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So, if the President signs this spending bill

IS this bill a win for the President?


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Looks like he'll do both. Take their money and eat their lunch too.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconnell-says-trump-prepared-to-sign-border-security-bill-and-will-declare-national-emergency

Trump will sign border security bill, declare national emergency, White House says
Alex Pappas


President Trump will sign the border security compromise package on Capitol Hill to avert another government shutdown and will take the extraordinary step of declaring a national emergency to obtain funding for the border wall, the White House announced Thursday.

“President Trump will sign the government funding bill, and as he has stated before, he will also take other executive action -- including a national emergency -- to ensure we stop the national security and humanitarian crisis at the border," White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said in a statement. "The president is once again delivering on his promise to build the wall, protect the border, and secure our great country.....

Looks like the The Caveman just clubbed Nancy and Chuck on their empty heads.
 
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Why is any of this have to be a win? How bout we compromised for the American people. Dems lost because they said no money for wall, trump lost because he didn’t get the amount he wanted. How bout each side out their **** aside and met somewhere in the middle. Nice. More on from winning.

Now, trump use those executive powers and build a bigger wall. :-)
 
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I'm thinkin' he will sign this loser and look bad when the details come out. They threw him a mini dog bone when all he asked for was a Big Mac. He really needs an all you can eat buffet to seal that border and the reason for denying him the money is stupid silly.
 
I think its pretty much a wash right now. My concern would be the DACA stuff and what all is covered there. If dreamers want to be citizens then whatever. I think it is unrealistic if not impossible to deport everyone here. I would make several requirements before they could get citizenship. First I would have some sort of temporary card that states that the person is allowed to work for a certain time period. Second they would have to hold a job for a set time period (I am thinking 1 yr). They would have to pay taxes and what not like citizen. Also they would have to stay clean from the law. Any drug / drinking offenses (including DUI) would be auto disqualifying. Finally they would have to pay a set fee and pass the citizenship test like everyone else who follows the proper channels.
 
There is no majority in Congress anymore. You need 60% of the votes to get anything done so there is NEVER a majority. I wish it wasn't like that and filibusters were illegal and let majority control actually get things done but it doesn't work like that.

Trump has NEVER had a majority senate to work with so a compromise is the only option to get things done. I think it's a good first step, but the big issue is how he wields DACA once the Supreme Court gives him the ability to rescind what Obama did. Then he has a huge leverage tool to not only get MORE spending but to possibly revolutionize immigration laws for the next 25 years.
 
Done deal


Mitch McConnell Backs Down to Donald Trump, Agrees to Support National Emergency Declaration

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Republican from Kentucky, said Thursday that President Donald Trump will sign the bipartisan border security spending bill needed to avert a government shutdown but will also declare a national emergency to supplement additional border wall funding.

McConnell said he is prepared to support the emergency declaration, which flies in the face of his supposed private warning to Trump against taking such action, as reported by The Washington Post.

“I indicated to [Trump] I’m going to support the national emergency declaration,” McConnell said. “So, for all of my colleagues, the president will sign the bill.”

https://www.newsweek.com/mitch-mcconnell-donald-trump-national-emergency-1332042
 
Yeah, let's just hope we don't end up with a Dem president any time soon because they will be declaring everything from climate change to gun violence a national emergency.
 
He should have done the end around in the first place. The shutdown was stupid. I really don't care about which party "wins" and I'm tired of hearing about politics in every segment of daily life.
 
Yeah, let's just hope we don't end up with a Dem president any time soon because they will be declaring everything from climate change to gun violence a national emergency.

Do you really think they wouldn't use it anyway? They just didn't think of it first.

They are the party the instituted the 'nuclear option', remember? You really think they're playing fair? Please.
 
Yeah, let's just hope we don't end up with a Dem president any time soon because they will be declaring everything from climate change to gun violence a national emergency.

IMHO we cannot ever have another dim president. That 'emergency' scenario would surely come to pass as so stated by the Moonbat herself today. That would be the end of the Republic.

