Religion of Peace question

[deljzc]

Um...the kid wasn't killing in the name of Christianity, no "God is Great" bullshit while spraying those blacks with bullets in that church.. If he indeed was a Christian, he was a CINO...Christian In Name Only....like me.

As many times as this has been explained to you people, you think it would have sunk in by now.

The are many Muslims that feel people that commit violence in the name is Islam are "Muslims in Name Only" too.

I'm not trying to defend it. I think all religions are pretty bad. And the logic behind the old testament separation of Jews (Abraham through Isaac) and Muslims (Abraham through Ishmael) is the basis for ALL of this. You can't wipe out Islam unless you wipe out Judaism and likewise Christianity. They are all three so tied together that to me they are all almost the same. In each religion there is tons of rhetoric but the message is the same: Your Religion is the "Chosen Religion". Your Religion is Superior.

I think it's all foolish ideological fiction.

But it's real for a lot of people. They take it very seriously. It's like being a fan of a team except you believe your soul depends on it. And that type of fanaticism in anything can be easily twisted to do very evil things.

 

[Superman]

There were anti-abortion groups in the name of Christianity that encourage violence. The KKK's whole backbone is based in Christianity.

The only reason the religions are different is the people spouting the message. There just aren't many 3rd world, violent parts of the world that are home to "extreme Christianity". Islam on the other hand resonates because it (by it's definition) is the red-headed step child of the monolithic deity religions that spawned out of the old testament. When Christians and Jews spout off about being God's "Chosen People" it's easy to cling psychologically to the opposite of that, especially if you feel your outcome in life is dictated by those groups and governments.

There's a reason Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and it has a lot to do with the arrogance of 1st world countries of western civilization and the religions they proclaim as being the best.

You don't think Santa Muerte and other outshoots of Christiana are part of the violence in Mexico? What's the difference? Any violent group can twist any religion into a cause to commit violence.

To me it's a chicken and egg thing. Did Islam come first and THEN the violence or would these be violent places regardless of religion and religion is just a tool?

those anti-abortion groups protested outside Planned Parenthood, correct? you know, where babies are killed.
the KKK also has it's roots based in Democrats.

maybe we just ban Democrats?

the hypocrisy is that when Muzzies do this kind of ****, Democrats and left-leaning ******* blame the weaponry used and encourage the masses to not categorize an entire religion based on one individual. Yet, when a Christian does **** like this, all of Christianity and it's off-spring are to blame. Sure, they toss in a few symbolistic gestures, but by and far, the entire religion is put on trial.

 

[Rod Farva]

Sorry Del.....the groups you mention cloak themselves in false Christianity. musloids, on the other hand are doing precisely what their "bible" and "god" tells them to do. You keep that head in the sand though.

Personally I think the middle east is a case of arrested evolution.

 

[diver]

There were anti-abortion groups in the name of Christianity that encourage violence. The KKK's whole backbone is based in Christianity.

The only reason the religions are different is the people spouting the message. There just aren't many 3rd world, violent parts of the world that are home to "extreme Christianity". Islam on the other hand resonates because it (by it's definition) is the red-headed step child of the monolithic deity religions that spawned out of the old testament. When Christians and Jews spout off about being God's "Chosen People" it's easy to cling psychologically to the opposite of that, especially if you feel your outcome in life is dictated by those groups and governments.

There's a reason Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and it has a lot to do with the arrogance of 1st world countries of western civilization and the religions they proclaim as being the best.

You don't think Santa Muerte and other outshoots of Christiana are part of the violence in Mexico? What's the difference? Any violent group can twist any religion into a cause to commit violence.

To me it's a chicken and egg thing. Did Islam come first and THEN the violence or would these be violent places regardless of religion and religion is just a tool?

But read what Ron said. Christianity is not encouraging it's followers to go out there and kill people. There is no where in the Bible where it states that people must convert or die.

