting,” Oklahoma Highway Patrol Lt. John Vincent said. “We're gonna look for if there's a difference in your story. If there's someway that we can prove that you're falsifying information to us about your business."

Troopers insist this isn't just about seizing cash.

"I know that a lot of people are just going to focus on the seizing money. That's a very small thing that' s happening now. The largest part that we have found ... the biggest benefit has been the identity theft," Vincent said.

"If you can prove can prove that you have a legitimate reason to have that money it will be given back to you. And we've done that in the past," Vincent said about any money seized.

State Sen. Kyle Loveless, R-Oklahoma City, said that removes due process and the belief that a suspect is presumed innocent until proven guilty. He said we've already seen cases in Oklahoma where police are abusing the system.

"We've seen single mom's stuff be taken, a cancer survivor his drugs taken, we saw a Christian band being taken. We've seen innocent people's stuff being taken. We've seen where the money goes and how it's been misspent," Loveless said.

Loveless plans to introduce legislation next session that would require a conviction before any assets could be seized.

"If I had to err on the side of one side versus the other, I would err on the side of the Constitution,” Loveless said. “And I think that's what we need to do."

News 9 obtained a copy of the contract with the state.

It shows the state is paying ERAD Group Inc., $5,000 for the software and scanners, then 7.7 percent of all the cash the highway patrol seizes.
 
Nope.

The police are honorable men. We should support them what ever they do.

They have no conflict of interest, that money must be proceeds of a crime, the police said so they are honorable men.

Where are you so called conservatives on this? What are you conserving,liberty or a police state so long as it is run by those with "R" after their names?

What say you Steeler Nation? Will you be free men or boot lickers?
 
The use of police as tax collectors is nothing new. It's a despicable practice disguised as "keeping the peace" or "enforcing the law".

Every speed trap in the country is just designed to make money. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
News 9 obtained a copy of the contract with the state. It shows the state is paying ERAD Group Inc., $5,000 for the software and scanners, then 7.7 percent of all the cash the highway patrol seizes.

What POSSIBLE conflict could that create?

Just like those miserable ******* traffic cameras ... "public safety"? **** no. "More ripping off the public"? Absolutely.
 
Nope.

The police are honorable men. We should support them what ever they do.

They have no conflict of interest, that money must be proceeds of a crime, the police said so they are honorable men.

Where are you so called conservatives on this? What are you conserving,liberty or a police state so long as it is run by those with "R" after their names?

What say you Steeler Nation? Will you be free men or boot lickers?

I'm an honorable man. With a couple of exceptions over thirty years in LE, and with numerous police officers in the family going back 50, I've found that police are honorable, courageous and very good men and I take umbrage at the implication that all police are not.

This is a despicable practice and violates the Constitution. For the life of me I cannot understand why the OHP, or any LE unit would consider this as a legitimate thing to do. The rank and file should be refusing it. Let's not forget however that it would not be possible if it were not the law and police officers do not write laws. Politicians do and their department lackeys (the upper echelon of PD's are political appointees) force the enforcement upon their subordinates. That these subordinates are going along with it saddens me.

Innocent until proven guilty, right? Guess not......and I'm not sure how anyone fights this because the DOJ is in on it. All in the name of a miserably failed drug war.

What POSSIBLE conflict could that create?

Just like those miserable ******* traffic cameras ... "public safety"? **** no. "More ripping off the public"? Absolutely.

See DUI laws.
 
OK cops can empty your bank account on the spot

http://www.news9.com/story/32168555...e-money-used-during-the-commission-of-a-crime

If this isn't massive bull ****, what is?

Cops can drain your bank account, just on a whim. You don't have to commit a crime, you don't have to be arrested, you don't have to have a trial, but they can suck all your cash out on the spot.

Yea, that sounds real Constitutional.

In case you missed it, the govt. is at war with the people.

Wake up. Being ignorant is nothing to be proud of.
 
I'm an honorable man. With a couple of exceptions over thirty years in LE, and with numerous police officers in the family going back 50, I've found that police are honorable, courageous and very good men and I take umbrage at the implication that all police are not.

This is a despicable practice and violates the Constitution. For the life of me I cannot understand why the OHP, or any LE unit would consider this as a legitimate thing to do. The rank and file should be refusing it. Let's not forget however that it would not be possible if it were not the law and police officers do not write laws. Politicians do and their department lackeys (the upper echelon of PD's are political appointees) force the enforcement upon their subordinates. That these subordinates are going along with it saddens me.

Innocent until proven guilty, right? Guess not......and I'm not sure how anyone fights this because the DOJ is in on it. All in the name of a miserably failed drug war.



See DUI laws.

I do not doubt that most LEOs are individually good people. Its when they get caught up in the institutional mindset that there are problems. At that point they start acting instead of thinking. Orders are orders after all. But here is the thing about laws, not all laws are just and just because something is legal does not make it moral or ethical. I wish there were more LEOs that flat refused to enforce unjust laws. On the side of the citizenry the problem is thinking that the government always has our best interest at heart and that every policeman is pure of heart and full of good intentions. Police are public officials and need to be watched constantly to guard against corruption just like the Politicians that write and enact bad laws that they expect LEOs to enforce.
 
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