Penguins 24-25

[str8liner]

What changes can be made? The pens need 3 or 4 actual defensemen and Dubas doesn't have the trade capital to bring that many in. Firing Sully doesn't do anything, as DK pointed out in his daily shots, that a new coach inherits this lousy defense. All us fans can do at this point is hope the Pens can out score the opposition in a wild wild west shootout.

Keep doing the same? Accept mediocrity? Hey, maybe we can win the lottery again and get another Sid......

This deal with Sully hasn't worked out for quite a few years now. He wants a speed game. He won't have anything to do with a tough heavy style of hockey. The Pens get beat up every year because of it. And the speed game with the big 3 is all but gone.

So I guess we are stuck with the definition of insanity.

 

[Djfan]

Keep doing the same? Accept mediocrity? Hey, maybe we can win the lottery again and get another Sid......

This deal with Sully hasn't worked out for quite a few years now. He wants a speed game. He won't have anything to do with a tough heavy style of hockey. The Pens get beat up every year because of it. And the speed game with the big 3 is all but gone.

So I guess we are stuck with the definition of insanity.

Yeah. Since Reeves left, we've had nothing

 

[Badcat]

Keep doing the same? Accept mediocrity? Hey, maybe we can win the lottery again and get another Sid......

This deal with Sully hasn't worked out for quite a few years now. He wants a speed game. He won't have anything to do with a tough heavy style of hockey. The Pens get beat up every year because of it. And the speed game with the big 3 is all but gone.

So I guess we are stuck with the definition of insanity.

I agree with you 100%, but Hextall ****** us over thoroughly, and it's going to take a while to fix his mess. That is, IF Dubas is the man to do it even. I'm just looking forward to seeing Sid and Geno do what they do while I can. The Pens aren't going to win jack **** this season.

 

[MTC]

Pens have no defense.

They generate offense but cannot score. Sullivan’s stubborness and the personnel on roster just isn’t it

What changes can be made? The pens need 3 or 4 actual defensemen and Dubas doesn't have the trade capital to bring that many in. Firing Sully doesn't do anything, as DK pointed out in his daily shots, that a new coach inherits this lousy defense. All us fans can do at this point is hope the Pens can out score the opposition in a wild wild west shootout.

as a fan, all you can do is hope lol.

 

[steel dino]

Might as well see what the kids at W/B have?
Let them take their lumps..
Pens haven’t developed much high level talent in some time..
Let the “seen better days” hall of famers mentor and coach them up ..they have to earn their pay someway..

 

[Djfan]

Might as well see what the kids at W/B have?
Let them take their lumps..
Pens haven’t developed much high level talent in some time..
Let the “seen better days” hall of famers mentor and coach them up ..they have to earn their pay someway..

I couldn't agree more.

 

[MTC]

Keep doing the same? Accept mediocrity? Hey, maybe we can win the lottery again and get another Sid......

This deal with Sully hasn't worked out for quite a few years now. He wants a speed game. He won't have anything to do with a tough heavy style of hockey. The Pens get beat up every year because of it. And the speed game with the big 3 is all but gone.

So I guess we are stuck with the definition of insanity.

Sully worked at first because he brought his guys from WBS with him.

He’s a creature of comfort in that it’s not that he wasn’t scared to play young guys. He was scared of not playing unfamiliar faces.


The core guys were younger at the time. So they’re making anybody at that point look good.

It’s no longer the case. Sully is scared of playing new faces

 

[MTC]

Might as well see what the kids at W/B have?
Let them take their lumps..
Pens haven’t developed much high level talent in some time..
Let the “seen better days” hall of famers mentor and coach them up ..they have to earn their pay someway..

Much like Dj. I agree

 

[str8liner]

I agree with you 100%, but Hextall ****** us over thoroughly, and it's going to take a while to fix his mess. That is, IF Dubas is the man to do it even. I'm just looking forward to seeing Sid and Geno do what they do while I can. The Pens aren't going to win jack **** this season.

Yes Hextall did sign Geno and Letang to deals before he left. But there was no way they were going to deal them even though it was plainly evident they should. Dubas would have done the same thing. Its a bad situation when you are beholden to the guys that got you there and feel obligated to pay them.

The whole team suffers for years because of it. I guess its the price you pay for 3 Stanley Cups and 16 straight playoff appearances .

 

[IndySteel]

In the Trib it was suggested to move Karlsson to wing. Interesting... Can't hurt to try.

 

[Sarge]

Yes Hextall did sign Geno and Letang to deals before he left. But there was no way they were going to deal them even though it was plainly evident they should. Dubas would have done the same thing. Its a bad situation when you are beholden to the guys that got you there and feel obligated to pay them.

The whole team suffers for years because of it.

But that's the problem. The Penguins weren't obligated to do anything. Yes, Geno and Letang were integral to the franchise winning three cups. And they were nicely compensated for it. This idea that the Penguins owe them something or that they "deserve" to retire as Penguins is stupid and is a large part of the reason the Pens are in this mess. Wayne Gretzky was traded. Anyone can be moved on from. It's time to move on. Trade Those two, Rust, Karlsson and Rakell and get what you can. Give Sid the option to stay or move on. Start rebuilding. You aren't winning anything with "the Big 3" anymore. Not a chance. Should have moved on when their contracts were up.

 

[steel dino]

In the Trib it was suggested to move Karlsson to wing. Interesting... Can't hurt to try.

Not against that at all..
I remember the same being said about Paul Coffee also.,