Pickens being traded to Dallas?

[SteelerInLebanon]

Hurts isn’t a top QB. A good coach can make it work with a good, not great QB.

Everything you say is just a thinly veiled excuse set up for Tomlin. If we drafted Hurts he’d be on the scrap heap by now because Tomlin can’t provide an environment for a QB to succeed now that he fully controls the offensive philosophy in the post Ben era

Hurts is a top 10 at worst QB. In this league he is a top QB as that list isn’t very big he is certainly not the best thrower but he is great at what they ask him to do and got better throwing. Everything you say is not so thinly veiled smear of Tomlin. Some of which he may deserve but much of it he doesn’t. For all the complaints about our QB play he has managed to take this team to the playoffs with bad to average at best QBs. Where you see failure I see a coach doing something most other coaches couldn’t accomplish. In doing so it does hurt our draft stock and puts us in a situation where we lose in the playoffs. It is still an accomplishment to drag a team with huge questions at QB to making the playoffs. I am not blind to his issues but I don’t think you appreciate what he does manage to do. His drive to win and ability to do so with flawed teams is impressive.

 

[madinsomniac]

Regardless of whether Tomlin is a great, good, average, or horrid coach, There is very little chance he ever wins another superbowl with the Steelers... change is often a catalyst to coaches growing and expanding out of comfort zones... the guy has been here almost 20 years... he is stagnant.

The areas he has to improve on to win in the current era he simply doesnt need to, because he is too comfortable.. no head coach in any sport should stay in a place over a decade... its just not a great way to win...

 

[DesertSteel]

They are close over the past 3 seasons. They gave away pickens and gave DK top 4 WR $$
I would have no problem if he was Jefferson or Lamb.
He isn't in the same universe as a top 5 NFL WR

In a year or two, DK will be about 10 or 11 in WR compensation.

 

[diver]

For all you “youth challenged”individuals out there…
This Pickens ordeal reminds me a whole lot of the Roy Jefferson ordeal back in the day..
Story of these two former very talented Steeler wideouts is eriely similar ..
Btw.. Roy went on the have a pretty darn
Good career, and would of made mucho deniro in todays NFL..
For all you born post 1980.. Crank up the google machine on Roy Jefferson !

Holy shiit. I thought I was old. Roy Jefferson! I do remember him when he was with the Redskins.

 

[diver]

Regardless of whether Tomlin is a great, good, average, or horrid coach, There is very little chance he ever wins another superbowl with the Steelers... change is often a catalyst to coaches growing and expanding out of comfort zones... the guy has been here almost 20 years... he is stagnant.

The areas he has to improve on to win in the current era he simply doesnt need to, because he is too comfortable.. no head coach in any sport should stay in a place over a decade... its just not a great way to win...

His ideas of how to run an offense or defense are stagnant. But I think the old thought about coaches getting turned out by players after too long at one place may not be applicable anymore with the way rosters turn over today.

 

[MT~Forged]

Let's be clear.

Do you think Arch will be "NFL-ready" after only one full year starting at QB1 in college?

I do not, but that does not mean that he wouldn't be drafted early if he declares for the 26 Draft

He could (and I will never wish injury on any player) get hurt this season and have to come back for another opportunity in '26...

This is a very distinct possibility for this year, and would most likely be the course of action if it occurs.

 

[MT~Forged]

I know some people are mad at Kahn for whatever reason, but I think the last 3 drafts might be an indication of an increase of the influence of guys like Kahn and Weidl and a little less of Tomlin. I think that is important. I don't think he is the horrible coach others do...I would have moved on, but I don't blame him for everything from the Titanic to 911...but I'm glad maybe his influence is a little less when shopping.

For the record. I do not think Tomlin is a horrible Coach. I have consistently said I believe that he is a slightly better than average HC, (C+ to B- if you will). I do also not think the Steelers made a mistake when they hired him with almost no experience, I believe the mistake was not moving on after about year 6 into his tenure with the team. The Steelers set him up perfectly while he gained experience, but some people just plateau lower than you hope, no matter how much time you give them.

