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Rooney talks about D Coordinator and his play calling?

I get that DC is a well paying job and a stepping stone for most in the league to get an opportunity as a Head Coach someday if proving oneself successful.

Pittsburgh Steeler DC comes with special requirements

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HEAD COACH and Micro Manager Extraordinaire and things of that nature

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DC must be very flexible ....... able to take direction .....able to bend over .......... dance for me ***** positive attitude ....job comes with a few strings attached....obviously
 
If the Steelers wanted to recapture past glorys of defense and sack the **** of qbs like burrow, interview Sean Desai! But Tomlin just wants to play control freak where he controls everything. there will be no change believe me get ready for lots more losing getting way worse before it gets better… are we better now than we were 5 years ago? art2 is all passive aggressive meddling around much more than people think, pretending, all the while, he dosent… this mess is as much his fault as Tomlins Rooney2 puts up with tomlin because tomlin puts up with him… perfect marriage!!!
 
The Deuce's words equivocate just like Tomlin's do. The standard is the standard.
 
Surprised the minority owners don't revolt. They see the stands not filled the lower TV ratings and the getting blown out whenever we face a real QB. They will eventually overthrow the Rooney's as they own the majority of the stock.
 
About time ownership steps in when they see clearly NT had to much control, could be why we saw some of his guys and not scheme fits play so much like Mondeax over Buggs, Buggs as a rookie showed he can stuff the run and has a massive frame to play the 1T and had he played next to cam or spelled him I think games like Det Minney could of been W's. Once Adams was groomed in they should have tried easing Davis in as ids a pure NG 6"3 320 thick lower frame, they basically gave the kid no chance and rather played a 43 under backup 275 DL inside when he should have been at most a 10-15 rep rotating end.
With all the cap room and Tyson coming back and maybe Tuitt retiring they need 2-3 DL to effectively run a multiple front 4-3 and 3-4 as well and should be quality vets 1 for sure NG like Hankins and 2 versatile De/DT like NG Shelton DE Thomas DEAl- quaddin Muhammad 3t Hurst all low profile guys with a lot to prove and unlikely will be targeted by contenders who will be looking at guys like Richardson Campbell.
We can easily run both the 3-4 and 4-3 just need a few bodies and if you extend shobert by a year you can easily run a 4-3 where your 3 LB are ROLB Watt MLB Schobert LOLB Bush and you have Johnson who brings a hard-hitting style and should push Spilliane who plays the run well but if you have in at MLB in the nickel or dime he cant cover for ****, all you have to do is get any TE to run a shallow cross over and over vs him.
 
Confluence said:
The Deuce's words equivocate just like Tomlin's do. The standard is the standard.
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I dont know, the way he phrased this was calculated and the Rooney's almost never air out matters like this to the press. The fact that he did leaves me to believe that MT was told to knock it off. I've speculated that MT had his hands in the offense as well, if so, perhaps Canada will be allowed to run his offense and call the plays he wants to call. We shall see.
 
The problem with the Steelers and how they played defense this year was the "next man up" mentality. They play the same style regardless of the personnel on the field. When you have a backup defensive line playing you can't be as aggressive and need to play fundamental football. The article citing Rooney's quote is correct when they stated the Steelers won't get a top DC unless they can call the plays.
 
Badcat said:
I dont know, the way he phrased this was calculated and the Rooney's almost never air out matters like this to the press. The fact that he did leaves me to believe that MT was told to knock it off. I've speculated that MT had his hands in the offense as well, if so, perhaps Canada will be allowed to run his offense and call the plays he wants to call. We shall see.
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I think having a OL that can block will have more to do with Canada being able to or not to run his offense.
 
JP1977 said:
Surprised the minority owners don't revolt. They see the stands not filled the lower TV ratings and the getting blown out whenever we face a real QB. They will eventually overthrow the Rooney's as they own the majority of the stock.
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Lol…..as has been said many, many, times minority owners have zero (none, zip, nada) influence on football operations. There is no voting, consensus board or anything. The various minority owners only receive the perks of “being a part owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers” and receiving dividend checks off the profits, which has continued to increase every year. Minority owners can voice their opinion to Art2 (Like Stallworth or Thomas Tull) but that’s all it is voicing their opinion. Those who don’t like the set up can leave, as did Haslam, and Tepper, who both wanted some control of team operations.
 
