Rooney Rule

[steelhurt]

What’s lost I think is the fact that a rule is even needed. I mean to say, hire the best candidate for the job of head coach, that’s all.
If a bright, full of potential, ambitious young assistant coach, with a proven record of success who is looking for his opportunity to make his mark, then that should be what the owners are looking for.
Why should race even enter into the equation?


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[SteelerSask2]

I think theres only been like 4 White DBs in NFL History

Weddle
Seahorn
Tillman
Lynch

Lol I wouldnt be surprised. Great Rap Stars and DBs who are white. Very short list.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

TAlso, I'm not exactly sure who qualifies for the Rooney rule. Can it be a religious minority too?

Or Hispanic (Ron Rivera). Or convert to Buddhism or Hinduism. Gruden can claim to be Native American. It worked for Elizabeth Warren.
If I were a black assistant coach I'd at least be getting some first-class flights and five star hotels and restaurants, top shelf hookers, fly around the country for a few how-do-you-do's, and go back home.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

I think theres only been like 4 White DBs in NFL History

Weddle
Seahorn
Tillman
Lynch

Mike Wagner

 

[ark steel]

Everything that tape typed, I agree with.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

I think theres only been like 4 White DBs in NFL History

Weddle
Seahorn
Tillman
Lynch

Don't forget that Safety the Steelers took back in the day ... Scott Shields

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Quotas for ANY reason are just plain wrong.

It’s not a quota. The media seems to think it is which is why they write the same stories every offseason if not enough black coaches are hired. But that’s not what the rule actually is.

 

[blitzburgh418]

Harrison smith Vikings

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

This rule is nonsense and should be abandoned. As an owner i interview and hire who I want regardless of race color etc. the rule itself is insulting

You still can hire anybody you like under the Rooney Rule.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Harrison smith Vikings

And he went to Notre Dame. That’s like double white.

 

[scstillerfan]

And soon TDX will be at safety.

 

[SteelerSask2]

I agree. Harrison Smith counts for two.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Don't forget that Safety the Steelers took back in the day ... Scott Shields

Shields does not count. He was too white and was cut before he did anything.

 

[madinsomniac]

Yeah its weird because it only mandates an interview... so basically there are a bunch of token candidates for jobs predetermined to some retread or internal hire... its a failed rule, but like they said, still a rule...

This is another reason the league should have started a minor league years ago.. you want good new pro coaches... train em and weed out the failures outside of the NFL... teams would be more open letting novice head coaches work down there and it would be easier to get a job if you prove successful with a pro team

 

[milkman dan]

The Undefeated is pretty much a sports themed Black Lives Matter blog that ESPN bought.

The intent of the Rooney Rule was just to make sure that a wider group of people got interviews. Somehow it is now thought it was supposed to be some kind of quota system where X number of minority coaches should be hired every year.

I heard some idiot say that Tomlin was the last time the Rooney Rule actually worked. Because he was the last no name black coach to get a head coaching job. That’s a complete misunderstanding of the rule.

The point is to get more coaches names out there. Also, whenever you get interviewed, you gain experience for your next interview. So, people look at a situation like the Raiders and cry about how it’s going against the Rooney Rule because a minority has no shot and the interview will be a sham. That’s not true.

If the Raiders interview a minority, what happens is that person’s name is then in the air as having been interviewed for a head coaching job. That is a big deal becuase it will lead to more interviews. Also, the candidate will have experience being interviewed and will likely guve a much better interview the next time. In other words, it gives you a practice run for the future, and that has paid off several times.

i can’t tell you how many times i’ve heard about longtime black and white coaches that don’t get a head coaching job because they suck in the interview.

There have been many black head coaches since the Rooney Rule. What we’ve learned is that black coaches suck at the job too. There’s a reason why the same coaches get hired over and over. It’s because most fail, regardless of race. It really is a huge leap of faith to hire any coach who has never done it before.

If you are a GM and you’ve been there a few years with a losing record and you know that this coaching hire will determine if you get fired or not in a year or so, how big of a risk do you take. Do you hire the young assistant who has never done it, or do you look for a recycled guy like John Fox who may not have won it all but he has been successful?

I guarantee if Marvin Lewis left the Bengals, he would have been hired almost immediately by another team.

This.

 

[Hypocycloids]

If the Raiders already had a predetermined choice of who they want to be their head coach, then the Rooney rule is out the window imo.

But if the Raiders had several candidates in mind and were going to select a coach by the interview process then yes, the Rooney rule should apply.

Simple as that.

 

[coolshark]

You still can hire anybody you like under the Rooney Rule.

Exactly, interviewing a minority just to go through the motion is insulting

Get rid of it

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

I think theres only been like 4 White DBs in NFL History

Weddle
Seahorn
Tillman
Lynch

hey lets not forget Dick Lebeau! And Ross Fiechtner,, Randy's dad.

