So plan B. Of the humiliating defeat that was today is to lay it at the feet of Democrats defending the legislation that has math on their side and propping up the Republicans who actually defeated the bill. Then to let the weight of Obama care force it to implode and plunge healthcare into a death spiral at which time President McMahon will save the country. Problem with that is for it to occur he will have to defund certain portions of it. And instead of him being Machivellian about it, ******** announces it. So when Jenny the coal miners 12 year old daughter from West Virginia dies because they have no proper health care, how will that play out.
Scorched Earth Health Care
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Trump played it perfectly. Let Paul Ryan's Obamacare fail on its own, then turn it completely over to the private sector
Repeal it all!
Rand Paul Comments on the U.S. House Rejecting ‘Obamacare Lite’
WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, U.S. Senator and physician Rand Paul released the following statement after U.S. House Speaker Paul Ryan pulled the American Health Care Act from a floor vote for the second day in a row:
“I applaud House conservatives for keeping their word to the American people and standing up against Obamacare Lite,” said Dr. Paul. “I look forward to passing full repeal of Obamacare in the very near future.”
https://www.paul.senate.gov/news/pr...ents-on-the-us-house-rejecting-obamacare-lite
Repeal it all!
Rand Paul Comments on the U.S. House Rejecting ‘Obamacare Lite’
WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, U.S. Senator and physician Rand Paul released the following statement after U.S. House Speaker Paul Ryan pulled the American Health Care Act from a floor vote for the second day in a row:
“I applaud House conservatives for keeping their word to the American people and standing up against Obamacare Lite,” said Dr. Paul. “I look forward to passing full repeal of Obamacare in the very near future.”
https://www.paul.senate.gov/news/pr...ents-on-the-us-house-rejecting-obamacare-lite
If the healthcare industry and the government and the insurance companies can't get together and figure out some way to get a handle on this thing so that the average person can go to the hospital and not have it ruin them financially, I say **** em all. If you get sick, go to the hospital. If you have insurance.... if you don't have insurance.... just go. Either way your still probably going to end up owing thousands and thousands of dollars. Send them $50 or $100 or whatever you can afford per month. That's all you can do. The fact is that people get sick whether they can afford to or not. There is no way the average citizen making $45k or whatever the average annual salary is can afford $700-$1000 a month for ****** coverage no more than they can afford 2 or 3 weeks in the hospital and leave with what basically amounts to a second mortgage. If they can't get together and figure out a way to make healthcare more affordable than let them deal with the consequences.
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It's called a major medical plan with a $5000 deductible. A couple hundred a month for coverage, then put 100-200 in a HSA to save up for a time you may need to pay the deductible. If you want to buy a policy that covers you every time you get the sniffles fell free to go get one on the open market.
Obamacare is nothing more than a wealth redistribution entitlement plan that unfairly burdens the working middle class. It also burdens small businesses. We should go back to a cash based catastrophic health plan, and take the government out of the equation totally, except for Medicare.
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Obamacrap is just rape of the middle class. Absolutely positively theft. Ridiculous monthly costs and you have to have a massive out of pocket deductible. I'll save my money until this horseshit falls. A big fat **** you to the ******* demoncrats who rammed this **** through the cover of night. Eat a bag of dicks.
Once more, the first step towards actual heath care for this country is reiging in the pharmaceutical industry. Im sick of the bs about them needing to recoup costs when they overinflate prices as badly as they do. They make up ailments to fit their products and then produce meds to fix tge issues their meds for the fake problem actually causes. They are one of the areas that ought to be regulated.
The second area that needs to be obliterated is the actual insurance system... cut out the middle man altogether... have a reasonable deductable system for the public... reimburse medical facilities for legitimate medical equipment purchases and standardize costs so that the actual doctors and nurses are still well compensated for their tim...
Trim the fat off healthcare and socialized coverage is feasible... but that means undercutting a lot if big donars for both parties
The second area that needs to be obliterated is the actual insurance system... cut out the middle man altogether... have a reasonable deductable system for the public... reimburse medical facilities for legitimate medical equipment purchases and standardize costs so that the actual doctors and nurses are still well compensated for their tim...
Trim the fat off healthcare and socialized coverage is feasible... but that means undercutting a lot if big donars for both parties
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You want to make the US government the insurance company?
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The government ***** up anything it has it's hands deeply into.Just ask any military veteran dealing with the VA.It is NEVER more affordable either.
I don't know about that.... I doubt you will find too many people over the age of 65 saying that they wished they didn't have Medicare. That it would be better if all of those thousands and thousands of dollars they've racked up in medical bills WASN'T covered by the government and that life would be so much better if they had to pay all of that money out of their social security check.
Yeah but his original point is valid. What can you point to that the US Government has attempted to control that private industry couldn't do better?
Public transportation? See Amtrak. Disaster.
Parcel and message delivery? See the USPS and compare it to FedEx and UPS.
