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P*ats ....receiving beneficial advice to avoid penalty on last kick ?

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IMO this is bullshit. On the games final play (FG attempt by NYJ) Donta Hightower of the pats is lined up over the center which is illegal and warrants a penalty when the play is ran. The official, prior to the kick intervenes abruptly and nudges Hightower away from the snapper, thereby helping the Pats avoid a penalty which would have rewarded the Jets a retry a few yards closer.

No offical goes up to a Dlineman and warns him hes about to be penalized if he doesnt move out of the neutral zone..............
 
Refs warn players all the time. The difference here is that he physically moved him. That was over the top.
 
More pats*** bullshit.
 
Typical. Glad it was the jets and not Pittsburgh
 
I, for one, am shocked. This is unacceptable. It shows how corrupt the league is to bend over backwards for their media darlings. Why were the Jets not flagged for illegal lining up of the center and snapping the ball before the Pats*** could ready themselves?
 
The league claims it was a "safety issue" and that they were protecting the center from a potentially dangerous situation because he could have been hurt by the rushing defender. Course that would have been a 15 yard penalty which would have made it a much easier FG.

Hmmm... From 58 to 43 yards.

Nope. Nothin' to see here folks. We do this every day.

I'm telling you. It isn't even worth watching anymore.
 
Wasn't it the Jets who busted the Pats in spy gate?
 
Ennnh... I'm fairly sure I've seen that happen in tons of games. It's not like it's a shocking new thing that only happened in this one instance to help the Pats.

But I read an article about it where some NFL spokesperson said it was no different than when an official warns a player that they're lined up offsides... when the **** does that happen, and if it happens, how do we ever get those penalties?

I don't believe that games are fixed, or that every bad officiating call is an example of someone intentionally trying to influence a game's outcome, but I do believe that it illustrates a problem with the way officiating is done, and why we need full-time officials as well as some kind of "independent" review board that consists of players, coaches, owners and officals, with the power to mete out punishment the same way the league can punish players.
 
I've seen them talk to players hundreds of times. I've even seen them motion them to move back. But I don't remember ever seeing a ref physically move a player before. Can you imagine a ref running up to a WR and physically moving him to keep from covering up the TE? Or physically moving a RT up on the line past the OG waist? I've just never seen that before.

I've read some comments that say it happened earlier in the game to the Jets when the pats* were kicking a FG. But I haven't seen that yet.
 
I'm still convinced that Rog has a direct pipeline to the officials' earpieces for every Pats* game.
And you people think me and Wig are paranoid.
 
I'm still convinced that Rog has a direct pipeline to the officials' earpieces for every Pats* game.
And you people think me and Wig are paranoid.


For those who don't think there is a fine line rig, of the NFL games, need to keep the head in the sand thingy going. Countless instances, play review to be called wrong even after review, opportune TV time outs (for certain circumstances) favoring the Big Money pick of that particular game, the poor poor officiating along the way (same refs year in and year out, you get the drift. Remember that it only takes 3-5 plays to alter the out come of a game. Weather it changes winers to losers or points covered or not, it still alters the game. 3-7 plays can definitely change the out come as to winners or losers.
Its the HIDING of these particular plays ' refs calls that is the challenge for the NFL. Currently the flavor is bad officiating, its so bad that as a common / vivid fan, you have a hard time determining if its a catch or not. Think about this, many here feel the officials are dumber than themselves, thus not suspecting anything FIX wise. SPY-GATE is a great example of the fix, not the punishment or fine, but the context of the game tapes that were destroyed. TV time outs use to get them by for quite some time. People started figuring it out once there was a special on the guy himself. Brought way to much attention to the process.
Big money isn't going to sit around and just hope they come out in the good. Since when has gambling ever been a LUCK game? The money involved is way to much to leave to chance. Some here will say its way to many people involved to keep it quite. I say not really, the 5-10 high NFL office officials / 10-20 referees, slip them the money and a guarantee death sentence and WhoaLa, you've got a fix. Remember, NOT every game is fixed, just the right proportion to keep you unsuspecting. Same goes for the bad ref / play calls, just enough to keep you guessing in discuss. Rules that are undecipherable or judgement calls. You get the drift.
The owners are making a ton of cash, they are on board as if one ever blew the whistle, I'm pretty sure if one ever blew the whistle, it'd be a guaranteed painful death. Besides, HUGE money in one hand, THE END in the other, easy choice.
Decipher as you will, but there is a fix in and ignoring it won't make the game better. I have and always will be the ultimate STEELERs fan, just now I have my eyes wide open.



