ps. do not fire Tomlin.

[Ironcitysteelers]

Ok
A coach is not a player that you can trade as a commodity. There are very few situations where team desires to rid themselves of coach, coach wants out and there is a market. I truly believe there would be a Tomlin market. I don't think the organization wants to trade him. But let's pretend they do. What is his motivation? He can say no I think so. I think I will collect my 10 million next year and take a year off. Then when the stink of the reality of my coaching is gone they will look at my record and there will ge multiple teams begging.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

 

[Aussie_Steeler]

Ok. Everyone in this thread who wants to trade him please repeat after me. A coach is not a player that you can trade as a commodity. There are very few situations where team desires to rid themselves of coach, coach wants out and there is a market. I truly believe there would be a Tomlin market. I don't think the organization wants to trade him. But let's pretend they do. What is his motivation? He can say no I dont think so. I think I will collect my 10 million next year and take a year off. Then when the stink of the reality of my coaching is gone they will look at my record and there will ge multiple teams begging.

As you said a coach cannot be traded as easily as players can. I think the biggest barrier to a trade with high picks involved would be Tomlin himself.

Put yourself in Tomlin's shoes - do you want to go to Washington or the Chargers if they've traded away their first round (or even a second round) pick? If I'm going to a struggling team I'm wanting day 1 and day 2 picks intact so I can bring in playing talent. My response to the Steelers in that situation - you don't want me, they do, you can release me from my contract with the Steelers.

 

[topseed]

As you said a coach cannot be traded as easily as players can. I think the biggest barrier to a trade with high picks involved would be Tomlin himself.

Put yourself in Tomlin's shoes - do you want to go to Washington or the Chargers if they've traded away their first round (or even a second round) pick? If I'm going to a struggling team I'm wanting day 1 and day 2 picks intact so I can bring in playing talent. My response to the Steelers in that situation - you don't want me, they do, you can release me from my contract with the Steelers.

The only way I could see Tomlin agreeing to a trade -- and that is a tiny possibility -- is if the Steelers continue their fall off of this cliff and finish at 7-10. They'd be insane to extend him this offseason after losing six straight. He knows that they are most likely going to continue to be horrendous next season in the final year of his deal, and if they keep losing early on in 2024, there probably won't be an extension from Pittsburgh in the offing. And the outside interest in his services will wane greatly as the losses mount. So basically, Tomlin can check out of Pittsburgh shortly after this season ends, and cash in on a new front-loaded mega-deal with Carolina, or Washington, or LA, or any team who is desperate enough for his pedigree...just before his legacy gets even more tarnished and the bottom falls out completely on his fraud.

At least I can hope it plays out something like that.

 

[Steelr4evr]

I’m sure my comment will go over well,but instead of reverting back to Bob Nutting..... maybe he will be reverting back to Art Rooney. After all Art owned the team in 1933. Had no success at all until early 70’s. Was the laughing stock for most of his ownership. A certain head coach named Chuck Noll is the guy that saved this franchise. He gets the credit in my eyes.

And the scout teams. Dan was a part of those.

They obviously killed it with the draft and hired a coach who learned from great coaches and had a passion for teaching.

 

[ExUSAF]

Another thing to consider about the trade scenario is that we're largely assuming that the media is not inflating the "Tomlin will automatically have a job tomorrow if fired today" narrative.

I mean, the league has not exactly been beating down the Steelers' door to hire Tomlin's assistants over the years.

Getting premium draft picks for him might not be the slam dunk we've been led to believe it would be, though all it takes is that one pathetically desperate, naive, stupid team to make it happen.

"Pathetic, desperate, naive, stupid team" - sounds like there is only one team that would take him - and we already have him.

 

[Steel Reign]

Tomlin would only want to go to a team where he could ride the talent as he did in Pittsburgh. Tomlin should not want a rebuild project as he has never remotely demonstrated the ability to develop a team. If Tomlin was not handed a SB team and a hall of fame quarterback with a lot of tread left off the tires, where we are at now would have been where we were 15 years ago or however long he has been here.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Tomlin is not a stupid man. He knows his luxury has been the Ownership loyalty. If Art 2 approached Coch Tomlin and told him they were going to head in a different direction, Coach Tomlin already knows if he wants to be traded or to retire silently.

Bottom line is Art 2 and his decision on change. He already knows that changing OC & DC probably isn’t big enough. The player culture is embedded and ownership can see that. Art 2 has advisors which I’m sure have been saying you can’t just keep limping along.

Art 2 will NOT relive Coach Tomlin mid season. If in fact things turned around and 3-0 remainder season, make playoffs, and actually win a PO game, then maybe there will be a return for next year.

Body / eye / verbal are all language indicating Coach Tomlin knows the end is near. Notice his post game interview wasn’t filled with Tomlin-isms, but more of a serious nature Of high-stakes on the line.

