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Ray Lewis’s Son passes away at 28

Very sad... 28 is YOUNG!
I'm on Norco for back and shoulder problems and so was required to get a two-pack of Narcan just in case I accidently take five times the dosage I'm on :rolleyes:.
But, I keep one in my truck in the unlikely case I come upon someone needing it. I gave the other to a young person I know who has a bad choice in friends.
Hopefully neither of us has to use them...
 
slashsteel said:
I have empathy for many especially children lost. I don't need to know a person to feel for their losses.
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I'm not doubting that. And Im not disrespectful of people's tragedy. I'm just saying the same thing is happening right now with someone not named Lewis and no one really knows and therefore cares.
 
SanDiegoSteeler said:
FU.
Young people dropping dead all over the place. Perfectly healthy young people. I was just questioning.

No idea if he had that **** in his bloodstream... but if you do, well i would worry.
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Maybe read the linked article and you might get an answer and not need to jump to conclusions, although it does say suspected in relation to cause of death.
 
Aussie_Steeler said:
Maybe read the linked article and you might get an answer and not need to jump to conclusions, although it does say suspected in relation to cause of death.
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I would have but my browser and OS wouldn't let me.

I understand now it was a drug overdose.. but I didn't when I posted.
Doesn't change the fact that perfectly healthy young people are dropping dead.

Again condolences to Ray Lewis and family.
No one should have to bury their child,
I was worried about that at one point. But He's 6 years clean. Bought a house. Living life. And unvaxed.

drugs suck.

And if I may be so bold to state God is good.
Happy Fathers Day to those who impregnated a partner.
 
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I’ve lost a couple auxiliary friends and family members to heroin… I sort of wish they legalized all the nonsensical lighter drugs and just turned the brunt of the DEA onto the hyper dangerous ones like Heroin and right now Fentanyl… honestly most of these ods these days are fentanyl related… and often they don’t even know what they’re taking..

There are stories of fentanyl being accidentally mixed into all sorts of drugs… so someone gets some black market Xanax and the dirty lab it was made in had cross contamination with something they were using fentanyl in and people OD on them… and all sorts of illicit pain meds use it..

Take a look at Cocaine deaths… back in 2013 their were like less than 5000 a year.. and most of those came from dealers accidentally blending heroin or another more dangerous substance into it through cross contamination or just plain stupidity..
by 2018 that number was up to about 15000 annually…, all because of the fentanyl contamination.


Listen, while I have never and will never do any of these drugs, I probably know well over a hundred who use cocaine regularly… and they aren’t degenerates or bad people. Many are upstanding professionals…some are among the most kind and generous people I know.

The whole fentanyl thing is extremely bad and honestly I would rather them get their drugs over the counter where it’s regulated and controlled than blowing billions trying to keep every drug out.
 
madinsomniac said:
I’ve lost a couple auxiliary friends and family members to heroin… I sort of wish they legalized all the nonsensical lighter drugs and just turned the brunt of the DEA onto the hyper dangerous ones like Heroin and right now Fentanyl… honestly most of these ods these days are fentanyl related… and often they don’t even know what they’re taking..

There are stories of fentanyl being accidentally mixed into all sorts of drugs… so someone gets some black market Xanax and the dirty lab it was made in had cross contamination with something they were using fentanyl in and people OD on them… and all sorts of illicit pain meds use it..

Take a look at Cocaine deaths… back in 2013 their were like less than 5000 a year.. and most of those came from dealers accidentally blending heroin or another more dangerous substance into it through cross contamination or just plain stupidity..
by 2018 that number was up to about 15000 annually…, all because of the fentanyl contamination.


Listen, while I have never and will never do any of these drugs, I probably know well over a hundred who use cocaine regularly… and they aren’t degenerates or bad people. Many are upstanding professionals…some are among the most kind and generous people I know.