You'd think at some point people would snap out of it and realize that one team's leader is trying to save the Republic and the other team has been trying to destroy it for nearly 200 years.
 
They are running on their full blown socialist agenda ?

good, get it out there for you Beto lovers



Beto O'Rourke says he 'absolutely' supports destroying existing walls on southern border

Former Texas Democratic Rep. Beto O'Rourke said Thursday that he would "absolutely" support tearing down existing barriers along the southern border with Mexico, in a full-throated embrace of open-borders rhetoric that has left conservatives wondering where other potential 2020 Democratic White House hopefuls stand on the issue.

MSNBC host Chris Hayes posed a version of that question to O'Rourke on-air: "Would you, if you could, would you take the wall down here -- knock it down?"

"Yes, absolutely," answered O'Rourke, who is widely thought to be a potential candidate in 2020 but has not formally announced his intention to run. "I'd take the wall down."

Asked whether El Paso residents would support that move in a referendum, O'Rourke replied, "I do."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/be...-destroying-existing-walls-on-southern-border
 
Jus as I perdicted....he gets peanuts and catch and release is back. Wonder what else is tucked away in this bill that they are hiding ?

The spending package provides the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency with less detention space to house border crossers and illegal aliens, funding about 40,250 beds rather than the 52,000 beds that Trump had requested. This is about the same level of detention space that is currently funded and that which ICE officials have said is not sufficient.

Due to the massive number of illegal aliens in the U.S. — around 12 to 22 million — and roughly 1,300 new border crossers coming to the country every day, ICE officials have had to routinely exceed this 40,250 bed limit.
https://www.realclearinvestigations...only_bias_theory_governing_american_life.html

On another note, one of my pet peeves is being looked at as next to go.

Federal regulators and lobbyists familiar with the change say the White House management and budget office is reviewing a proposed executive order, originally drafted by two conservative Washington think tanks, that would prohibit the use of “the disparate-impact approach in the enforcement or application of any civil-rights law.”

Conservative critics argue liberal politicians and bureaucrats have long misused the theory to find racial bias where it does not exist. They see it as a social-engineering weapon aimed at equalizing outcomes and extending the government’s power over the private sector.

Landlords have also backed off similar background checks – which they've done for decades as standard rental policy, without regard for race – because such inquiries could result in higher refusal rates for black applicants.

“To call this [tenant background check] policy discriminatory, let alone racist, is quite a stretch,” said Clegg, who is actively lobbying the White House to write disparate impact out of federal rules and regulations.

Recent school surveys show violence, including student-on-teacher assaults, exploded after districts adopted the new discipline reforms, including in cities such as New York, Buffalo, Syracuse, Baltimore, Chicago, Oklahoma City, Milwaukee, and Minneapolis. In Parkland, Florida, confessed shooter Nikolas Cruz was able to legally purchase firearms because Broward County arrest-diversion programs designed to close discipline disparities meant that his name never showed up in government data bases despite repeated run-ins with law enforcement.

EEOC’s policy, still supported by the commission’s acting chair, Victoria Lipnic, is a Catch-22 for employers: If they hire criminals, they risk litigation for their work-related misconduct; but if they deny them jobs, they could face a federal lawsuit. This double-bind of liability is especially severe for the banking industry, which has to satisfy regulators working at cross purposes
https://www.realclearinvestigations...only_bias_theory_governing_american_life.html.


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Dontcha know that the libtards heads are asploding over this proposed move.

Democratic Rep. Bobby Scott of Virginia, the new chairman of the House Education Committee, seeks to expand the Title VI statute to include disparate impact and authorize the filing of lawsuits over it. And he has the backing of Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, who recently vowed to “take decisive action” to “keep schools free from discrimination.” By discrimination, she means differences in racial suspension rates under race-neutral disciplinary codes.

House Banking Committee Chairwoman Maxine Waters has said she will bring “dishonest and criminal” banking officials before her panel to grill them about not lending enough money in low-income urban areas. (" isn't this what got the banking industry into a financial mess the last time?")