Well the true answer will be who they go after as coaches in key positions. Bring Canada back does not sit well with trying to do better at coaching
 
There's another way to interpret what Rooney said.

"Mike inserts himself where he needs to..." This could be an unveiled attack on Butler. Essentially saying Butler was so bad that Tomlin had to take over play-calling. Of course one wonders then, why Butler was kept on until he chose to leave the team...

By suggesting things may change with a new defensive coordinator, Rooney might be saying "If we get a guy that doesn't suck, Mike won't have to do all the playcalling." I am concerned that Rooney has enough of a history gently cupping Mike Tomlin's *** cheeks that this may be more the truth than not.

Remember when the Steelers had absolutely DOMINANT DCs. Capers, Lebeau? I posted a week or so ago the MASSIVE difference in defensive ratings averages from when Mike took over from Lebeau to before. It is fair to say Dick Lebeau may have been the most consistent and dominating defensive coordinator ever to hold down the job anywhere in the league.

You'd be hard pressed to find anybody who did as well, as long as Lebeau. And Mike just sidelined him so he could start ******* up the defense.

He HAS had a few decent years. But Mikes best years of defensive rankings are literally "meh" years for Lebeau.
 
I didn't see anything in what Rooney said. It seems nothing is going to change with any new DC. He definitely didn't give any kind of directive. Hopefully, he did behind closed doors.
 
Butler already said Tomlin was involved and calling defensive plays even when Coach LeBeau was DC. Cowher was all over the defense during his time, even when he had Coach LeBeau was DC. Cowher had Capers, Lewis, LeBeau all at the table brainstorming in defensive philosophy when he started as HC.

If you think HC don’t involve themselves with their specialty you are kidding yourselves. Parcells, Walsh, BA, Andy Reid, Gibbs, etc….never involved themselves….c’mon guys.
 
Ike Kelly said:
Butler already said Tomlin was involved and calling defensive plays even when Coach LeBeau was DC. Cowher was all over the defense during his time, even when he had Coach LeBeau was DC. Cowher had Capers, Lewis, LeBeau all at the table brainstorming in defensive philosophy when he started as HC.

If you think HC don’t involve themselves with their specialty you are kidding yourselves. Parcells, Walsh, BA, Andy Reid, Gibbs, etc….never involved themselves….c’mon guys.
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So you are suggesting that Tomlin's specialty with D or in the secondary should cause positive influence like those guys?
Don't we have the exact opposite results?
 
Paul G said:
I get that DC is a well paying job and a stepping stone for most in the league to get an opportunity as a Head Coach someday if proving oneself successful.

Pittsburgh Steeler DC comes with special requirements

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HEAD COACH and Micro Manager Extraordinaire and things of that nature

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DC must be very flexible ....... able to take direction .....able to bend over .......... dance for me ***** positive attitude ....job comes with a few strings attached....obviously
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You forgot must be able to recover quickly from being thrown under the bus.
 
Confluence said:
So you are suggesting that Tomlin's specialty with D or in the secondary should cause positive influence like those guys?
Don't we have the exact opposite results?
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Both the defense and offense have been the tip of the spear in regards to their position in the league. When we had the Killer Bs the offense was explosive, the defense was solid if not regularly in the top half. They’ve lead the league in sacks numerous times, most recently the last two in a row.

There has always been an ebb/flow factor as to both sides hitting strides at the same time. It happens, but it’s rare. Lord knows it always happened with Cowher, who delegated the offense to the OC, but it was HIS philosophy that was used. Run the ball, QB manage the game and play good defense. Most of the time it got us to the playoffs, and twice to the SB. Chin defensive philosophy never changed as a HC and he only had 4 DCs. Capers, LeBeau (twice), Lewis and Haslet). Prior to Ben he changed his offensive philosophy once 2002 & 2003, but had only a couple decent OC. Gailey and Malarkey over beauties like Sherman and Gilbride. Pure Cowher selections FYI. Obviously getting Ben in 2004, changed the Tommy-gun offense back to Bettis as feature back and the rest is history with Whiz and BA.