PS Ron and wig are definitely in a group, good or bad, I'll always shake their hand.







Salute the nation
 
For those who don't think there is a fine line rig, of the NFL games, need to keep the head in the sand thingy going. Countless instances, play review to be called wrong even after review, opportune TV time outs (for certain circumstances) favoring the Big Money pick of that particular game, the poor poor officiating along the way (same refs year in and year out, you get the drift. Remember that it only takes 3-5 plays to alter the out come of a game. Weather it changes winers to losers or points covered or not, it still alters the game. 3-7 plays can definitely change the out come as to winners or losers.
Its the HIDING of these particular plays ' refs calls that is the challenge for the NFL. Currently the flavor is bad officiating, its so bad that as a common / vivid fan, you have a hard time determining if its a catch or not. Think about this, many here feel the officials are dumber than themselves, thus not suspecting anything FIX wise. SPY-GATE is a great example of the fix, not the punishment or fine, but the context of the game tapes that were destroyed. TV time outs use to get them by for quite some time. People started figuring it out once there was a special on the guy himself. Brought way to much attention to the process.
Big money isn't going to sit around and just hope they come out in the good. Since when has gambling ever been a LUCK game? The money involved is way to much to leave to chance. Some here will say its way to many people involved to keep it quite. I say not really, the 5-10 high NFL office officials / 10-20 referees, slip them the money and a guarantee death sentence and WhoaLa, you've got a fix. Remember, NOT every game is fixed, just the right proportion to keep you unsuspecting. Same goes for the bad ref / play calls, just enough to keep you guessing in discuss. Rules that are undecipherable or judgement calls. You get the drift.
The owners are making a ton of cash, they are on board as if one ever blew the whistle, I'm pretty sure if one ever blew the whistle, it'd be a guaranteed painful death. Besides, HUGE money in one hand, THE END in the other, easy choice.
Decipher as you will, but there is a fix in and ignoring it won't make the game better. I have and always will be the ultimate STEELERs fan, just now I have my eyes wide open.



PS Ron and wig are definitely in a group, good or bad, I'll always shake their hand.







Salute the nation

So, you no longer watch the games then, right? I mean, surely this insulting, unscrupulous conspiracy to trick you into thinking the games are legitimate, has to be infuriating, no? Surely you wouldnt spend time watching such a contemptible exhibition of fraud, would you not??
 
If the game were fixed then there would have been an all Manning SB and the pats* wouldn't have lost 4 SBs in their history. For it to be fixed then the players association would have to be involved. Which means the players would have to know. Can anybody really believe when Ward is crying his eyes out thinking Bettis will never make a SB that he knew the fix was in? The conspiracy theories are so complex and convoluted that it makes no sense. Everything proves the conspiracy. So you can't argue it. Sorry but anybody that believes the games are fixed need to stop watching it.

Also since the owners are in on it I'm sure an owner like Davis wouldn't have blown the cover off of it before and immediately after he passed away. What about other owners who sold teams? Sorry but it makes no sense.
 
I don't think the games are fixed. But I do think the Pats* are cheating ********. And I do think the league's officiating is in need of an overhaul and that there are certain rules that need tweaking and some that need at lot more clarification. It also amazes me that for a league where jobs are constantly on the line, for GMs, coaches and players, and sometimes a few plays here and there can mean the difference from 7-9 and 10-6 and a playoff spot that more pressure isn't put on the league by those who rely on it to get some consistent officiating.
 
