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Onto 2023 Season!!

LeXX75 said:
We are covered..you know Coach T has never had a losing season..
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Winning a playoff game in 4 out of 16 seasons has some nice numerical symmetry. However, winning a playoff game in 4 out of 17 seasons starts to look a lot more ugly.
 
MTC said:
Yeah even now that I’m sober, I’m still having trouble comprehending
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Thought that was normal…………………… (sarcasm)


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This is going to be an awesome off season for us. Going to be an incredible draft. We are in a perfect position to improve this team!
 
BLITZ said:
This is going to be an awesome off season for us. Going to be an incredible draft. We are in a perfect position to improve this team!
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They need to have a solid free agency so that they don't limit their positional BPA list of needs.
 
2-OL, Tank in the 4th


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They may get an ILB or other players in free agency but they won't be spending big money. Last year was an anomaly with day 1 FA signings. This year will go back to the norm with tier 2 or 3 signings so don't get your hopes up. If they sign anyone in FA, they will have to cut someone else. If they sign a high-priced ILB, Jack will have to be cut. They really don't have much cap space. They have enough to sign their own and maybe a couple of minor free agents and that's with already kicking the can down the road with restructures of Watt, extending Cam, or some have said restructuring Minkah who just signed his deal. So.....they got rid of a franchise QB cap hit but still aren't in any better shape. It will be interesting to see how Kahn does things. I hate the kick the can down the road concept as it usually ends up catching up with you but that has been our philosophy for quite some time.
 
TDX27 said:
They may get an ILB or other players in free agency but they won't be spending big money. Last year was an anomaly with day 1 FA signings. This year will go back to the norm with tier 2 or 3 signings so don't get your hopes up. If they sign anyone in FA, they will have to cut someone else. If they sign a high-priced ILB, Jack will have to be cut. They really don't have much cap space. They have enough to sign their own and maybe a couple of minor free agents and that's with already kicking the can down the road with restructures of Watt, extending Cam, or some have said restructuring Minkah who just signed his deal. So.....they got rid of a franchise QB cap hit but still aren't in any better shape. It will be interesting to see how Kahn does things. I hate the kick the can down the road concept as it usually ends up catching up with you but that has been our philosophy for quite some time.
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Nice post TDX27 and thanks for all your great ones along the way.

I’m amazed on how fast we were able to get back into “cap” hell.

One thing you can’t argue……. The STEELERS always spent to the limit in salary cap.


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Fiji Mariner said:
Where again, “no games of significance will be lost” also know as…

The Steeler standard
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The sad thing is, they’ve had HUGELY talented teams, HOF QB, and yet seem to have gotten nowhere. Hell even the HOF QB got blamed for the crappiest OL in history of the team and was the whole problem.

EXIT Said QB and still nothing, but blame it on a rookie QB finding his way.

ALWAYS an excuse for mediocre play / coaching / end result.

AND some here wonder why the skepticism along the way…………………….


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I keep reading where people think signing Sutton means we don't need a CB and they think we should basically give Highsmith $15+ million per. What are these people smoking? Sutton is a good player but a CB2. We NEED a CB1. Sutton will be offered something around maybe $8 million per and not well above $10 million per as a CB1. He is not that good. Highsmith is another example. He is an OLB2 who had one good season and most of his stats came with Watt playing. When Watt was out, he did OK but he was not an OLB1. He may continue to improve but right now, I'd offer him around $12 million per. If not, let him play his final year and see how he does. You can draft someone this year (as they should for depth anyhow) and even tag Highsmith once if needed. There is no way we are paying Watt at the top of the OLB range and Highsmith (or anyone for that matter) $15+ million. The D is already getting the overwhelming majority of our cap space.

At least, that's how I see things going for these 2 spots in 2023.
 
I’d be actively shopping Highsmith, no way he’ll be worth what he gets paid on the looming contract. Teams over pay for edge

This draft has some good edge and Alex won’t be worth the contract TJ has earned him, dupe some other team and spend one of the picks he gets them on his replacement.

Not like this team has a SB, scratch that, a playoff run window open

Be nice to get something meaningful as assets depart and surely they can get more than the company pick would yield.

No way can they pay 2 franchise LBs and a franchise safety, just bad biz
 
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Fiji Mariner said:
I’d be actively shopping Highsmith, no way he’ll be worth what he gets paid on the looming contract. Teams over pay for edge

This draft has some good edge and Alex won’t be worth the contract TJ has earned him, Dupree some other team and spend one of the picks he gets them on his replacement.