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

Hurts is a top 10 at worst QB. In this league he is a top QB as that list isn’t very big he is certainly not the best thrower but he is great at what they ask him to do and got better throwing. Everything you say is not so thinly veiled smear of Tomlin. Some of which he may deserve but much of it he doesn’t. For all the complaints about our QB play he has managed to take this team to the playoffs with bad to average at best QBs. Where you see failure I see a coach doing something most other coaches couldn’t accomplish. In doing so it does hurt our draft stock and puts us in a situation where we lose in the playoffs. It is still an accomplishment to drag a team with huge questions at QB to making the playoffs. I am not blind to his issues but I don’t think you appreciate what he does manage to do. His drive to win and ability to do so with flawed teams is impressive.

I wonder if you just say this crap to get a rise out of people

I almost fell off my chair laughing at this post, where to even begin…

He controls personnel, no replacement for Ben is on him

Define “win”..if winning enough games to go on the road and get embarrassed in a 1st round playoff game year after year is winning to you go pass out some participation trophies at some little league games or become a Browns or Bengals fan

I’m just laughing as I type this at how rediculous your argument is, carry on…

 

[Drink IRON City]

Hurts is a top 10 at worst QB. In this league he is a top QB as that list isn’t very big he is certainly not the best thrower but he is great at what they ask him to do and got better throwing. Everything you say is not so thinly veiled smear of Tomlin. Some of which he may deserve but much of it he doesn’t. For all the complaints about our QB play he has managed to take this team to the playoffs with bad to average at best QBs. Where you see failure I see a coach doing something most other coaches couldn’t accomplish. In doing so it does hurt our draft stock and puts us in a situation where we lose in the playoffs. It is still an accomplishment to drag a team with huge questions at QB to making the playoffs. I am not blind to his issues but I don’t think you appreciate what he does manage to do. His drive to win and ability to do so with flawed teams is impressive.

Bill Cowher took sub-standard QB teams to the AFCCG, multiple times……………… Not buying the sub-standard QB as Coach Tomlin is responsible for said QB.

If you judge his coaching by season wins, he is slightly above average. ADD in the playoffs and he falls below average.

Continuing to employ sub-par sub-coaches also helps lead to his demise.

Imagine if he could “fix” 3 key issues
1) allow his coordinators to actually do their jobs
2) allow adjustments and scheme change
3) fire coaching personell and replace with the best, even use the smarter than he is ones.

Imagine if those three things got done, he would become that Coach who would be less scrutinized and justified in his actions.




Salute the nation

 

[madinsomniac]

Regardless of whether Tomlin is a great, good, average, or horrid coach, There is very little chance he ever wins another superbowl with the Steelers... change is often a catalyst to coaches growing and expanding out of comfort zones... the guy has been here almost 20 years... he is stagnant.

The areas he has to improve on to win in the current era he simply doesnt need to, because he is too comfortable.. no head coach in any sport should stay in a place over a decade... its just not a great way to win...

His ideas of how to run an offense or defense are stagnant. But I think the old thought about coaches getting turned out by players after too long at one place may not be applicable anymore with the way rosters turn over today.

Its not just tuned out coaches

Lets say coach A is really good at building a D, and knows wrs and qbs, but he really sucks at oline scheme, so he moves on and a guy comes in who is an offensive guru specializing in blocking schemes and is less great with D

Well coach A built up the D, and got a bunch of undeveloped talent on O... coach B gets tge O turned around while the D is still good and has early success


Now eventually that team will likely end up with a solid O but D deficiencies... at that point you find a coach that fills those voids...

I mean take away Belicheat who was in his second hc job, btw, and Reid( who had to reinvent himself away from Philly) ... and most SB winning head coaches are within their first 4 or 5 years with a team...

Hell, Cowher bucked the trend, but only by completely changing his offensive philosophy in the playoffs in 05...

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Regardless of whether Tomlin is a great, good, average, or horrid coach, There is very little chance he ever wins another superbowl with the Steelers... change is often a catalyst to coaches growing and expanding out of comfort zones... the guy has been here almost 20 years... he is stagnant.

The areas he has to improve on to win in the current era he simply doesnt need to, because he is too comfortable.. no head coach in any sport should stay in a place over a decade... its just not a great way to win...

