• Please be aware we've switched the forums to their own URL. (again) You'll find the new website address to be www.steelernationforum.com Thanks
  • Please clear your private messages. Your inbox is close to being full.

Reality with Mark

stillwright

stillwright

Well-known member
Contributor
Joined
Oct 28, 2014
Messages
14,224
Reaction score
12,227
Points
113
https://triblive.com/sports/mark-madden-offseason-decisions-show-steelers-are-in-a-bad-place/

( Sent from TribLive )

The Steelers have fallen apart, and it seems as if they don't know what to do.

The promotion of Matt Canada from quarterbacks coach to offensive coordinator leaked, but now the Steelers interviewed former Cleveland head coach Hue Jackson for that job and will also discuss the position with Los Angeles Chargers quarterbacks coach Pep Hamilton.

Is that legit interest, or giving the illusion of due diligence, or merely satisfying the Rooney Rule? (Jackson and Hamilton are African American.)

Quarterback Dwayne Haskins was a first-round pick in 2019. He soiled the bed so badly in Washington that he got cut before his second season was over. Haskins signed a futures contract with the Steelers. He will be at training camp. Does a leaderless locker room full of unearned hubris need to add somebody who cost himself his last job via stupidity?

Do the Steelers somehow see something in Haskins, or is this because he and Mike Tomlin share the same agent?

Hank Fraley, who played at Robert Morris, is a candidate to replace Sean Sarrett as offensive line coach. The line of succession at that job would be a small-college lineman (Fraley) replacing somebody who never played a second of pro ball (Sarrett) replacing a Hall of Fame lineman (Mike Munchak).

You get what you pay for: The Steelers have the NFL's lowest coaching payroll and one of the league's smallest staffs (19 coaches). How often do Tomlin's assistants get interviewed for better jobs? (Bruce Arians had to "retire.")

The Steelers reportedly put off hiring their offensive coordinator because they wanted to hire the offensive line coach first. But shouldn't the former precede (and approve) the latter?

The Steelers have long been among the NFL's legendary organizations. But they currently appear clueless. They (and their fans) embrace things that are inconsequential.

It doesn't matter than Tomlin has never had a losing season. What matters is what's recent, and the last four years have ended in disaster. No other franchise in the NFL would retain their coach after the last four seasons the Steelers had. But the Steelers never fire the coach.

It doesn't matter that Ben Roethlisberger is one of the two or three most important players in Steelers history. He's not a big quarterback with mobility anymore. That's what made him special. Good teams have a cruel streak. The Steelers must cut ties with Roethlisberger.

Consistent respectability doesn't matter. Finish middle, draft middle, stay middle. Getting several top-10 draft picks in a row would benefit the Steelers more than retaining the old gang for next season and narrowly making (or missing) the playoffs. The Steelers have zero chance to win a Super Bowl next year. They need to do a conventional rebuilding.

Elite defense matters, but not as much as the Steelers think. It's not that kind of game or league. Where did elite defense get the Steelers these past two seasons? They didn't sack Baker Mayfield in their playoff loss, or even get a QB hit. Offense is king. Defense is complementary.

The Steelers have a 38-year-old quarterback who averaged 3 air yards per completion. The rest of the AFC North has an elite quarterback just approaching his prime.

The Steelers are in a bad place, and their evaluation and decision-making seem hesitant and haphazard. Losing five of six after starting 11-0 and ending the season with a playoff loss to Cleveland seems to have rattled the franchise as well as the fan base.

Mark Madden hosts a radio show 3-6 p.m. weekdays on WXDX-FM (105.9).
 
ZonaBurgh said:
Madden is a bit of an ***, but he is half right, Steeler management is spiraling down.
Click to expand...

Dude has been writing some truthful articles of late. Whether he is an *** or not.
 
I agree with almost all of that. I have no illusions about Haskins. I just think with their cap situation, you have to take a chance like this. Its only a futures deal, for crying out loud.
 
Funny thing about Madden. He'll write something ****** about a popular player, let's say Ben or TJ, and Steeler Nation calls him a hack. He writes something that agrees with your point of view and he's all of the sudden a football guru. Dude writes/talks for click bait only. So, from my perspective, I just don't read him. Cause tomorrow, he'll say something else. Just like Benz, who wrote in Oct. that the Steelers should look into trading for Haskins. Then, seeing which way the wind was blowing with the fans, says it's a terrible decision to get the guy for basically nothing.
(Virtual shrug) ... I can't stand writers whose opinions change depending on what the team does, who always blow the negatives out of proportion and who take the easy "click bait" approach to writing.
 
as much as i hate to admit it (because of what a fat assbag madden has always been), but, he's basically about the only halfway-relevant talking head who's willing to call the Steelers out for their ***-grabbery as of the last couple of years, as far as their decision-making processes have been concerned. no other sycophant talking head out there is going to tell it like he will.
 
Omar10213245 said:
as much as i hate to admit it (because of what a fat assbag madden has always been), but, he's basically about the only halfway-relevant talking head who's willing to call the Steelers out for their ***-grabbery as of the last couple of years, as far as their decision-making processes have been concerned. no other sycophant talking head out there is going to tell it like he will.
Click to expand...



What's even more frustrating is the local beat writers will NOT question any tough or realistic question durring post game interviews etc.. It use to drive me crazy but not so much any more as ONE can bang their heard on concrete how many times before they realize it hurts. **** gets old.




Salute the nation
 
Wash, rinse, repeat,yawn.
It’s going to be a frigging long off season.
 
Does a leaderless locker room full of unearned hubris need to add somebody who cost himself his last job via stupidity?
Click to expand...

This is why i hate the haskins signing. People say there's no risk but there is a risk. When i see how JuJu's tik tok habit became an issue, it shows a lack of leadership on this team, particularly on the offensive side. Tomlin let AB go nuts and it seems he was letting JuJu do whatever he wanted as well. You don't have to go drill sergeant but you have to have discipline.