I guess you think, "Hey, why should we be upset that Iran won't let us see their nukes? We wouldn't let anyone see ours." We are the good guys. The United States of America has been a greater force for good in this world than any other country in history. Christianity has been a greater force for good than any other religion as well.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

There were anti-abortion groups in the name of Christianity that encourage violence. The KKK's whole backbone is based in Christianity.

On a twisted reading of Christianity. Muslims going out and killing non-Muslims isn't a twisted reading of the Koran, it's straight-up.

The only reason the religions are different is the people spouting the message.

I'm sorry that you had a bad experience with religion and Sister Mary Elephant rapped your knuckles with a ruler.

There just aren't many 3rd world, violent parts of the world that are home to "extreme Christianity". Islam on the other hand resonates because it (by it's definition) is the red-headed step child of the monolithic deity religions that spawned out of the old testament. When Christians and Jews spout off about being God's "Chosen People" it's easy to cling psychologically to the opposite of that, especially if you feel your outcome in life is dictated by those groups and governments.

The preacher at my church doesn't tell me to kill the people in the other church down the street because they are a different religion.

There's a reason Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and it has a lot to do with the arrogance of 1st world countries of western civilization and the religions they proclaim as being the best.

I think it's more that birth rates are always high in third world countries, plus the Muzzies realize that they need to overpopulate the world in order to take over. They could just as easily stay in their third world shitholes where nothing offends them. Why do they move to the U.S., England, France, Sweden, etc. where they are offended by uncovered women, alcohol, and bacon? It's because they want to take over.

To me it's a chicken and egg thing. Did Islam come first and THEN the violence or would these be violent places regardless of religion and religion is just a tool?

Islam was violent from day one. It's in their holy book.

 

[BLITZ]

It's on the complete other side of the state.

exactly! I blame Forrest.

 

[Spike]

Poor befuddled CNN laments.... "Why?" Why?" "Why?"

Because radical Islam wants to destroy America and will kill any Americans it can - that's why


We must use counter-jihad, something an animal would understand

Bulldoze every mosque in the area, drag the mullah leaders into the street, shave off their beards and flog them in public till they talk

 

[deljzc]

those anti-abortion groups protested outside Planned Parenthood, correct? you know, where babies are killed.
the KKK also has it's roots based in Democrats.

maybe we just ban Democrats?

the hypocrisy is that when Muzzies do this kind of ****, Democrats and left-leaning ******* blame the weaponry used and encourage the masses to not categorize an entire religion based on one individual. Yet, when a Christian does **** like this, all of Christianity and it's off-spring are to blame. Sure, they toss in a few symbolistic gestures, but by and far, the entire religion is put on trial.

I don't quite understand this.

In the whole thread of the Charleston shootings I didn't see one post putting Christianity in a negative light.

In this thread, there have been about 5 already pointing towards Islam as the cause/reason/responsibility.

Why aren't they the same? Aren't they the same criss-crossed wires in the brain, the same mental issues, the same anger, the same reasons someone decides to become violent? Aren't their targets based completely on similar reasons? Ideologies they both grew up around, off-handed remarks by parents/sibling? Where does hatred start? People aren't born fanatics of religion. People aren't born racist. Those are both similar paths of twisting rights vs. wrongs into justification for suffering and evil.

You're not going to bait me into a gun debate. I'm not going to blame the gun. I'd like stricter gun controls but I fully agree it's not going to stop things like this from happening (at least not for decades). I'm sure as this story gets more uncovered we'll find out where and how he got the weapons for his attack. The left leaning media won't let that go.

I just think we're slipping more and more into a Christian vs. Muslim justification for who knows what. And history has shown there is never a "winner" in those confrontations. You are not going to "wipe out" Islam. You are not going to "convert" them to your thinking. So you better have a better plan to deal with this over the next century.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Poor befuddled CNN laments.... "Why?" Why?" "Why?"

Because radical Islam wants to destroy America and will kill any Americans it can - that's why


We must use counter-jihad, something an animal would understand

Bulldoze every mosque in the area, drag the mullah leaders into the street, shave off their beards and flog them in public till they talk

Racist! Islam is loving. And peaceful. They love America.