This is all sooo true
So the real issue is that Art Nutting “is just glad he’s our coach”

The owner doesn’t give a rats *** about winning or is certifiably retarded, I’m gonna go with the former.

So an owner that doesn’t care about winning
A HC in place that is beyond complacent
All reflected in the team’s onfield play

One thing that is absolutely certain is this current situation will lead to zero post season success as they comfortably and complacently lay snuggly in their mediocrity bed they’ve made for themselves.

 

[MT~Forged]

As a fan you always place championships over everything else when determining success.

As a BUSINESS OWNER, profits are always the prime motivation. The upside of making a HC change is so much less than the possibility of things going south with the wrong next hire.

 

[diver]

This is all sooo true
So the real issue is that Art Nutting “is just glad he’s our coach”

The owner doesn’t give a rats *** about winning or is certifiably retarded, I’m gonna go with the former.

So an owner that doesn’t care about winning
A HC in place that is beyond complacent
All reflected in the team’s onfield play

One thing that is absolutely certain is this current situation will lead to zero post season success as they comfortably and complacently lay snuggly in their mediocrity bed they’ve made for themselves.

I don't think it's that complex, or devious. It's just...comfortable. Everybody's comfortable. When you are comfortable, you just make the decisions that are easiest.

 

[slashsteel]

I don't think it's that complex, or devious. It's just...comfortable. Everybody's comfortable. When you are comfortable, you just make the decisions that are easiest.

Too comfy in their own shoes. Fat on the hog.

 

[stillwright]

I know some people are mad at Kahn for whatever reason, but I think the last 3 drafts might be an indication of an increase of the influence of guys like Kahn and Weidl and a little less of Tomlin. I think that is important. I don't think he is the horrible coach others do...I would have moved on, but I don't blame him for everything from the Titanic to 911...but I'm glad maybe his influence is a little less when shopping.

Bottom line is our GM and HC need to work together and build a team. You don't draft players that won't fit into what the HC wants to do on the field. You don't trade for players that the HC won't use.

This is the entire reason we have Omar. Usually a GM will bring in his own HC. They have a purge on the roster. And start their rebuild or simply form the team in the direction they want to go. Going with Omar Rooney knew we would stay with the status quo.

 

[NorthernBlitz]

Hurts is a top 10 at worst QB. In this league he is a top QB as that list isn’t very big he is certainly not the best thrower but he is great at what they ask him to do and got better throwing. Everything you say is not so thinly veiled smear of Tomlin. Some of which he may deserve but much of it he doesn’t. For all the complaints about our QB play he has managed to take this team to the playoffs with bad to average at best QBs. Where you see failure I see a coach doing something most other coaches couldn’t accomplish. In doing so it does hurt our draft stock and puts us in a situation where we lose in the playoffs. It is still an accomplishment to drag a team with huge questions at QB to making the playoffs. I am not blind to his issues but I don’t think you appreciate what he does manage to do. His drive to win and ability to do so with flawed teams is impressive.

Note that everything negative people say about Hurts are the same things they said about Ben and Brady early in their careers.

I'd bet against anyone being as successful at Ben (and obviously Brady).

But being on a great team and doing the things you're asked to do is a great path to winning.

Especially if you're in today's NFC, where there aren't any elite QBs.

I wish we could swap conferences with the Eagles. I think the Steelers would definitely have won a playoff post-Ben injury if we were in the other conference. But you basically need to be a SB contender to win a WC game against Mahomes, Allen, or Lamar.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Bottom line is our GM and HC need to work together and build a team. You don't draft players that won't fit into what the HC wants to do on the field. You don't trade for players that the HC won't use.

This is the entire reason we have Omar. Usually a GM will bring in his own HC. They have a purge on the roster. And start their rebuild or simply form the team in the direction they want to go. Going with Omar Rooney knew we would stay with the status quo.

That was my biggest issue with promoting Khan

Not that he wasn't qualified and didn't deserve it, but an in-house hire probably isn't what the team needed, given they had won only three playoff games in over a decade by that point.

Khan came into the league as a finance guy, and was largely molded and influenced by Tomlin and Colbert when it comes to the football side of things.

Tombert were clearly losing their touch near the end.