Democratic Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee of the House Judiciary Committee has said she intends to put disparate impact front and center in the formation of a new panel she’s proposing to help compensate African-Americans for slavery: The Commission to Consider Reparations Proposals for African-Americans.

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They are running on their full blown socialist agenda ?

good, get it out there for you Beto lovers



Beto O'Rourke says he 'absolutely' supports destroying existing walls on southern border

Former Texas Democratic Rep. Beto O'Rourke said Thursday that he would "absolutely" support tearing down existing barriers along the southern border with Mexico, in a full-throated embrace of open-borders rhetoric that has left conservatives wondering where other potential 2020 Democratic White House hopefuls stand on the issue.

MSNBC host Chris Hayes posed a version of that question to O'Rourke on-air: "Would you, if you could, would you take the wall down here -- knock it down?"

"Yes, absolutely," answered O'Rourke, who is widely thought to be a potential candidate in 2020 but has not formally announced his intention to run. "I'd take the wall down."

Asked whether El Paso residents would support that move in a referendum, O'Rourke replied, "I do."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/be...-destroying-existing-walls-on-southern-border

It's like the Republicans drew up their dream playbook of what they want the Dims to do and say, and they're following it to a T. This **** is great. Their platform is:

Socialism
Open borders
No law enforcement
Make cows extinct
No oil & gas
70% tax rate
No airplanes
Let the homeless openly do drugs and **** in our streets
Protect criminal illegal aliens
Ban guns
Screw Americans

Perfect.
 
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It's like the Republicans drew up their dream playbook of what they want the Dims to do and say, and they're following it to a T. This **** is great. Their platform is:

Socialism
Open borders
No law enforcement
Make cows extinct
No oil & gas
70% tax rate
No airplanes
Let the homeless openly do drugs and **** in our streets
Protect criminal illegal aliens
Screw Americans

Perfect.

Once we get past those road blocks, it will be utopia. Don't you understand?
 
They are running on their full blown socialist agenda ?

good, get it out there for you Beto lovers


Beto O'Rourke says he 'absolutely' supports destroying existing walls on southern border

Former Texas Democratic Rep. Beto O'Rourke said Thursday that he would "absolutely" support tearing down existing barriers along the southern border with Mexico, in a full-throated embrace of open-borders rhetoric that has left conservatives wondering where other potential 2020 Democratic White House hopefuls stand on the issue.

MSNBC host Chris Hayes posed a version of that question to O'Rourke on-air: "Would you, if you could, would you take the wall down here -- knock it down?"

"Yes, absolutely," answered O'Rourke, who is widely thought to be a potential candidate in 2020 but has not formally announced his intention to run. "I'd take the wall down."

Asked whether El Paso residents would support that move in a referendum, O'Rourke replied, "I do."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/be...-destroying-existing-walls-on-southern-border

Robert Francis is such a tough guy! It will be fun watching the left try to out left each other. Okay, so he's for destroying USA property and Kamala Devi ( I think her real middle name is Devil ) Harris wants to take away all guns.

We really need old Joe Biden to take them back behind the woodshed! Joe, knock some sense into what's left of your party.
 
They are running on their full blown socialist agenda ?

good, get it out there for you Beto lovers



Beto O'Rourke says he 'absolutely' supports destroying existing walls on southern border

Former Texas Democratic Rep. Beto O'Rourke said Thursday that he would "absolutely" support tearing down existing barriers along the southern border with Mexico, in a full-throated embrace of open-borders rhetoric that has left conservatives wondering where other potential 2020 Democratic White House hopefuls stand on the issue.

MSNBC host Chris Hayes posed a version of that question to O'Rourke on-air: "Would you, if you could, would you take the wall down here -- knock it down?"

"Yes, absolutely," answered O'Rourke, who is widely thought to be a potential candidate in 2020 but has not formally announced his intention to run. "I'd take the wall down."