Healthcare? Look at the VA. Period. Just look at the VA. Government has no business managing healthcare.
Schooling? Really, one only need compare publicly run schools vs. private schools. No comparison.
These are just the some of the biggest examples. I want private enterprise and the forces of capitalism involved as much as it possibly can be in these facets of my life. Not the Government. They are guaranteed to ruin it. It's been proven throughout history.
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Medicare is a fraud machine, and suffers from all the other symptoms government programs suffer from.
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Governments in most industrialized countries handle health care distribution, or let public utility style companies do it. You get water, gas, electric, etc. It ain't rocket science.
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Look at the utility service companies that most citizens use. Compare that with healthcare offerings in other countries. Pick the best model and go.
****, no one would have electricity, gas or water if the all the arguments about government involvement had been around 100 years ago.
The Burgundy Plan:
Everybody from the President to Congress to government employees to unions on down gets the same health plan.
Everybody pays $100 a month per person. Bill Gates pays $100 a month, welfare mom with six kids pays $100 a month each for everybody.
Everybody can go to any doctor or hospital any time they want for anything they want.
Everybody gets whatever quality of healthcare that $100 x U.S. population x 12 will buy in a year. Now if that means a lot of people die before they can get their appendix removed or you only get the sheets changed on your hospital bed once a week even though you've pissed a **** all over yourself, or you get sutured with used dental floss, well that's too ******* bad.
Nah, the Democrats would never go for it.
1. High quality.
2. Easy access.
3. Low cost.
Pick any two.
Everybody from the President to Congress to government employees to unions on down gets the same health plan.
Everybody pays $100 a month per person. Bill Gates pays $100 a month, welfare mom with six kids pays $100 a month each for everybody.
Everybody can go to any doctor or hospital any time they want for anything they want.
Everybody gets whatever quality of healthcare that $100 x U.S. population x 12 will buy in a year. Now if that means a lot of people die before they can get their appendix removed or you only get the sheets changed on your hospital bed once a week even though you've pissed a **** all over yourself, or you get sutured with used dental floss, well that's too ******* bad.
Nah, the Democrats would never go for it.
1. High quality.
2. Easy access.
3. Low cost.
Pick any two.
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Not going to argue the healthcare as a utility thing again. I will off that compared to distributing water and electricity, "distributing" healthcare is rocket science.
I'm not saying the government shouldn't have involvement. There are areas where it makes sense. Roads, for instance. Or air travel. Where standards and uniformity matter as you cross one state line to another.
Utilities are by and large locally government run. I'm fine with that too. Federally run electrical service? Hell no and no way. And even with locally government-run electrical services, I still have choices that are dictated by capitalist principals.
Healthcare doesn't fit the model, IMHO. Privatized healthcare has always provided superior care and results to government-run healthcare around the globe. When was the last time an American crossed the border into Canada or flew to England for critical medical care? Exactly. Well, before ObamaCare that is.
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and yet every other industrialized nation has some form of healthcare for all of its citizens. Maybe Amazon could help with fulfillment.
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I don't find that to be a compelling argument at all. The US will struggle through and find something that isn't socialized medicine. I don't care how happy a socialist says they are with their system.
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Americans can't come north to Canada as Canadian doctors have no way to bill them.....
Privatised healthcare is superior....for those that can afford it.
Simply establish a base line healthcare system for all, and allow for those willing and able to buy better access. Two-tiered, everybody benefits. Yes the wealthy get better healthcare, but they are always going to regardless of system.
This two-tiered system won't be perfect, because none is. People are going to get sick/old and die, and some will blame the care. Oh well. Everybody gets a Chevy, those who want a Mercedes/Roll Royce can simply pay for it.
When did you last visit us here in America Flu?
Have you met our Liberals? I'm not attacking you personally when I say this, but that idea is a pipe dream man. There is no way in HELL Liberals would allow the rich to get better healthcare because they can afford it while leaving the poor with a lower standard in a two-tiered system. It's not in the least a plausible suggestion.Looks nice on paper though.
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When did you last visit us here in America Flu?
Looks nice on paper though.
the very worst of your libtards fled north in the 70s as draft dodgers. They have infected our politics and educational systems since. Canada has a Liberal government. My home province has a Liberal government, headed by a lesbian. So, yeah, I know what you mean. America doesn't have more liberals, but you do feel it more because the backsliding sensation is newer. We even have liberals in rural areas and small towns. Any moment, SteelerSask will be along to prove my point.....whoops, he already did.
When did you last visit us here in America Flu?
Looks nice on paper though.
Libs are okay with a two-tiered system as long as the upper tier is all of the government employees, i.e. Libs.
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Considering the amounts of debt our country has right now I'd say without any doubt whatsoever they do a ****** job of managing money. Making healthcare more affordable for everyone will never happen with them.
A good start would be to take steps to reduce the insane malpractice premiums that doctors and hospitals have to pay but since the lawyers groups own the Dems I don't think that will happen.