Whoever was most responsible for spending all those second round picks on high maintenance, disruptive headaches like Chase Claypool, Diontae Johnson and now George Pickens had clearly lost the plot.

They have somewhat rolled the dice again in that regard by investing a second round pick and a ton of money in Metcalf, who is not exactly regarded among the most stable personalities in the league.

Hopefully, Andy Weidel has a decent amount of influence in terms of trying to apply whatever it is the Eagles are doing when it comes to evaluating players and rosters. Apparently, Khan and Weidel have had a good relationship from years prior to Weidel joining the Steelers.

They have made Eagles players priority free agent signings over the past couple years.

 

[diver]

Bottom line is our GM and HC need to work together and build a team. You don't draft players that won't fit into what the HC wants to do on the field. You don't trade for players that the HC won't use.

This is the entire reason we have Omar. Usually a GM will bring in his own HC. They have a purge on the roster. And start their rebuild or simply form the team in the direction they want to go. Going with Omar Rooney knew we would stay with the status quo.

Yeah. Those are good points. If the coach won't use the players, like Mike Williams last year, you are just pissing in the wind. Not saying Mike Williams was anything special, but he had to have helped some, right?

But I don't see Omar as status quo. He is drafting different, don't you think? I really like the double dipping on OL last year and DL this year. They didn't used to do that. Again, I don't see Tomlin as this horrible coach with devious intentions...he wants to win, as does the owner, but we all know the main problem is the coach. You can know that without blaming him for everything.

I know what you are saying about a purge of the roster. I'm not sure that's the way to go for any team. It reeks of arrogance and hubris. We know better than anyone else. Maybe there are some good players on the team. I don't know off the top of my head, but has that worked anywhere where there was some talent on the roster? I think of Noll in the early 70s or Jimmy Johnson with the Cowboys...but those rosters were weak. If they would fire Tomlin and bring in a new GM, would you want the roster purged?

 

[Punxsutawney]

But I don't see Omar as status quo. He is drafting different, don't you think? I really like the double dipping on OL last year and DL this year. They didn't used to do that. Again, I don't see Tomlin as this horrible coach with devious intentions...he wants to win, as does the owner, but we all know the main problem is the coach. You can know that without blaming him for everything.

Well since Khan took over, they have stopped drafting receivers every ******* year in the second round, which has to be considered some welcome change.

The emphasis on the trenches is good to see, but Broderick Jones, Keanu Benton and Troy Fautanu have yet to give us a lot to be excited about. Zach Frazier looks like he's going to be great, though.

 

[stillwright]

Yeah. Those are good points. If the coach won't use the players, like Mike Williams last year, you are just pissing in the wind. Not saying Mike Williams was anything special, but he had to have helped some, right?

But I don't see Omar as status quo. He is drafting different, don't you think? I really like the double dipping on OL last year and DL this year. They didn't used to do that. Again, I don't see Tomlin as this horrible coach with devious intentions...he wants to win, as does the owner, but we all know the main problem is the coach. You can know that without blaming him for everything.

I know what you are saying about a purge of the roster. I'm not sure that's the way to go for any team. It reeks of arrogance and hubris. We know better than anyone else. Maybe there are some good players on the team. I don't know off the top of my head, but has that worked anywhere where there was some talent on the roster? I think of Noll in the early 70s or Jimmy Johnson with the Cowboys...but those rosters were weak. If they would fire Tomlin and bring in a new GM, would you want the roster purged?

Perhaps the Eagles have done it a few times recently. And have had success. Not total roster turnover but with each new HC they had change.

I believe since we won our last playoff game the Eagles have had 2 different HCs win a SB. Change isn't always a bad thing.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

I wonder if you just say this crap to get a rise out of people

I almost fell off my chair laughing at this post, where to even begin…

He controls personnel, no replacement for Ben is on him

Define “win”..if winning enough games to go on the road and get embarrassed in a 1st round playoff game year after year is winning to you go pass out some participation trophies at some little league games or become a Browns or Bengals fan