Overall, I see a changing of the guards and the ownership will go through proper vetting of coaching staff.


Salute the nation

 

[johngaenzler]

No team will give us anything for Mike Tomlin. He is a fraud and every owner in the league has realized it. i honestly don’t think he’ll get another head coaching job next year if he is canned.

 

[fedderone]

Tomlin is not a stupid man. He knows his luxury has been the Ownership loyalty. If Art 2 approached Coch Tomlin and told him they were going to head in a different direction, Coach Tomlin already knows if he wants to be traded or to retire silently.

Bottom line is Art 2 and his decision on change. He already knows that changing OC & DC probably isn’t big enough. The player culture is embedded and ownership can see that. Art 2 has advisors which I’m sure have been saying you can’t just keep limping along.

Art 2 will NOT relive Coach Tomlin mid season. If in fact things turned around and 3-0 remainder season, make playoffs, and actually win a PO game, then maybe there will be a return for next year.

Body / eye / verbal are all language indicating Coach Tomlin knows the end is near. Notice his post game interview wasn’t filled with Tomlin-isms, but more of a serious nature Of high-stakes on the line.

Overall, I see a changing of the guards and the ownership will go through proper vetting of coaching staff.


Salute the nation

I PRAY you are right.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I PRAY you are right.

Some say, that we could do worse, I respond with “We could do better”.

We need HC change and total philosophy change as well.

Translation : Complete coaching overhaul and possibly several players traded away.


Salute the nation

 

[xjx]

Tomlin would fit into an AD role for a big school. Big money. Easy job. And he can still think he is Sammy Davis Jr.

 

[Bluesteel]

If I’m correct, Tomlin is under contract through 2024. That being the case, all I can see are 3 possible outcomes, or technically 4, with one that makes me ill to consider…
1. He gets fired end of season. Probably and unfortunately, least likely. When was the last time the Steelers fired their coach? Especially one that, like it or not, to this point, has not had a losing season, has a SB championship and another SB appearance.
2. He gets traded end of season. Probably and really unfortunately, not likely. With only 1 year left on contract, what team would want to give up valuable draft commodities and take on the task of negotiating an extension? And such a move is extremely rare in the NFL.
3. He coaches out 2024, no extension, with similar historical results of passed lame duck coaches. Nothing miraculous occurs preventing the Steelers from letting him move on end of season. Probably most likely scenario, as he doesn’t become the first Steeler coach to get fired in over a generation, Steelers keep their reputation of not firing a coach in over a generation, then free to attempt to identify the next Noll, Cowher, Tomlin to lead this storied franchise.

Or the 4th I don’t even want to think about, he gets extended at some point and there is no light at the end of this nightmare tunnel, I can’t fathom being the outcome!!! Lord help us!

 

[SteelerFan448]

If Tomlin doesn’t get an extension full we’ll expect them to promote from within at OV or hire a guy out of football. No highly rated OC would come here in that situation.

 

[topseed]

2. He gets traded end of season. Probably and really unfortunately, not likely. With only 1 year left on contract, what team would want to give up valuable draft commodities and take on the task of negotiating an extension? And such a move is extremely rare in the NFL.

It is rare, but it just happened earlier this year with Sean Payton, a coach with an eerily similar track record to Tomlin.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Or the 4th I don’t even want to think about, he gets extended at some point and there is no light at the end of this nightmare tunnel, I can’t fathom being the outcome!!! Lord help us!

If Shades gets an extension, my fandom will take a serious hit. As I say about the Pirates, if the team owner doesn’t care if they win or lose, why should I?

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Would love to see a team dumb enough to trade for him but find that to be highly unlikely

Think it’s about 90-95% he plays out that lame duck year and takes a talking head job, babbling is what he knows best and he’ll probably crush that job

If they do indeed extend him it had damn well better require a playoff victory (at a minimum) before said extension. An extension without a prior playoff victory and I’d have a hard time dedicating one more minute to the Tomlin nightmare

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Some say, that we could do worse, I respond with “We could do better”.

We need HC change and total philosophy change as well.

Translation : Complete coaching overhaul and possibly several players traded away.


Salute the nation

And let’s get back to an actual standard and get a dominant Center, not this lump of Cole in said talent overhaul

I’m right there with ya brother

 

[SteelerFan448]

It is rare, but it just happened earlier this year with Sean Payton, a coach with an eerily similar track record to Tomlin.

