Rooney Rule

[Slash#10]

You are one of the few on this board that actually understands the idea behind the rule. The league has always been an "old boys" club. At the time the rule was put in place, all of the old boys were white. Think of how hard it was for Tony Dungy to become a head coach. The rule put some minority coaches into the mix. If a guy impressed, he might not have gotten that job, but his name was now on the grapevine as a guy with potential. We may have now reached a point where the rule is not needed, but it was certainly needed when it was put in. You might say that a team should be able to hire the best guy, but they weren't always doing that before. Rich Kotite got two jobs, while Tony Dungy couldn't get hired. We may like to poke fun at Marvin Lewis, but I could fill this page with the names of white coaches who have done a way worse job than he has during the time he's been in Cincy. Of course, you have certain people who are convinced that all blacks are stupid, and that the dumbest white guy is smarter than the smartest black guy, and that no black guy should be a head coach, as he can't possibly be smart enough.
By the way, for those who constantly bring this up, Tomlin wasn't even a Rooney Rule interview. The Steelers had already satisfied the rule by interviewing Ron Rivera ( a good coach who has done well with his opportunity by the way).

Great recall about the Steelers interviewing Ron R. before Tomlin!

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[SteelerInLebanon]

Forcing a Team a team to interview a minority is not affirmative action forcing a team to hire a minority would be. I have no problem with the requirement to interview minorities, it is not hurting anyone and they are not required to change their thought process on who they should hire only expand their horizons on who to look at, Is that a bad thing?

 

[Troglodyte]

The absurd thing about the Rooney rule is it applies to all of 32 jobs. What the hell diference is it going to make in improving the prosperity of minorities? Not exactly what MLK had in mind.

 

[Troglodyte]

I have no problem with the requirement to interview minorities, it is not hurting anyone and they are not required to change their thought process on who they should hire only expand their horizons on who to look at, Is that a bad thing?

Would you appreciate someone wasting your time interviewing you for a job they had no intention of potentially offering you?

 

[Steeler Pride]

Forcing a Team a team to interview a minority is not affirmative action forcing a team to hire a minority would be. I have no problem with the requirement to interview minorities, it is not hurting anyone and they are not required to change their thought process on who they should hire only expand their horizons on who to look at, Is that a bad thing?

As a business owner, lets say I wanted to fire one of my architects because I want to hire a guy that I just found out his old company went out of business and we had worked together in the past. Why should I as a business owner have to waste my time (which is money to me), money for potential airfare, hotel, rental car...etc to bring someone in to interview knowing full well who I am going to hire. Just to say I interviewed someone as a minority? It is really no different than trying to get tax credit or government projects as the owner of a non WBE/MBE firm. I cannot qualify to provide architectural services because there are now mandates via a point system that you must be a WBE or MBE firm in order to get the project. How about simply allowing any business to bid on and receive any project based on qualification and skill set and ignore race, religion, sexual orientation...etc. if it is illegal for me to discriminate in hiring based on those qualities, why is it permitted to discriminate against non minority groups.

 

[stillwright]

As a business owner, lets say I wanted to fire one of my architects because I want to hire a guy that I just found out his old company went out of business and we had worked together in the past. Why should I as a business owner have to waste my time (which is money to me), money for potential airfare, hotel, rental car...etc to bring someone in to interview knowing full well who I am going to hire. Just to say I interviewed someone as a minority? It is really no different than trying to get tax credit or government projects as the owner of a non WBE/MBE firm. I cannot qualify to provide architectural services because there are now mandates via a point system that you must be a WBE or MBE firm in order to get the project. How about simply allowing any business to bid on and receive any project based on qualification and skill set and ignore race, religion, sexual orientation...etc. if it is illegal for me to discriminate in hiring based on those qualities, why is it permitted to discriminate against non minority groups.

You shouldn't have to but in the case of the NFL owner they themselves voted for this rule. So they have to...because they voted for the rule. Very simple concept that it seems many on this site alone can not grasp.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Would you appreciate someone wasting your time interviewing you for a job they had no intention of potentially offering you?

If I thought I had no chance at it I would feel no obligation to go on the interview. No is making these people be interviewed they have free choice in the matter. I am not a proponent of affirmative action but I see no harm in this specific rule in this specific circumstance regardless whether I feel it is needed or not. I am not applying this broadly only specific to this particular case. I see no harm in this rule absurd or not.


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[SteelerInLebanon]

As a business owner, lets say I wanted to fire one of my architects because I want to hire a guy that I just found out his old company went out of business and we had worked together in the past. Why should I as a business owner have to waste my time (which is money to me), money for potential airfare, hotel, rental car...etc to bring someone in to interview knowing full well who I am going to hire. Just to say I interviewed someone as a minority? It is really no different than trying to get tax credit or government projects as the owner of a non WBE/MBE firm. I cannot qualify to provide architectural services because there are now mandates via a point system that you must be a WBE or MBE firm in order to get the project. How about simply allowing any business to bid on and receive any project based on qualification and skill set and ignore race, religion, sexual orientation...etc. if it is illegal for me to discriminate in hiring based on those qualities, why is it permitted to discriminate against non minority groups.