I’m just laughing as I type this at how rediculous your argument is, carry on…

You are the one expecting participation trophies. Winning in this league is extremely difficult. You seem to think playoff wins and Super Bowls grow on trees. Yeah it stinks to not have won one in a while, but we have also been blessed to win more over my life than almost anyone. People who have been given participation trophies are the ones like you who can't appreciate the struggle of trying to build a team. I want wins, I know we aren't perfect, but I have had to earn everything I have. We will win the Super Bowl again and it will be that much sweeter for the journey and unlike many franchises our "struggles" are other teams' successes. 54 years watching 8 Super Bowls, 6 wins and only 8 losing seasons. I have not a ******* thing to be negative about. It is all about your outlook on life and learning to appreciate life and not be so bitter because you weren't handed a victory every year. You go on being you and I will go on trying to have positive outlook and not be a miserable prick.

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

You are the one expecting participation trophies. Winning in this league is extremely difficult. You seem to think playoff wins and Super Bowls grow on trees. Yeah it stinks to not have won one in a while, but we have also been blessed to win more over my life than almost anyone. People who have been given participation trophies are the ones like you who can't appreciate the struggle of trying to build a team. I want wins, I know we aren't perfect, but I have had to earn everything I have. We will win the Super Bowl again and it will be that much sweeter for the journey and unlike many franchises our "struggles" are other teams' successes. 54 years watching 8 Super Bowls, 6 wins and only 8 losing seasons. I have not a ******* thing to be negative about. It is all about your outlook on life and learning to appreciate life and not be so bitter because you weren't handed a victory every year. You go on being you and I will go on trying to have positive outlook and not be a miserable prick.

First stop injecting yourself and whatever your personal issues are into a football discussion, it makes you sound like a pathetic loser.

The success you speak of is all from better coaches than those we have now. Tomlin and his yes men enherited the players he won championships with in his early years, now that it’s truly all his you see what we have: pathetic mediocrity and embarrassing post season beat downs.

Tomlin should have been gone 3 years ago, by supporting him and excusing him you’re part of the problem and part of the reason we will never be at the level of Cowher or Noll, and never be a serious contender again until he’s gone

 

[WindyCitySteel]

Totally agree. Everyone acting like that kind of talent is a dime a dozen, it isn’t. If nothing else make him earn his FA worth next year. Unless there’s something we don’t know. “He won’t block”. So what? Throw him the effing ball.

*He won’t block, he won’t run full speed unless he’s the primary, he’ll throw tantrums on the field and in the locker room, he’ll show up late to games and meetings. So what?

FIFY

 

[WindyCitySteel]

Ya took a lot of heat did ya? Show us the heat ya took. Apologies? What a ******* p ussy

Nerve struck, keyboard tough guy enabled.

BTW, here’s the thread, start on page 3, as it goes along multiple posters are not only saying it would be dumb to trade him, but also that it would be dumb NOT to pay him big $$$.

Then, when you’re done there, take the first spot in the apology line.

And when you approach, bend the knee.

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The Pittsburgh Steelers made the NFL world go crazy on Sunday night when the decision was made by General Manager Omar Khan to trade with the Seattle Seahawks for wide receiver DK Metcalf. As if the move wasn't enough, the organization is giving him a new contract that is worth $150 million over five years. Many have speculated what this means for 2022 second-round pick George Pickens. The team could simply have him play out the final year of his rookie deal and allow him to test free agency, but trading him, or offering...

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[SteelerInLebanon]

Bill Cowher took sub-standard QB teams to the AFCCG, multiple times……………… Not buying the sub-standard QB as Coach Tomlin is responsible for said QB.

If you judge his coaching by season wins, he is slightly above average. ADD in the playoffs and he falls below average.

Continuing to employ sub-par sub-coaches also helps lead to his demise.

Imagine if he could “fix” 3 key issues
1) allow his coordinators to actually do their jobs
2) allow adjustments and scheme change
3) fire coaching personell and replace with the best, even use the smarter than he is ones.

Imagine if those three things got done, he would become that Coach who would be less scrutinized and justified in his actions.




Salute the nation

The only point I totally disagree with you on is calling his regular season record slightly above average. He is 10th all time in winning percentage amongst coaches who have at least 100 wins in the regular season,. That is not slightly above average for regular season, success. I just think some people lose sight of the fact that you can want for more but still be appreciative of what you’ve had. And I’m not speaking about you.