The whole fentanyl thing is extremely bad and honestly I would rather them get their drugs over the counter where it’s regulated and controlled than blowing billions trying to keep every drug out.
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Weed is completely legal in Canada and we still have tons of overdoses and problems. Now BC is going to legal possession for hard drugs. I don't see any point of incarceration for users.......but saying it's all good probably not going to work either. It's just a plague.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
Weed is completely legal in Canada and we still have tons of overdoses and problems. Now BC is going to legal possession for hard drugs. I don't see any point of incarceration for users.......but saying it's all good probably not going to work either. It's just a plague.
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There is no such thing as a weed overdose… the numbers on the CDC site they tried to peddle are literally 100% people who got high and then died in traffic accidents… also legalizing weed,( which really probably never should have been illegal in the first place) would have little to do with the OD issues… nobody cuts weed with anything unless they are being malicious. The issues typically come from drug dealers using a mixing device to blend fentanyl and heroin or another really dangerous substance and then using tge same device to cut cocaine or some pill blend. This creates a batch where there is some pills or powder laced with the more dangerous stuff and some that probably isn’t.. so the idea is instead of banning it, if you regulate it you can somewhat eliminate that

Most ODs aren’t from intentional overindulgence, they come from mixing drugs or unknown dosages…

Now there are physically hyperaddicive drugs like heroin that still need squahed.. but that’s easier to do when you are concentrated on those things and not chasing pot dealers and cocaine pushers who are a dime a dozen.

I just don’t think the common non user realizes how many people are using the lighter stuff regularly… i worked in a professional company where the minimum Id guess was 85% of people did them.
When i was a roadie many years ago, i think that I was the only guy in the industry not partaking…
It’s probably just time to let the lighter stuff be legal… just focus on the things that cause the hardcore issues
 
madinsomniac said:
There is no such thing as a weed overdose… the numbers on the CDC site they tried to peddle are literally 100% people who got high and then died in traffic accidents… also legalizing weed,( which really probably never should have been illegal in the first place) would have little to do with the OD issues… nobody cuts weed with anything unless they are being malicious. The issues typically come from drug dealers using a mixing device to blend fentanyl and heroin or another really dangerous substance and then using tge same device to cut cocaine or some pill blend. This creates a batch where there is some pills or powder laced with the more dangerous stuff and some that probably isn’t.. so the idea is instead of banning it, if you regulate it you can somewhat eliminate that

Most ODs aren’t from intentional overindulgence, they come from mixing drugs or unknown dosages…

Now there are physically hyperaddicive drugs like heroin that still need squahed.. but that’s easier to do when you are concentrated on those things and not chasing pot dealers and cocaine pushers who are a dime a dozen.

I just don’t think the common non user realizes how many people are using the lighter stuff regularly… i worked in a professional company where the minimum Id guess was 85% of people did them.
When i was a roadie many years ago, i think that I was the only guy in the industry not partaking…
It’s probably just time to let the lighter stuff be legal… just focus on the things that cause the hardcore issues
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I never said there were weed overdose. My point is there is no solution. Incarceration doesn't work and neither does legalization.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
Weed is completely legal in Canada and we still have tons of overdoses and problems. Now BC is going to legal possession for hard drugs. I don't see any point of incarceration for users.......but saying it's all good probably not going to work either. It's just a plague.
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Tomatoes are completely legal.
Alcohol and cannabis are regulated thru distribution from approved sources.

You can buy shine or weed from your friend with a friend, but it is not legal and there are specified penalties. In many places, the enforcement is non-existent or is used unequally.

There are no reported overdoses or deaths from cannabis in either the US or Canada, but there are many people harmed, killed and incarcerated because of the still growing illicit trade.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
I never said there were weed overdose. My point is there is no solution. Incarceration doesn't work and neither does legalization.
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Legalization has been completely ****** up everywhere thus far, because cannabis has not really been made legal, and the regulations surrounding the legal production and sale are literally driving the legal sources into bankruptcy or insolvency......while the illicit market prospers because of the waning enforcement and greater public acceptance.
 