 

[Spike]

CNN - hot topic headline for the day is "AK-47, 30 rd clips"

not

Father of Tennessee Shooter Was on Terrorist List

The father was on a terrorist watch list and even questioned during a trip out of the country, but eventually his name was taken off the terrorist list.

Although counterterrorism officials had not been investigating Mr. Abdulazeez before Thursday’s shooting, federal officials familiar with the inquiry said that his father had been investigated years ago for giving money to an organization with possible ties to terrorists.

​http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/17/us...ting.html?_r=0

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so, the apple never falls far from the tree... Jordanian = Palestinian = Hamas = funded by Iran?

Look!

A flag!

 

[IndySteel]

This Islam ISIS **** is out of control. ***** *** liberals want to empathize with them. Bullshit! Kill 'em all! It's the only way.

 

[Spike]

Chattanooga gunman's motive remains a mystery, authorities say

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-tennessee-shooting-update-20150717-story.html#page=1

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What a complete mystery. hmmmmmmm. I wonder what it possibly could have been? hmmmmmm..

The media is trying desperately to paint this as anything but Islamic Jihad

 

[Superman]

I don't quite understand this.

In the whole thread of the Charleston shootings I didn't see one post putting Christianity in a negative light.

In this thread, there have been about 5 already pointing towards Islam as the cause/reason/responsibility.

Why aren't they the same? Aren't they the same criss-crossed wires in the brain, the same mental issues, the same anger, the same reasons someone decides to become violent? Aren't their targets based completely on similar reasons? Ideologies they both grew up around, off-handed remarks by parents/sibling? Where does hatred start? People aren't born fanatics of religion. People aren't born racist. Those are both similar paths of twisting rights vs. wrongs into justification for suffering and evil.

You're not going to bait me into a gun debate. I'm not going to blame the gun. I'd like stricter gun controls but I fully agree it's not going to stop things like this from happening (at least not for decades). I'm sure as this story gets more uncovered we'll find out where and how he got the weapons for his attack. The left leaning media won't let that go.

I just think we're slipping more and more into a Christian vs. Muslim justification for who knows what. And history has shown there is never a "winner" in those confrontations. You are not going to "wipe out" Islam. You are not going to "convert" them to your thinking. So you better have a better plan to deal with this over the next century.

that dude wasnt running around with crosses and most likely sure as **** didnt scream "In Jesus' name" before firing his rounds.
we saw him with a Confederate flag and since then that flag has been pushed to be offensive.

in all Muslim-related shootings/killings, the common denomintator is ... The Koran.
when can we lump that **** into "offensive"?

 

[Max Power]

If there was a "God" he/she would eliminate all those killing in the name of religion from the face of the earth. They're still around and still hard a work. What a concept.

Sometimes I wish there was a place like hell where all these terrorists would end up to pay the piper instead of the old Dirt Nap they actually get to enjoy.

 

[Spike]

wait, did I just say Jordanian = Palestinian = Hamas?

maybe they're listening


Shooting Suspect’s Trip to Jordan Scrutinized by Authorities

"Mohammod Youssuf Abdulazeez spent about seven months in Jordan last year, according to one person close to the investigation. The visit was one of a number of trips he took to that country during his life. He also held Jordanian citizenship, officials said"

http://www.wsj.com/articles/chattan...-jordan-scrutinized-by-authorities-1437140737

 

[Spike]

This Islam ISIS **** is out of control. ***** *** liberals want to empathize with them. Bullshit! Kill 'em all! It's the only way.

"The official said it was still too early to determine whether Mr. Abdulazeez had been inspired or directed by Islamic extremists or any other terrorist organization."


He was just probably bullied in school by ROTCers, yeah, that's why he killed

 

[deljzc]

I don't know how the word "terrorist" would change the response to this situation.

I would certainly investigate his home life. Just like we investigate every mass shooter's home life to see if the ideology that leads to this type of violence originated or was propagated by others.