I don't think the games are fixed. But I do think the Pats* are cheating ********.
I don't think all games are fixed, or even very many. I DO think that the league has their favorite teams (read big-market with big TV ratings) and unlike MLB the NFL has true revenue sharing and a salary cap that keeps teams on a more or less equal footing. Therefore the league has to occasionally dispense favors to keep the higher-rated teams in the hunt. You're not going to see many Colts vs. Panthers Super Bowls for that reason.
 
I don't think all games are fixed, or even very many. I DO think that the league has their favorite teams (read big-market with big TV ratings) and unlike MLB the NFL has true revenue sharing and a salary cap that keeps teams on a more or less equal footing. Therefore the league has to occasionally dispense favors to keep the higher-rated teams in the hunt. You're not going to see many Colts vs. Panthers Super Bowls for that reason.

So you're saying what, exactly? In your mind, what is it that the league actually does, what operations exist (and conducted by whom), that supports your belief that big-market teams are targeted specifically for advantages on the field? Are these overt "favors"?
 
I don't think all games are fixed, or even very many. I DO think that the league has their favorite teams (read big-market with big TV ratings) and unlike MLB the NFL has true revenue sharing and a salary cap that keeps teams on a more or less equal footing. Therefore the league has to occasionally dispense favors to keep the higher-rated teams in the hunt. You're not going to see many Colts vs. Panthers Super Bowls for that reason.

What? The Steelers are a small market team and have been in 8 SBs. The Jets haven't been in a SB in over 40 years. Cowboys haven't sniffed a SB in over 20 years. Is GB a major market? Why hasn't there been a Jet/ Giants SB? How in the hell did AZ get a SB? Seriously, the idea that the league is "helping" large market teams is just ridiculous. They are doing a sucky job of it if that is their "plan".
 
Steelers 11-10 over the Chargers.

Biggest bunch of horseshit that I have ever seen in a game.

Forget for a moment that gambling even exists. Take it out of the equation and focus on the reality of what transpired at the end of the Chargers-Steelers game, because it was a serious black eye for the National Football League.

By now, most of us know what happened, but I’ll set the scene again for those who have missed out on all the hoopla.

Down 11-10 with five seconds remaining in the fourth quarter, the Chargers took possession at the 21-yard line. There, quarterback Philip Rivers threw a forward pass to LaDainian Tomlinson, who then flipped the ball backwards to teammate Chris Chambers, who then tossed the ball backwards to another teammate, but Steelers’ safety Troy Polamalu intervened, knocked the ball out of the air and recovered it on the 11-yard line. From there, Polamalu returned the ball into the end zone, which referees signaled a touchdown. Pending review and an extra point, the Steelers should have won 18-10.

But that’s not what happened. Officials did review the play and determined that it was in fact a touchdown. However, after reconvening, they determined that one of the Chargers’ lateral passes (the one Tomlinson threw) was an illegal forward pass and therefore the touchdown didn’t count.

No harm no foul, right? The Steelers would have won the game regardless and everyone involved can rejoice at the fact that no game in the history of the NFL has ever ended with an 11-10 score.

But the call wasn’t right. Even if LT’s pass was deemed illegal, the ball never touched the ground and therefore the play continues. The result of the play was an illegal forward pass, which the Steelers would have declined, and the touchdown should have counted. Head official Scott Green even admitted after the game that he and his crew “misinterpreted” the rule and got it wrong.

People may disagree, but this blunder is just as bad as the Ed Hochuli game because it proves that the replay system in the NFL is broken. The most amazing thing about all of this is that the officials in the Chargers-Steelers game actually spent time getting the call wrong. What happened if the Steelers were down by one and something fluke like this happened and it cost them a win? Can we safely assume that the officials would have gotten the call right if a win was on the line? I can’t, certainly not after watching how the officials eventually handled the actual situation.

Now let’s reintroduce the gambling ramifications, because obviously that’s the main issue here.