My response was solely limited to the NFL not a broad application of the rule.


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[FordFairLane]

You are one of the few on this board that actually understands the idea behind the rule. The league has always been an "old boys" club. At the time the rule was put in place, all of the old boys were white. Think of how hard it was for Tony Dungy to become a head coach. The rule put some minority coaches into the mix. If a guy impressed, he might not have gotten that job, but his name was now on the grapevine as a guy with potential. We may have now reached a point where the rule is not needed, but it was certainly needed when it was put in. You might say that a team should be able to hire the best guy, but they weren't always doing that before. Rich Kotite got two jobs, while Tony Dungy couldn't get hired. We may like to poke fun at Marvin Lewis, but I could fill this page with the names of white coaches who have done a way worse job than he has during the time he's been in Cincy. Of course, you have certain people who are convinced that all blacks are stupid, and that the dumbest white guy is smarter than the smartest black guy, and that no black guy should be a head coach, as he can't possibly be smart enough.
By the way, for those who constantly bring this up, Tomlin wasn't even a Rooney Rule interview. The Steelers had already satisfied the rule by interviewing Ron Rivera ( a good coach who has done well with his opportunity by the way).

Never was needed. I’ve never had an ounce of respect for Tomlin and the rest of the affirmative action black head coaches. I did however respect Tony Dungy, Ray Rhodes, Dennis Green, Herm Edwards, Art Shell, and Fritz Pollard.


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[mightyguru]

Never was needed. I’ve never had an ounce of respect for Tomlin and the rest of the affirmative action black head coaches. I did however respect Tony Dungy, Ray Rhodes, Dennis Green, Herm Edwards, Art Shell, and Fritz Pollard.


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As stated above (and beyond) Ron Rivera (a Latino minority) was the Rooney Rule interview before Tomlin. Tomlin just kicked the **** outta everybody.

 

[Stryker]

The absurd thing about the Rooney rule is it applies to all of 32 jobs. What the hell diference is it going to make in improving the prosperity of minorities? Not exactly what MLK had in mind.

It's exactly what MLK had in mind. It's called equality.

 

[Steeler Pride]

It's exactly what MLK had in mind. It's called equality.

How is it equality if you force someone to do it? I would say equality is looking past race, sex, religion...etc and hiring the best candidate for the position.

 

[VaSteelerFan]

The point is to get more coaches names out there. Also, whenever you get interviewed, you gain experience for your next interview. So, people look at a situation like the Raiders and cry about how it’s going against the Rooney Rule because a minority has no shot and the interview will be a sham. That’s not true.

If the point was simply to get more coaches names out there, then the rule would simply require interviewing someone without NFL head coaching experience regardless of race. This is all about affirmative action.

 

[Spike]

If the Raiders already had a predetermined choice of who they want to be their head coach, then the Rooney rule is out the window imo.

But if the Raiders had several candidates in mind and were going to select a coach by the interview process then yes, the Rooney rule should apply.

Simple as that.

Even simpler, just say you interviewed your own in-house black guy, then Hire Gruden



NFL says Raiders have fulfilled Rooney Rule

"...... the Oakland #Raiders satisfied the Rooney Rule by interviewing two minority candidates for the team's head coaching vacancy:

https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/949088256729128960


According to SiriusXM's Adam Caplan, one of the Raiders' interviews was apparently in-house TEs coach Bobby Johnson.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9270/jon-gruden

 

[FordFairLane]

As stated above (and beyond) Ron Rivera (a Latino minority) was the Rooney Rule interview before Tomlin. Tomlin just kicked the **** outta everybody.

Tomlin was handed the job because the color of his skin. He’s a mediocre coach at best and has been riding the coattails of Roethlisberger. See the problem with the Rooney rule and affirmative action is it gives zero validity to the hiring of a minority. It literally has the opposite affect. Tomlin has zero respect from me. Now if the Rooney rule didn’t exist and the Steelers hired Tomlin I would have gave him a chance.


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[FordFairLane]

It's exactly what MLK had in mind. It's called equality.

lol you can’t be serious. Black people don’t want equality they want special treatment. They want to be able to rob a convenience store without fear of consequences. They want to not have to keep their GPA as high as the white or Asian kids but leap frog them for mandatory quotas and get into Ivy League schools. They want to get preferential treatment when it comes to applying for jobs they aren’t as qualified for as their white counterparts. They want the god damn Rooney rule.

If you really wanted to get rid of racism you’d actually want an even playing field so when a black person got into Harvard, or became a ceo, or head coach or not burn down a city because a thug was killed by an honest police officer.