 

[Steelerfreak]

I agree, but didn't Tomlin knock the Rooney's socks off when it appeared Russ Grimm was the shoe-in replacement? I'd want the chance for experience and that potential to bring something to the table they weren't expecting. Everyone is different, though.

I once interviewed for a position I was 99% sure was going to someone else. I had the opportunity to hear the questions, then take notes about the experience for future opportunities when I would be more seasoned. Didn't get that promotion, but it did give a view into the process that helped out down the road.


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[tapeANaspirin2it]

Exactly, interviewing a minority just to go through the motion is insulting

Get rid of it

So i take it you are against the concept of expanded preseason rosters. They should just have 53 guys in camp. It's insulting to guys who don't make the final roster.

Did Kurt Warner waste his time when he was behind Favre, Brunell and Ty Detmer in training camp in Green Bay?

Any young coach who turns down an interview is a fool. It gets your name out there and gives them valuable practice at being interviewed. I don't see what is so hard to understand about that,

 

[FordFairLane]

But affirmative action has worked so well for America lol


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[steelermania]

The Undefeated is pretty much a sports themed Black Lives Matter blog that ESPN bought.

The intent of the Rooney Rule was just to make sure that a wider group of people got interviews. Somehow it is now thought it was supposed to be some kind of quota system where X number of minority coaches should be hired every year.

I heard some idiot say that Tomlin was the last time the Rooney Rule actually worked. Because he was the last no name black coach to get a head coaching job. That’s a complete misunderstanding of the rule.

The point is to get more coaches names out there. Also, whenever you get interviewed, you gain experience for your next interview. So, people look at a situation like the Raiders and cry about how it’s going against the Rooney Rule because a minority has no shot and the interview will be a sham. That’s not true.

If the Raiders interview a minority, what happens is that person’s name is then in the air as having been interviewed for a head coaching job. That is a big deal becuase it will lead to more interviews. Also, the candidate will have experience being interviewed and will likely guve a much better interview the next time. In other words, it gives you a practice run for the future, and that has paid off several times.

i can’t tell you how many times i’ve heard about longtime black and white coaches that don’t get a head coaching job because they suck in the interview.

There have been many black head coaches since the Rooney Rule. What we’ve learned is that black coaches suck at the job too. There’s a reason why the same coaches get hired over and over. It’s because most fail, regardless of race. It really is a huge leap of faith to hire any coach who has never done it before.

If you are a GM and you’ve been there a few years with a losing record and you know that this coaching hire will determine if you get fired or not in a year or so, how big of a risk do you take. Do you hire the young assistant who has never done it, or do you look for a recycled guy like John Fox who may not have won it all but he has been successful?

I guarantee if Marvin Lewis left the Bengals, he would have been hired almost immediately by another team.

You are one of the few on this board that actually understands the idea behind the rule. The league has always been an "old boys" club. At the time the rule was put in place, all of the old boys were white. Think of how hard it was for Tony Dungy to become a head coach. The rule put some minority coaches into the mix. If a guy impressed, he might not have gotten that job, but his name was now on the grapevine as a guy with potential. We may have now reached a point where the rule is not needed, but it was certainly needed when it was put in. You might say that a team should be able to hire the best guy, but they weren't always doing that before. Rich Kotite got two jobs, while Tony Dungy couldn't get hired. We may like to poke fun at Marvin Lewis, but I could fill this page with the names of white coaches who have done a way worse job than he has during the time he's been in Cincy. Of course, you have certain people who are convinced that all blacks are stupid, and that the dumbest white guy is smarter than the smartest black guy, and that no black guy should be a head coach, as he can't possibly be smart enough.
By the way, for those who constantly bring this up, Tomlin wasn't even a Rooney Rule interview. The Steelers had already satisfied the rule by interviewing Ron Rivera ( a good coach who has done well with his opportunity by the way).

 

[coolshark]

So i take it you are against the concept of expanded preseason rosters. They should just have 53 guys in camp. It's insulting to guys who don't make the final roster.

Did Kurt Warner waste his time when he was behind Favre, Brunell and Ty Detmer in training camp in Green Bay?

Any young coach who turns down an interview is a fool. It gets your name out there and gives them valuable practice at being interviewed. I don't see what is so hard to understand about that,

I understand it completely and understand that you want to be right here but let’s just leave that we do not agree.

 

[Sarge]

It gets your name out there and gives them valuable practice at being interviewed.

Unless of course, the person jacks up the interview. His name will be out there alright.

 

[Hines57]

If you are a GM and you’ve been there a few years with a losing record and you know that this coaching hire will determine if you get fired or not in a year or so, how big of a risk do you take. Do you hire the young assistant who has never done it, or do you look for a recycled guy like John Fox who may not have won it all but he has been successful?

Those young assistants did well for the LA Rams and Buffalo Bills this year. I understand it may be safer to regurgitate the same old coaches but at some point you need fresh new ideas and concepts from the younger generation.