Tomlin has done the same except have as many DC. LeBeau was kept because there wasn't a change needed, the defense was still in their prime. Why would you change something that worked? Other than this year, Tomlin’s defense has been in the upper 1/3 of the league (just like Cowher). This year, they lost two DL starters and killed the primary defensive philosophy used, stop the run. Offensively, there were changes after Ben‘s schoolyard play success and BA had a part in that, but Mr. Rooney gave an edict to keep Ben upright and change the offense to extend his playing career. Thus Haley was hired and was primarily successful.

The franchise has been pretty stable in wins/loss %, SB appearances/championships. Defense and offense (with Ben) has been the driving factor with success. The defense has remained the same in effectiveness except in two areas. Pass defense and physicality. Of which both areas has changed drastically since Cowher was involved.
 
The Steelers hired Todd Haley on February 8, 2012, so I wonder if they'll announce the new DC sometime next week.
 
Ike Kelly said:
Lol…..as has been said many, many, times minority owners have zero (none, zip, nada) influence on football operations. There is no voting, consensus board or anything. The various minority owners only receive the perks of “being a part owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers” and receiving dividend checks off the profits, which has continued to increase every year. Minority owners can voice their opinion to Art2 (Like Stallworth or Thomas Tull) but that’s all it is voicing their opinion. Those who don’t like the set up can leave, as did Haslam, and Tepper, who both wanted some control of team operations.
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Not true. They can vote out Rooney as team president and install their own. As long as the gravy boat is flowing Rooney is safe. But losing and fan erosion will ultimately sink even a Rooney.
 
JP1977 said:
Not true. They can vote out Rooney as team president and install their own. As long as the gravy boat is flowing Rooney is safe. But losing and fan erosion will ultimately sink even a Rooney.
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This isn’t a publicly traded company. It’s a private ownership, through individuals, trusts or entities. The NFL isn’t a publicly traded company either. You can’t vote out the majority shareholder of a team. Rooney and the Rooney family (includes the McGliney’s) are the majority shareholders by a significant amount. Investment is made by shareholders (via everything clubs make money off of, including sponsorships through the League). So John Stallworth, for example who I believe has a 2-3% stake in ownership, receives his 2-3% share of the profits made by the franchise. Everyone talks about losing, loss of fans, etc. Fact is the NFL is the most popular sport in North America by a large margin. It’s very popular in Europe (GER) and the UK as well. While the Commish has a ton of issues, he has done one thing well, make money fir the owners. Then again, pretty much anyone could do that part of the job.
 
Ike Kelly said:
This isn’t a publicly traded company. It’s a private ownership, through individuals, trusts or entities. The NFL isn’t a publicly traded company either. You can’t vote out the majority shareholder of a team. Rooney and the Rooney family (includes the McGliney’s) are the majority shareholders by a significant amount. Investment is made by shareholders (via everything clubs make money off of, including sponsorships through the League). So John Stallworth, for example who I believe has a 2-3% stake in ownership, receives his 2-3% share of the profits made by the franchise. Everyone talks about losing, loss of fans, etc. Fact is the NFL is the most popular sport in North America by a large margin. It’s very popular in Europe (GER) and the UK as well. While the Commish has a ton of issues, he has done one thing well, make money fir the owners. Then again, pretty much anyone could do that part of the job.
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That’s all it is. Money. Entertainment
 
Djfan said:
That's why my love for it, and attention to it, has dropped a lot. I figured this out.
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I love money though. I was telling Steeler4evr through text today. I’ve been studying a bunch of businesses, owners, founders, ceo’s. More so I just want to get an idea how these people’s minds operate. I’d like to run my own business someday, and seeing the general concepts. There’s a reason why I’ve been more active in these threads. I’m viewing you guys as demographic examples lol
 
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