But you don’t, you want special treatment. So take you blm, obama, affirmative action, and Rooney rule and shove them up your ***.


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[Steelerforever1965]

Tomlin was handed the job because the color of his skin. He’s a mediocre coach at best and has been riding the coattails of Roethlisberger. See the problem with the Rooney rule and affirmative action is it gives zero validity to the hiring of a minority. It literally has the opposite affect. Tomlin has zero respect from me. Now if the Rooney rule didn’t exist and the Steelers hired Tomlin I would have gave him a chance.


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Why would anyone care if you respect Tomlin or not? It's only obvious that you are completely irrational and probably a Pats fan.

 

[milkman dan]

lol you can’t be serious. Black people don’t want equality they want special treatment. They want to be able to rob a convenience store without fear of consequences. They want to not have to keep their GPA as high as the white or Asian kids but leap frog them for mandatory quotas and get into Ivy League schools. They want to get preferential treatment when it comes to applying for jobs they aren’t as qualified for as their white counterparts. They want the god damn Rooney rule.

If you really wanted to get rid of racism you’d actually want an even playing field so when a black person got into Harvard, or became a ceo, or head coach or not burn down a city because a thug was killed by an honest police officer.

But you don’t, you want special treatment. So take you blm, obama, affirmative action, and Rooney rule and shove them up your ***.


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I think in order to eliminate racism you should start by shutting the **** up.

 

[Steelerforever1965]

lol you can’t be serious. Black people don’t want equality they want special treatment. They want to be able to rob a convenience store without fear of consequences. They want to not have to keep their GPA as high as the white or Asian kids but leap frog them for mandatory quotas and get into Ivy League schools. They want to get preferential treatment when it comes to applying for jobs they aren’t as qualified for as their white counterparts. They want the god damn Rooney rule.

If you really wanted to get rid of racism you’d actually want an even playing field so when a black person got into Harvard, or became a ceo, or head coach or not burn down a city because a thug was killed by an honest police officer.

But you don’t, you want special treatment. So take you blm, obama, affirmative action, and Rooney rule and shove them up your ***.


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Lol! It's so great when people like you post these type of comments, embarrassing and exposing yourself as the complete backwoods hillbilly racist Neanderthal fool that you are is kinda cool keep posting.

 

[thesteelcity]

wow, that's a broad brush you paint there with.

 

[thesteelcity]

Tomlin was handed the job because the color of his skin. He’s a mediocre coach at best and has been riding the coattails of Roethlisberger. See the problem with the Rooney rule and affirmative action is it gives zero validity to the hiring of a minority. It literally has the opposite affect. Tomlin has zero respect from me. Now if the Rooney rule didn’t exist and the Steelers hired Tomlin I would have gave him a chance.


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Where is Whiz and Grimm today? Not head coaches, that's for sure. They are coordinators. Rivera had a good season in CAR, but his overall record doesn't compare to HCMT. You may not like Tomlin, but it is turning out he was the best candidate at the time, Rooney Rule or not.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Yep and im a duntz for saying some people don't have good intentions when they call him Coach Cool Shades

 

[CharlesDavenport]

It's exactly what MLK had in mind. It's called equality.

King would have completely supported affirmative action type legislation. The idea that he would not is a fairy tale. Here are some quotes from MLK book, A Testament of Hope -

"Whenever this issue of compensatory or preferential treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree, but he should ask for nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic. For it is obvious that if a man enters the starting line of a race three hundred years after another man, the first would have to perform some incredible feat in order to catch up."

"A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for the Negro."

 

[Spike]

It's all over but the Browns fans crying (oh yeah, they really thought they had a shot to get Gruden)



Raiders to name Gruden HC on Tuesday

Beat writer Steve Corkran reports the Raiders will introduce Jon Gruden as head coach on Tuesday.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9270/jon-gruden

 

[Elfiero]

Nope, just an interesting article that in essence is shaming the Raiders for not interviewing a minority candidate before essentially hiring Gruden. Again, if a team decides they are replacing one coach with another and already know who they want to hire, why should any team be mandated to interview anybody.

It's because there is systemic racism and there are sometimes individual bias/racist ideas that cloud a person's perspective. It's what for decades caused black QB's to be ignored as possible starters because they "just aren't smart enough." So if you just speak to someone, that might void your preconceived ideas about them and influence you as a GM, to influence the organization( where the systemic racism would reside), to give that person the job. Based on their individual qualities of course> see Mike Tomlin.

Interviewing them even though you already had your hire decided still helps the minority candidate by building his "word of mouth resume" if you will among GM's and teams, dependent on if the guy is sharp of course.

I know it's hard to comprehend these things from your privileged perspective, but if you try you can.

I also know to some people like you these things don't exist, but subjectivity and dominant culture perspective have nothing to do with reality in these scenarios.