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Raiders snag WR Amari Cooper on a 1 year deal

7 days till the season opener and we’re sitting on 19.5 million in cap space, very similar to last year.

Getting Joe Haden off the scrap heap was the last time this worked and that was 8 years ago, hmm what else hasn’t happened in 8 years??

The odds of now adding someone impactful for this season are pretty much 0

Massive needs at WR2, depth at OL and Safety. An injury to DK, OL, or safety would be devastating

Khan is failing, Tomlinized
 
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Fiji Mariner said:
Well we have 1 legit starting receiver

And two guys that should be WR3/WR4 on many teams
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I assume you’re talking about Calvin Austin and Roman Wilson. we spent a 3rd & a 4th on these guys… they have to get reps or we’re never gonna finally know what impact they can really have.

You develop a number two receiver by feeding them the football.

If we don’t give these young receivers a shot by giving them the ball, how are we gonna ever know what we got?
 
SteveA said:
I assume you’re talking about Calvin Austin and Roman Wilson. we spent a 3rd & a 4th on these guys… they have to get reps or we’re never gonna finally know what impact they can really have.

You develop a number two receiver by feeding them the football.

If we don’t give these young receivers a shot by giving them the ball, how are we gonna ever know what we got?
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I know, I know..... pre-season isn't exactly against #1s, but it's the only thing we have to judge by to date.

Wilson was eating up the competition and my hopes is he develops into that #2 we need.

Austin can't do diddly squat while dressed in sweats .



Salute the nation
 
madinsomniac said:
They practiced 4 te sets this spring. Smith likes running with HBack formations, though that could admittedly be Skowronik too...
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They practice a lot of things but it doesn’t mean they have to force feed what they practiced onto the field. Save it for garbage time situations (which is few and far between). I get he likes running certain formations but taking off talent to run them could very well be Canada-ish.
 
slashsteel said:
They practice a lot of things but it doesn’t mean they have to force feed what they practiced onto the field. Save it for garbage time situations (which is few and far between). I get he likes running certain formations but taking off talent to run them could very well be Canada-ish.
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Our game is less than a week away.

That will be the eye test that many here (including myself) will be able to determine just how much change has actually occurred.

New season with new expectations are in my sights.



Salute the nation
 
Letting Pickens go was ridiculously dumb both dollar wise and offensive weapon wise. I don't care if he shows up late to games if its him vs the high school sized receivers we got to replace him.
Who knows maybe Roman will prove to be an upgrade over George?:rolleyes: lol
 
bigben said:
Letting Pickens go was ridiculously dumb both dollar wise and offensive weapon wise. I don't care if he shows up late to games if its him vs the high school sized receivers we got to replace him.
Who knows maybe Roman will prove to be an upgrade over George?:rolleyes: lol
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And if he became a bigger problem (which by all reports he was heading down that road) you would have called that dumb to keep him right? BTW that would have brought less of a return at that point.

You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away and know when to run.
 
SteveA said:
I assume you’re talking about Calvin Austin and Roman Wilson. we spent a 3rd & a 4th on these guys… they have to get reps or we’re never gonna finally know what impact they can really have.

You develop a number two receiver by feeding them the football.

If we don’t give these young receivers a shot by giving them the ball, how are we gonna ever know what we got?
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3 years in we have a pretty good idea who CA3 is.

A speedy midget receiver with a big heart and solid hands. He’d be a ok-decent WR3 in a good offense or a helluva WR4 in most rooms. He’s decent but limited due to size (durability could be an issue due to his stature as well). He’s not going to move people in the run game but he will run by people in the passing game. As an every down receiver he would limit an offense severely in what they can do. A good sub package guy tho. Don’t really need to feed him reps to know any of that. If he’s the best guy in a spot give him reps, if not sit him for Wilson, Washington, Smith, Skowronek or whoever is capable of the assignment.

Wilson just needs to stay healthy and be on the field to have any idea where he’s at as his first year was a wash. Is he soft af? Don’t know
Can he not learn plays? Don’t know
Can he play outside or anywhere where he does not get a free release from motion? Don’t know

His grade is definitely an incomplete but his production/growth/durability will dictate how many reps he gets. Ya don’t just force feed him to get him reps at the expense of SBWHCGOATCOYMT’s moving train slowing down for a train hopper. If he’s the guy it will shake out, if not….NEXT man up

The train got to the destination without him last year and can again if necessary. I certainly don’t see limiting guys like Muth, Smith, Washington, DK’s reps to “see what we got”. Him and CA3 will get theirs…whoever earns their reps will get them.

If they don’t earn the reps in that weak room we know what we have.
 
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slashsteel said:
And if he became a bigger problem (which by all reports he was heading down that road) you would have called that dumb to keep him right? BTW that would have brought less of a return at that point.

You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away and know when to run.
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You think the Steelers WR room is better without George?
You wouldn't feel more confident having Pickens and DK over the unproven guys we have?
If we are concerned with value and returns I ask you this
Headache or not
Is DK Metcalf 32 million dollars/ yr better than Pickens?
 
Pickens>>>>>Miller
Pickens >>>CAIII
Pickens >>>Wilson, but jury is out

in no way are Steeler WRs better without Pickens
 
Pickens is worth nothing if he cost you games. And thats what he does.

And as you watch the rest of this year, if he makes it thru the season, it will manifest itself x2 as they lose and as he doesnt get his way.
 
bigben said:
You think the Steelers WR room is better without George?
You wouldn't feel more confident having Pickens and DK over the unproven guys we have?
If we are concerned with value and returns I ask you this
Headache or not
Is DK Metcalf 32 million dollars/ yr better than Pickens?
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I am not an accountant. I will say DK’s value is higher due to his lack of problematic issues. On the field their production was similar. I will also say DK isn’t in his rookie stage of his contract so it is realistic to think it was going to be higher to bring him in. Just the nature of the position. I am sure if Pickens doesn’t manage to screw it up he will see a nice contract with someone.

Now of course I would have liked a number 2 brought in. Just didn’t materialize. At least they brought in a high end pass catching TE. The hope is that helps complement the talent in the room.
 
Confluence said:
Pickens>>>>>Miller
Pickens >>>CAIII
Pickens >>>Wilson, but jury is out

in no way are Steeler WRs better without Pickens
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He didn’t light up that room in crunch time Monday night. He did have a nice first down catch. Still three receptions what was it for 30 yards doesn’t exactly blow my socks off.

Of course his talent is there he has a top tier talent level with a basement level mentality.

Not sure that he won’t disappoint more than enamor.
 
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