An estimated $100 million was wagered worldwide on the game. And approximately 66% of those dollars were wagered on Steelers. Had the touchdown stood, bettors would have cashed in roughly $32 million, but because of the officials’ mistake, it turned out to be a $64 million swing in favor of the bookies.

Some people don’t like gambling because they think it’s stupid to wager your hard earned money on a game. That’s fair, but don’t forget that some people consider gambling as another form of entertainment, just like going to the movies. I might be comparing apples to oranges here, but if you took your family to the movies and only got to see half of it because the projector broke, then you’d want your money back right? The projector cost you your money and entertainment for the night and that’s not fair.

Well, a blown call cost people their money (and we’re talking about more dough than the average movie ticket) and entertainment and that’s not fair either. Again, that might not be the best example but you get the point.

Ed HochuliDon’t expect anything to be done about this though. Roger Goodell isn’t going to reverse the call just like he didn’t reverse the outcome of the Broncos-Chargers game that Hochuli blew. It was a mistake by the officials and I wouldn’t hold your breath hoping to get your money back.

But this is going to be more damaging to Goodell’s league than people think. I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but it’s certainly questionable that the Steelers were flagged 23 times to only twice for Chargers (one of those penalties was the infamous “illegal pass” call), and the end of the game resulted in a San Diego cover because they were 4 or 5-point underdogs at most major sports books.

People are justifiably outraged and calling for foul play. In the wake of what transpired in the NBA with Tim Donaghy, suspicions are being raised of the legitimacy of NFL officiating. With that much on the line, how can you blow a call after you first made the correct ruling, then reviewed it, then still made the correct ruling only to eventually make the incorrect ruling? It’s completely ridiculous and I don’t blame anybody if they think NFL games are fixed now.

For the record, I don’t think games are fixed and I certainly don’t think the end of the Chargers-Steelers game was some masterful plan to insure a San Diego cover. I think this was a massive mistake, but I highly doubt anyone got on the phone to the head ref to tell him to call the game a certain way. Too many jobs would be lost and I doubt it’s worth the risk.

But after watching everything play out, I can definitely see why people buy into conspiracy theories. And it’s too bad that this is mostly about gambling because the situation deserves to have some light shed on it. Instead, the mainstream media will bury the story because they want to remain hush-hush about the gambling world.

Even those who don’t bet and didn’t wager on the game witnessed an injustice. And maybe you didn’t lose money – maybe you lost a fantasy game or a football pool at work. Either way, what happened wasn’t right and the NFL is going to be the one that really pays in the end because it no doubt lost some fans due to this fiasco.
 
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Steelers 11-10 over the Chargers.

Biggest bunch of horseshit that I have ever seen in a game.

Forget for a moment that gambling even exists. Take it out of the equation and focus on the reality of what transpired at the end of the Chargers-Steelers game, because it was a serious black eye for the National Football League.

By now, most of us know what happened, but I’ll set the scene again for those who have missed out on all the hoopla.

Down 11-10 with five seconds remaining in the fourth quarter, the Chargers took possession at the 21-yard line. There, quarterback Philip Rivers threw a forward pass to LaDainian Tomlinson, who then flipped the ball backwards to teammate Chris Chambers, who then tossed the ball backwards to another teammate, but Steelers’ safety Troy Polamalu intervened, knocked the ball out of the air and recovered it on the 11-yard line. From there, Polamalu returned the ball into the end zone, which referees signaled a touchdown. Pending review and an extra point, the Steelers should have won 18-10.

But that’s not what happened. Officials did review the play and determined that it was in fact a touchdown. However, after reconvening, they determined that one of the Chargers’ lateral passes (the one Tomlinson threw) was an illegal forward pass and therefore the touchdown didn’t count.

No harm no foul, right? The Steelers would have won the game regardless and everyone involved can rejoice at the fact that no game in the history of the NFL has ever ended with an 11-10 score.

But the call wasn’t right. Even if LT’s pass was deemed illegal, the ball never touched the ground and therefore the play continues. The result of the play was an illegal forward pass, which the Steelers would have declined, and the touchdown should have counted. Head official Scott Green even admitted after the game that he and his crew “misinterpreted” the rule and got it wrong.