Not like this team has a SB, scratch that, a playoff run window open

Be nice to get something meaningful as assets depart and surely they can get more than the company pick would yield.

No way can they pay 2 franchise LBs and a franchise safety, just bad biz
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Just gave a more fitting help in your wording………….. I hear yaz



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TDX27 said:
I keep reading where people think signing Sutton means we don't need a CB and they think we should basically give Highsmith $15+ million per. What are these people smoking? Sutton is a good player but a CB2. We NEED a CB1. Sutton will be offered something around maybe $8 million per and not well above $10 million per as a CB1. He is not that good. Highsmith is another example. He is an OLB2 who had one good season and most of his stats came with Watt playing. When Watt was out, he did OK but he was not an OLB1. He may continue to improve but right now, I'd offer him around $12 million per. If not, let him play his final year and see how he does. You can draft someone this year (as they should for depth anyhow) and even tag Highsmith once if needed. There is no way we are paying Watt at the top of the OLB range and Highsmith (or anyone for that matter) $15+ million. The D is already getting the overwhelming majority of our cap space.

At least, that's how I see things going for these 2 spots in 2023.
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Its really just a math problem. Most teams, including the Steelers, have star players that just gobble up the cap space. We have TJ, Minkah and Cam doing that on D.

Quite literally, the Steelers can only afford to pay Highsmith his market value (doesn't really matter what we think he should be paid), if they underpay others, like the entire offense. Steelers have the luxury of not paying QB1 $45M/season, right now, and should use this opportunity to fix the glaring weaknesses, first. Highsmith is indeed a luxury, like Dupree and Woodley also were, because the decision was made with TJ's contract.

It makes so much sense to draft OL/CB at 17 and 32, and hope for quality starters, while understanding that it is unlikely that Highsmith is happy with the cash available to pay him, regardless of his market value to the rest of the NFL. Same logic for Sutton. Minkah has his market value money.
 
Drink IRON City said:
Just gave a more fitting help in your wording………….. I hear yaz



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Insert name of any decent LB opposite TJ

He’ll draw the attention and make any “Robin” look like a super hero

Paying Highsmith big money would be a mistake imho, as much as he seems like a good team guy anything over a mid level starter contract is over payment and pretty sure he’ll be looking for more than he’s actually worth.
 
Confluence said:
Its really just a math problem. Most teams, including the Steelers, have star players that just gobble up the cap space. We have TJ, Minkah and Cam doing that on D.

Quite literally, the Steelers can only afford to pay Highsmith his market value (doesn't really matter what we think he should be paid), if they underpay others, like the entire offense. Steelers have the luxury of not paying QB1 $45M/season, right now, and should use this opportunity to fix the glaring weaknesses, first. Highsmith is indeed a luxury, like Dupree and Woodley also were, because the decision was made with TJ's contract.

It makes so much sense to draft OL/CB at 17 and 32, and hope for quality starters, while understanding that it is unlikely that Highsmith is happy with the cash available to pay him, regardless of his market value to the rest of the NFL. Same logic for Sutton. Minkah has his market value money.
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I’m tryna think of 1 underpaid player on offense and can’t think of 1.

QB: KP rookie deal-paid to scale
Mitch-over paid backup
RB: Naj-rookie deal-paid to scale
Jaylen- rookie contract
FB: Watt-massively over paid
WR: DJ about market value all the other guys on rookie deals pretty much
TE: Muth- rookie deal
OL: I think Cole and Daniels easily hit at least fair market value or better and Chuck’s makes LT money the other guys on rookie deals

We’ve got a lot of rookie contracts but I honestly can’t think of 1 guy that’s “under paid” a few are over paid for production tho

Who are the under paid fellas?
 
Fiji Mariner said:
I’m tryna think of 1 underpaid player on offense and can’t think of 1.

QB: KP rookie deal-paid to scale
Mitch-over paid backup
RB: Naj-rookie deal-paid to scale
Jaylen- rookie contract
FB: Watt-massively over paid
WR: DJ about market value all the other guys on rookie deals pretty much
TE: Muth- rookie deal
OL: I think Cole and Daniels easily hit at least fair market value or better and Chuck’s makes LT money the other guys on rookie deals

We’ve got a lot of rookie contracts but I honestly can’t think of 1 guy that’s “under paid” a few are over paid for production tho

Who are the under paid fellas?
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You read my sentence incorrectly, I think. Poor wording.
The only way they can pay Highsmith more, or market, would be to cut elsewhere. Mitch is obvious, other than that no one is overpaid; they could cut Cole and/or Daniels to free space, cut Chuks, etc. and pay less for replacements, causing more issues.
 
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