The offense is young and may get even younger. Pouncey gone. Big Al may be gone. Add a headcase in the mix and maybe a few of those young guys turn sour.

I heard reports that Lev Bell was greatly influenced by Legarrette Blount. They became quick pals and from that point Bell was a different guy. That's all we need is a ******** like Haskins convincing a young guy like Dionte that he doesn't need to put in the work so long as he's getting paid.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
... That's all we need is a ******** like Haskins convincing a young guy like Dionte that he doesn't need to put in the work so long as he's getting paid.
Click to expand...

Judging by his drop % this year and his history of making mistakes early in games, I wonder if Dionte hasn't already taken that route without any outside influence.
 
The Haskins part is meh. Its a free look at a 15th overall. I can't blame them for that. Rest sounds fair and accurate.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
This is why i hate the haskins signing. People say there's no risk but there is a risk. When i see how JuJu's tik tok habit became an issue, it shows a lack of leadership on this team, particularly on the offensive side. Tomlin let AB go nuts and it seems he was letting JuJu do whatever he wanted as well. You don't have to go drill sergeant but you have to have discipline.

The offense is young and may get even younger. Pouncey gone. Big Al may be gone. Add a headcase in the mix and maybe a few of those young guys turn sour.

I heard reports that Lev Bell was greatly influenced by Legarrette Blount. They became quick pals and from that point Bell was a different guy. That's all we need is a ******** like Haskins convincing a young guy like Dionte that he doesn't need to put in the work so long as he's getting paid.
Click to expand...

I don't see Haskins having that kind of impact. Blount was established in the league. You and I might be as established as Haskins. Moreover, unless he is a complete idiot, he has to know that.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
Judging by his drop % this year and his history of making mistakes early in games, I wonder if Dionte hasn't already taken that route without any outside influence.
Click to expand...


I read that towards the end of season (not sure which week, 12ish) that DJ had started using and dedicating more time to the JUGGs machine and it seemed to help. His drops when tapered and hopefully he sees this and keeps working hard.





Salute the nation
 
Drink IRON City said:
I read that towards the end of season (not sure which week, 12ish) that DJ had started using and dedicating more time to the JUGGs machine and it seemed to help. His drops when tapered and hopefully he sees this and keeps working hard.





Salute the nation
Click to expand...
Yep he was clearly focused and now knows what he needs to work on. I believe that he will continue to do just that. He should bring Ebron over and hit the jugs every evening. Until they can catch in their sleep.

Sent from my moto g(7) power using Steeler Nation mobile app
 
slashsteel said:
Yep he was clearly focused and now knows what he needs to work on. I believe that he will continue to do just that. He should bring Ebron over and hit the jugs every evening. Until they can catch in their sleep.

Sent from my moto g(7) power using Steeler Nation mobile app
Click to expand...


Deonte is a smart worker and can be influenced but is realizing good from bad influence as he grows in the football world. Deonte will continue to work.

Eric EBRON has shown time and again he is a lazy, relies on his athletic speed, and mentally small. I doubt he puts the work in to improve by much. Deonte was out on the field 3 1/2 hours before a game and put in an hour of Juggs, I don't see Eric putting in that dedication.

Don't get me wrong because EBRON as is, is a big up-grade but oh he could be so much more if fully willing to put in the time.




Salute the nation
 
If Madden would stick to writing articles with substances instead of being a shock jock journalist 24/7, maybe we would get some more truth from his writing. Instead of being stand-off with the Steelers, they need someone like him asking the hard questions, as the Steelers mgmt looks clueless and spiraling down. He is a blowhard and like a squirrel, MM finds a nut once in awhile.
 
THe Steelers still have to prove to me they are anything special post Dan Rooney...

I dont think people get how great a football guy Rooney really was...

Art 2 seems like a good guy, but so was his grampa... and the old Art won **** until Dan was in control...

I don’t think Art has the leagues ear like Dan, Im not sure he isnt just doing moves in the name of PR...

I hope I am wrong...
 
The Steelers finished in the middle the previous two years and just went 12-4. The best players on their roster outside of Ben over the years (Heyward, Watt, DeCastro) have been late first-round picks. They recently traded for top-10 draft talent (Bush and Fitzpatrick). I don’t agree with assessment that you have to tank to get talent.
 
Madden’s full of ****. It’s easy to kick a team when they are down.

He’s a hack who gets paid to get people to hate him, so basically a heel in pro wrestling. See how that worked out, he was failure there too


Sent from my iPhone using Steeler Nation mobile app
 
SteelerFan448 said:
The Steelers finished in the middle the previous two years and just went 12-4. The best players on their roster outside of Ben over the years (Heyward, Watt, DeCastro) have been late first-round picks. They recently traded for top-10 draft talent (Bush and Fitzpatrick). I don’t agree with assessment that you have to tank to get talent.
Click to expand...

As much as hate to say it—Brown/Bell were All Pros multiple years & Shazier injury couldn’t be predicted

As far as “player in league” coach, Joey Porter & Carnell Lake didn’t work magic


Sent from my iPhone using Steeler Nation mobile app
 
FSF said:
As much as hate to say it—Brown/Bell were All Pros multiple years & Shazier injury couldn’t be predicted

As far as “player in league” coach, Joey Porter & Carnell Lake didn’t work magic
Click to expand...

I was just thinkin of guys still on the team.
 
The part about needing to draft high to improve is a bunch of nonsense, other than that I agree with him. The organization is staying the course to a fault. I think every other team in the league would have fired Tomlin. I fear that two years from now the Steelers are in their first or second year of trying to develop Haskins after he flashed potential in pre-season play.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top