People may disagree, but this blunder is just as bad as the Ed Hochuli game because it proves that the replay system in the NFL is broken. The most amazing thing about all of this is that the officials in the Chargers-Steelers game actually spent time getting the call wrong. What happened if the Steelers were down by one and something fluke like this happened and it cost them a win? Can we safely assume that the officials would have gotten the call right if a win was on the line? I can’t, certainly not after watching how the officials eventually handled the actual situation.

Now let’s reintroduce the gambling ramifications, because obviously that’s the main issue here.

An estimated $100 million was wagered worldwide on the game. And approximately 66% of those dollars were wagered on Steelers. Had the touchdown stood, bettors would have cashed in roughly $32 million, but because of the officials’ mistake, it turned out to be a $64 million swing in favor of the bookies.

Some people don’t like gambling because they think it’s stupid to wager your hard earned money on a game. That’s fair, but don’t forget that some people consider gambling as another form of entertainment, just like going to the movies. I might be comparing apples to oranges here, but if you took your family to the movies and only got to see half of it because the projector broke, then you’d want your money back right? The projector cost you your money and entertainment for the night and that’s not fair.

Well, a blown call cost people their money (and we’re talking about more dough than the average movie ticket) and entertainment and that’s not fair either. Again, that might not be the best example but you get the point.

Ed HochuliDon’t expect anything to be done about this though. Roger Goodell isn’t going to reverse the call just like he didn’t reverse the outcome of the Broncos-Chargers game that Hochuli blew. It was a mistake by the officials and I wouldn’t hold your breath hoping to get your money back.

But this is going to be more damaging to Goodell’s league than people think. I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but it’s certainly questionable that the Steelers were flagged 23 times to only twice for Chargers (one of those penalties was the infamous “illegal pass” call), and the end of the game resulted in a San Diego cover because they were 4 or 5-point underdogs at most major sports books.

People are justifiably outraged and calling for foul play. In the wake of what transpired in the NBA with Tim Donaghy, suspicions are being raised of the legitimacy of NFL officiating. With that much on the line, how can you blow a call after you first made the correct ruling, then reviewed it, then still made the correct ruling only to eventually make the incorrect ruling? It’s completely ridiculous and I don’t blame anybody if they think NFL games are fixed now.

For the record, I don’t think games are fixed and I certainly don’t think the end of the Chargers-Steelers game was some masterful plan to insure a San Diego cover. I think this was a massive mistake, but I highly doubt anyone got on the phone to the head ref to tell him to call the game a certain way. Too many jobs would be lost and I doubt it’s worth the risk.

But after watching everything play out, I can definitely see why people buy into conspiracy theories. And it’s too bad that this is mostly about gambling because the situation deserves to have some light shed on it. Instead, the mainstream media will bury the story because they want to remain hush-hush about the gambling world.

Even those who don’t bet and didn’t wager on the game witnessed an injustice. And maybe you didn’t lose money – maybe you lost a fantasy game or a football pool at work. Either way, what happened wasn’t right and the NFL is going to be the one that really pays in the end because it no doubt lost some fans due to this fiasco.

You lost your *** on that Chargers-Steelers game, didnt you?
 
You lost your *** on that Chargers-Steelers game, didnt you?

That's some dumb **** way of trying to refute a real life example that was at the time a major issue and talked about ad nausea on the sports shows. The implication of the incorrect review of that play swayed millions of dollars and the NFL got it wrong WITH review. Weird how the bookies made out.

I don't believe that teams are favored, or all games rigged. But Vegas and $$ talk...and that game was evidence enough for me. We've had referees in professional sports leagues sent to prison. We've had players banned from their leagues for betting on games they were in, or managed, or denied entrance into the hall of fame because they let money interfere with fair play. It happens, and it's happened throughout time.

But there are those of you who put on the blinders and say "Never in the NFL."

To you I say, you're naive.
 
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