In Canada Cannibis sales are at the corner stores like liquor. As a business I don't think they are doing what they thought they would when they sold the license. Buy its legal exactly as liquor. Same rules.
 
madinsomniac said:
Listen, while I have never and will never do any of these drugs, I probably know well over a hundred who use cocaine regularly… and they aren’t degenerates or bad people. Many are upstanding professionals…some are among the most kind and generous people I know.
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I wonder how you can classify regular cocaine users as "upstanding professionals." Seems incongruous to me.

And by the way, it's still OK to just say that Lewis died. He didn't "pass away" at 28.
 
topseed said:
I wonder how you can classify regular cocaine users as "upstanding professionals." Seems incongruous to me.

And by the way, it's still OK to just say that Lewis died. He didn't "pass away" at 28.
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Because I’ve been around enough people that nobody would ever suspect are users and determined that it really doesn’t matter.

These people have held great jobs for decades, raise families, run charity events and do all sorts of volunteer work… and they use coke.

There are industries that are saturated with it because people often use it when caffeine won’t cut it to keep working…

I think its far more commonplace than non users think… and i think acting like this stuff is worse than it is makes it harder to scare people off the stuff that is really really bad… someone does weed and realizes all the scare tactics are bullshit… then they try coke and realize that the hyperbole around that is pretty much crap too… then, when people are telling them how serious meth or heroin are… they blow it off as more nonsense… then they die.
 
 
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Show me where I ever said any of those very specific cases were anything other than what they seemed. Now go research the huge numbers of other dead young athletes.
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What, like Ray Lewis Jr? Again, nothing to do with the vaccine. “Huge numbers” but somehow the NFL, NBA, MLB and all major NCAA sport’s athletes have gone unscathed. Strange that, no?
 
madinsomniac said:
Because I’ve been around enough people that nobody would ever suspect are users and determined that it really doesn’t matter.

These people have held great jobs for decades, raise families, run charity events and do all sorts of volunteer work… and they use coke.

There are industries that are saturated with it because people often use it when caffeine won’t cut it to keep working…

I think its far more commonplace than non users think… and i think acting like this stuff is worse than it is makes it harder to scare people off the stuff that is really really bad… someone does weed and realizes all the scare tactics are bullshit… then they try coke and realize that the hyperbole around that is pretty much crap too… then, when people are telling them how serious meth or heroin are… they blow it off as more nonsense… then they die.
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Well, I guess it's fortunate for all of these wonderful people you know that none of them were among the 24.500 cocaine-related deaths in this country in 2021. Or yet to be harmed whatsoever by any long-term effects like liver/kidney damage and ulcers.

Maybe it'll matter when they start dying of kidney failure. Or maybe not -- it will be easier to place the blame on something else, right?
 
topseed said:
Well, I guess it's fortunate for all of these wonderful people you know that none of them were among the 24.500 cocaine-related deaths in this country in 2021. Or yet to be harmed whatsoever by any long-term effects like liver/kidney damage and ulcers.

Maybe it'll matter when they start dying of kidney failure. Or maybe not -- it will be easier to place the blame on something else, right?
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No different than alcohol or cigarettes really.
Its a fool’s errand to try to eliminate such stuff, as both the war on drugs and particularly prohibition taught us…

Once more, pure cocaine without the dangerous addictive like fentanyl is not easy to OD on. The latest study showed are over 3,000 deaths per year on aspirin overdoses and asprin related organ damage. Thats pure asprin.
Prior to the advent of fentanyl, the deaths associated with cocaine were around 4,000 with the majority being from cocaine laced with something else.

Hey there was a time when I thought the war on drugs was worth a damn. It ain’t… legalize and regulate most of it. Turn the brunt of the dea towards tge real dangerous super addictive drugs like fentanyl meth and heroin.
 
madinsomniac said:
No different than alcohol or cigarettes really.
Its a fool’s errand to try to eliminate such stuff, as both the war on drugs and particularly prohibition taught us…

Once more, pure cocaine without the dangerous addictive like fentanyl is not easy to OD on. The latest study showed are over 3,000 deaths per year on aspirin overdoses and asprin related organ damage. Thats pure asprin.
Prior to the advent of fentanyl, the deaths associated with cocaine were around 4,000 with the majority being from cocaine laced with something else.