His traveling to Jordan is a huge red flag that this has been in the back of his mind for a long time. Maybe he went to share in his electrical engineering knowledge that he got in this country with his fellow citizens. Maybe he got further brainwashed into the fight against Zionism and Western Culture. Who knows.

The question is not to super dissect this guy's life looking for all the answers but the question is should and how this event should change any meaningful policy towards Muslims or the Middle East.

A lot of people hate the United States. That's not a crime. The shooting and killing people is a crime. We can't go around arresting everyone that is against our government's actions in the Middle East and is of Muslim faith.

But I do agree that part of the reason I want to have a large military force in the Middle East is because I want that type of military target to be the focal point of violent extremism. Maybe a guy like this stays in Jordan and decides his target should be a military target THERE rather than a partly civilian target here in the United States. I think the more we retreat from the region, the more likely extremist groups will have the balls to target us here in the United States.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I don't quite understand this.

Because you're a Liberal apologist and moral relativist. It's okay, we're used to it here.

In the whole thread of the Charleston shootings I didn't see one post putting Christianity in a negative light.

Because it wasn't a religiously motivated shooting. Are you really that stupid?

In this thread, there have been about 5 already pointing towards Islam as the cause/reason/responsibility.

Because all Muslim terrorist attacks are religiously motivated. Their religion tells them to do it.

Aren't they the same criss-crossed wires in the brain, the same mental issues, the same anger, the same reasons someone decides to become violent?

No.

Aren't their targets based completely on similar reasons?

No.

Ideologies they both grew up around, off-handed remarks by parents/sibling?

Mohammed's father was on the terrorist watch list.

Where does hatred start? People aren't born fanatics of religion. People aren't born racist. Those are both similar paths of twisting rights vs. wrongs into justification for suffering and evil.

Several recent incidents would indicate that it happens when they start checking in to radical Islamist websites. I think with some of them it's a matter that they can't get a date so the idea of joining a religion where the women are the mens' slaves is appealing. There is also a high level of frustration among the Muzzies because they are indoctrinated all their lives that Islam is the greatest religion but they see that their countries are third world shitholes and the rest of the world is passing them by. Their religion gets in the way of progress and their answer is not to change and adapt, but rather to destroy the other. The Amish religion gets in the way of progress too but they don't behead and blow people up over it.

I just think we're slipping more and more into a Christian vs. Muslim justification for who knows what.

Christianity is better. I don't have a problem saying that.

And history has shown there is never a "winner" in those confrontations. You are not going to "wipe out" Islam. You are not going to "convert" them to your thinking. So you better have a better plan to deal with this over the next century.

We can start by not letting them into our country and prosecuting the Muslim church in America and CAIR under the RICO statutes, which they do qualify for and the charges would stick. Wouldn't be politically correct, which is why we need President Trump.

 

[Spike]

Fallen Marines identified

Lance Cpl Skip Wells, 21, just finished boot camp

Gunny Thomas J. Sullivan, 40

Staff Sgt David Wyatt

Sgt Carson Holmquist

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ooga-shooting-gunman-Muhammad-Abdulazeez.html

 

[SCSteeler4life]

I don't quite understand this.

In the whole thread of the Charleston shootings I didn't see one post putting Christianity in a negative light.

In this thread, there have been about 5 already pointing towards Islam as the cause/reason/responsibility.

Why aren't they the same? Aren't they the same criss-crossed wires in the brain, the same mental issues, the same anger, the same reasons someone decides to become violent? Aren't their targets based completely on similar reasons? Ideologies they both grew up around, off-handed remarks by parents/sibling? Where does hatred start? People aren't born fanatics of religion. People aren't born racist. Those are both similar paths of twisting rights vs. wrongs into justification for suffering and evil.

You're not going to bait me into a gun debate. I'm not going to blame the gun. I'd like stricter gun controls but I fully agree it's not going to stop things like this from happening (at least not for decades). I'm sure as this story gets more uncovered we'll find out where and how he got the weapons for his attack. The left leaning media won't let that go.