	Seasons	Record	Win %	Division Titles	Playoff Appearances	Season w/Playoff Win	Playoff Record	Playoff Win %	Super Bowls
Tomlin	17	170-100-2	.629	7	10	4	8-9	.471	1
Payton	16	159-96	.624	7	9	7	9-8	.529	1

 

[madinsomniac]

So here is the thing… If Tomlin gets outright fired it takes a hit to his legacy, which he Obviously cares about…
Art 2 can make an announcement that they feel that while Tomlin remains a HOF level coach, they feel a new voice in the room is needed.
This saves face and opens up a trade market

Of course this is all academic.. they will win two games down the stretch and be competitive in the third and he will get an extension like always…

 

[Ron Burgundy]

So here is the thing… If Tomlin gets outright fired it takes a hit to his legacy, which he Obviously cares about…
Art 2 can make an announcement that they feel that while Tomlin remains a HOF level coach, they feel a new voice in the room is needed.
This saves face and opens up a trade market

Of course this is all academic.. they will win two games down the stretch and be competitive in the third and he will get an extension like always…

Mark Madden positing today that the only way Shades leaves is if they take hiring and personnel away from him.
Which I can see happening, considering how he’s F’d most of that up since he’s been here.

 

[SteelerFan448]

I've been whining the Steelers have only had 4 seasons out of 17 with a playoff win. That ranks 8th in the league during Tomlin's tenure, so not awful. The big issue is it'll be 7 years since the last playoff win. Who ranks ahead of the of Steelers during this time?

1. New England - 9. Bill Belichick was the only coach during this time and with 5 straight seasons without a playoff win and bottoming out, it appears they'll be moving on.

2. Green Bay - 8. Mike McCarthy was here early on and beat Tomlin in the Super Bowl...though if not for a missed block by Kemoeatu and Mendenhall not fumbling, I am fully convinced the Steelers win that game. Tomlin's career is very similar to McCarthy's and Payton's. Green Bay hit a home run with Matt LaFleur. Jordan Love has progressed nicely this year and appears like he could be a long-term starter. Green Bay is currently on a 2-year playoff winless streak, about to be 3 years.

2. Seattle - 8. The Seahawks have had three coaches during this time: Holmgren, Mora, and Carroll. If not for an idiotic play call, they should have two Super Bowls during this time. They are currently on a 3-year streak without a playoff win. Like the Steelers and Green Bay, they are transitioning from an all-time great franchise QB.

3. Baltimore - 7. Brian Billick coached for one year before John Harbaugh took over. The Ravens are 2 years without a playoff win, but look like they could earn the top seed in the AFC. Although Buffalo is getting hot, the Ravens are the current favorites in the AFC.

4. Kansas City - 6. The Chiefs had Herm Edwards, Todd Haley, and Andy Reid during this time. Andy Reid's career was rejuvenated in KC as he found success with Alex Smith and became the NFL's premiere team with Patrick Mahomes. KC allowed a lot of their weapons go, yet are still one of the best teams in the AFC.

4. San Francisco - 6. It's been a process with Mike Nolan, Mike Singletary, Jim Harbaugh, Jim Tomsula, Chip Kelly, and Kyle Shanahan. Of this group, Harbaugh and Shanahan have been terrific, both making but losing a Super Bowl. The 49ers are by far the best and most complete team and Shanahan has a staff you want to hire from.

4. New Orleans - 6. Sean Payton led the way for the Saints during this time. As with several of the other teams, they have struggled finding a QB post Drew Brees. The Saints are two seasons without a playoff win and potentially could be going on a third if they miss the playoffs.

 

[Steelr4evr]

If Shades gets an extension, my fandom will take a serious hit. As I say about the Pirates, if the team owner doesn’t care if they win or lose, why should I?

That's why I quit watching them back in the early 90's. Well that and not getting a real salary cap after the strike. They became a farm team with zero hope of winning a championship ever.

The Steelers may not be a farm team,but they certainly have no hope of winning a championship and from my perspective that's been pretty clear to me since Tim Tebow embarrassed the **** out of them in Denver.


It doesn't matter who they draft. You're not going to out talent teams at the top without top tier coaching, scheme and constant dedication to player development.

If Rooney wants to actually compete for a championship ever again,he will do what needs to be done. And shoot for the best most complete staff you can assemble.


I'm pretty much spent talking about it. I'm looking forward to this season being over and could honestly give two ***** if they win another game. They obviously didn't the last 3 games.

 

[Coryea]

If Shades gets an extension, my fandom will take a serious hit. As I say about the Pirates, if the team owner doesn’t care if they win or lose, why should I?

The good news is that last offseason is when the Rooney's always give extensions with two years remaining on the contract, Art elected not to extend Tomlin this past offseason.

 

[SteelerFan448]

The good news is that last offseason is when the Rooney's always give extensions with two years remaining on the contract, Art elected not to extend Tomlin this past offseason.

They gave Tomlin a 3-year extension in 2021 when he had one year remaining on his contract. This is the same situation and I expect a thee-year extension once again.