Hey there was a time when I thought the war on drugs was worth a damn. It ain’t… legalize and regulate most of it. Turn the brunt of the dea towards tge real dangerous super addictive drugs like fentanyl meth and heroin.
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I’m no expert or NOT even a recreational testimonial, but I’d think it would be pretty hard to find un-scathed cocaine in today’s modern world.


Salute the nation
 
I would think dealers would want to get rid of fentanyl. Dead clients mean no money. Fentanyl is pretty scary stuff there are videos of cops ODing on it just by touching money or other things contaminated by it.
 
madinsomniac said:
No different than alcohol or cigarettes really.
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Right. Having a beer during dinner with the kids is no different than snorting a few lines of a class II narcotic.

madinsomniac said:
Its a fool’s errand to try to eliminate such stuff, as both the war on drugs and particularly prohibition taught us…

Once more, pure cocaine without the dangerous addictive like fentanyl is not easy to OD on. The latest study showed are over 3,000 deaths per year on aspirin overdoses and asprin related organ damage. Thats pure asprin.
Prior to the advent of fentanyl, the deaths associated with cocaine were around 4,000 with the majority being from cocaine laced with something else.

Hey there was a time when I thought the war on drugs was worth a damn. It ain’t… legalize and regulate most of it. Turn the brunt of the dea towards tge real dangerous super addictive drugs like fentanyl meth and heroin.
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If the number of deaths has increased over sixfold since fentanyl came on the scene, then how can you so easily dismiss the danger of regular cocaine use? Hate to disappoint you, but they aren't going to legalize cocaine anytime soon. The lacing problem is going to get worse, not better.
 
jitter77 said:
I would think dealers would want to get rid of fentanyl. Dead clients mean no money. Fentanyl is pretty scary stuff there are videos of cops ODing on it just by touching money or other things contaminated by it.
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Its really a problem… probably the biggest drug related issue in the country …

Look, I not suggesting that its a smart idea to do coke… or pot… or he’ll even alcohol… and I drink… but you arent going to eliminate any of those drug’s from public use and really they aren’t the ones that are extremely addictive or deadly, so just regulate their production like with cigarettes… cigarettes have some of the deadliest additives known to mankind injected in them to boost their addictive properties, sometimes literally rat poison… but they are super regulated by the government…
Or caffeine…. People rarely OD on caffeine despite it being very dangerous at the right doses… its all regulated and produced commercially… the last big issue was when those kids in WV started sniffing powdered caffine for some stupid reason … which immediately was regulated out of the market it saw…
topseed said:
Right. Having a beer during dinner with the kids is no different than snorting a few lines of a class II narcotic.



If the number of deaths has increased over sixfold since fentanyl came on the scene, then how can you so easily dismiss the danger of regular cocaine use? Hate to disappoint you, but they aren't going to legalize cocaine anytime soon. The lacing problem is going to get worse, not better.
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Again, of you legalize it, the vast amount of the illegal production goes away… there just wouldn’t be a market for it. Legal products wouldn’t be laced with anything.


Its a weird wormhole to go down… its like with weed… states have legalized it but the feds wont… it isn’t even because of any safety reasons… its UN treaties that forbid them from doing so… UN treaties that were pushed by the countries that make the most money from drugs being illegal everywhere and them turning a blind eye to the cartels in their land making and selling them abroad…

Its why Selling drugs is illegal almost everywhere but possessing or using them has been decriminalized in a ton of countries now…

Its a money thing… like everything
 
Someones kid is dead at a young age. lets try and not solve the war on drugs in this thread. I dnt care why he is dead. it is sad regardeless.
 
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