I just think we're slipping more and more into a Christian vs. Muslim justification for who knows what. And history has shown there is never a "winner" in those confrontations. You are not going to "wipe out" Islam. You are not going to "convert" them to your thinking. So you better have a better plan to deal with this over the next century.

Because that kid was no Christian. My preacher has never told me to go out and murder anyone in the name of Jesus. The Koran tells them to murder those who won't convert. Huge difference.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Because that kid was no Christian. My preacher has never told me to go out and murder anyone in the name of Jesus. The Koran tells them to murder those who won't convert. Huge difference.

But...but...THE CRUSADES!!! All religions have extremists!!!

 

[deljzc]

I think people are confusing the Islamic religion and the Quran with how that religion has been implemented by use of the Sharia Law.

Sharia Law is the antithesis of democracy and human rights. I agree with people here that our government should probably be tougher on countries that use Islam through Sharia Law to create "religious states". I strongly believe in separation of church and state and unfortunately there is a vast swath of the Muslim world that isn't even close to getting there.

If we have a philosophical war (similar to the Capitalism vs. Communism debate of the cold war) it is not between Christianity and Islam. It is the difference between Western Law (which excludes religion as a basis for decisions) vs. Sharia Law which is based completely in Islamic teachings.

Not every Muslim or Muslim nation believes in Sharia Law as a realistic path to govern it's population.

Maybe our country and our allies need to take a harder line and opinion against Sharia Law and denounce countries that use it. That's most of the fundamental Islamic countries you guys are worried about anyhow. But how we go about doing that is a difficult question with not many feasible solutions.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Not every Muslim or Muslim nation believes in Sharia Law as a realistic path to govern it's population.

True, however the number of people who DO is increasing daily.

Maybe our country and our allies need to take a harder line and opinion against Sharia Law and denounce countries that use it. That's most of the fundamental Islamic countries you guys are worried about anyhow. But how we go about doing that is a difficult question with not many feasible solutions.

Not gonna happen until our Muslim President's second term is up.

 

[deljzc]

The problem is we have never used "human rights" as a reason not to deal with certain governments. Saudi Arabia uses Sunni Sharia Law just as much as Iran uses Shia Sharia Law yet one is our ally and one is our mortal enemy.

Both regimes are terrible in their track records of human rights. As many extremist terrorists originate in Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan (our supposed allies) as in Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan (our supposed enemies).

For many years our government's foreign policy didn't care how bad a dictator was as long as he was FOR US and not FOR OUR ENEMIES (i.e. USSR or China). The end of the cold war kind of opened up the floodgates on what we should be doing with all these bad regimes we've been funding and arming all in the name of "prevent the spread of communism" and diplomatically dividing the 3rd world between us and USSR/China.

The moral high ground is to stop supporting these figureheads of cruelty but that opens up vast areas to civil war, religious jihadists and ethnic cleansing. And war and anarchy cultivates terrorists more than any religion does.

I guess we could go back to the old way. Secretly support dictators that keep the locals in line using any/all methods they deem fit. Wall them in with sanctions. Bomb them occasionally to show the lemmings we are against them. But that seems like an idea equivalent of getting the cat back into the bag. There is too much transparency in our foreign relation policies to go around propping up the Marcos', Noriegas, Quadaffis and Husseins like we did in the 1960's and 1970's. And when the people finally revolt against their masters, it will be harder to justify our support.

I agree 100% there are vast parts of this world that are not ready for "Western" governments. They don't fundamentally understand "freedom" like we do. They can't comprehend separation of church and state, the rights of minorities or how losing an election isn't the end of the world. It took our country a lot of growing pains to get to where we are (and it's still far from perfect as so many here point out).

But that begs the question if areas of the world are not ready for democracy (or something close to it), what SHOULD be there? What is acceptable to us as a country?

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Not all Germans were bad either, but that whole Nazi thing kinda labeled them.