Asked whether El Paso residents would support that move in a referendum, O'Rourke replied, "I do."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/be...-destroying-existing-walls-on-southern-border


You can't say "They've completely lost their minds" anymore because there's always gonna be something worse and more outrageous.
 
Beto O'Rourke says he 'absolutely' supports destroying existing walls on southern border

Former Texas Democratic Rep. Beto O'Rourke said Thursday that he would "absolutely" support tearing down existing barriers along the southern border with Mexico, in a full-throated embrace of open-borders rhetoric that has left conservatives wondering where other potential 2020 Democratic White House hopefuls stand on the issue.

MSNBC host Chris Hayes posed a version of that question to O'Rourke on-air: "Would you, if you could, would you take the wall down here -- knock it down?"

"Yes, absolutely," answered O'Rourke, who is widely thought to be a potential candidate in 2020 but has not formally announced his intention to run. "I'd take the wall down."

Asked whether El Paso residents would support that move in a referendum, O'Rourke replied, "I do."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/be...-destroying-existing-walls-on-southern-border

The thousands of El Pasoans at Trump's rally on Monday disagree.

Funny, though, this article paints a slightly different picture regarding Beto's once-centrist views and now a sudden race to the far left. He's decided to align himself with radical leftists in his desire to ascend the political ranks.
 
I think its pretty much a wash right now. My concern would be the DACA stuff and what all is covered there. If dreamers want to be citizens then whatever. I think it is unrealistic if not impossible to deport everyone here. I would make several requirements before they could get citizenship. First I would have some sort of temporary card that states that the person is allowed to work for a certain time period. Second they would have to hold a job for a set time period (I am thinking 1 yr). They would have to pay taxes and what not like citizen. Also they would have to stay clean from the law. Any drug / drinking offenses (including DUI) would be auto disqualifying. Finally they would have to pay a set fee and pass the citizenship test like everyone else who follows the proper channels.

All that is unnecessary if DACA recipients are offered a green card, or Legal Permanent Residency. A LPR has just about every right an American citizen has, except the right to vote in federal elections and hold federal jobs. A LPR is issued a SSN, can travel freely, and starts accumulating permanent residence so that after 5 years they can Naturalize to become a U.S. citizen. This "path to citizenship" that's bantered about leaves out this critical fact, that citizenship is not automatic and must be earned and applied for. Of course, Naturalization laws bar any felony convictions, serious/numerous misdemeanor convictions, etc. LPRs are still citizens of their home countries, and as such, can be placed in deportation proceedings if they violate any terms - to include criminal convictions - of their LPR status.

One caveat I'd put in place for a DACA to get LPR would be the removal of one benefit/right that is afforded to all other LPR classifications, and that is this: a DACA LPR cannot petition for family members (aka "chain migration"), especially the parents who brought them here illegally in the first place. Other than that, a DACA kid who's kept his/her nose clean all these years, achieved scholastic success, and has worked hard, I say give them legalization. If in the 80's we gave amnesty to much less-deserving individuals, many of whom went on to commit crimes and end up being deported. I think the Republicans would score much-needed political points with a demographic they desperately need to bring in to the fold in coming years. But the GOP desperately needs "marketing" experts to frame their platform to one that identifies with Latinos. Isn't Fidel Castro and that horrible regime the reason that Florida Cuban-Americans have voted Republican for generations? The GOP needs to make the argument a personal one. If you're fleeing a socialist country with rampant crime, bare store shelves, zero civil rights, and corrupt authorities, and you come to the U.S. only to learn that you may have arrived at a similar socialist society with an over-reaching government with it's paws in all aspects of personal life, you would think twice about who you would (eventually) vote for. Marketing.

It's definitely a card Trump should be holding to play, one that would then require something from the Dems. My opinion is that our immigration system isn't broken. It's being under-funded and un-enforced. Enforce the laws on the books = people start leaving (i.e., "self-deport"). Fund immigration judges, asylum officers, detention bed space = people don't come in the first place. After this, THEN you begin modifying the visa system so that business and industry has its necessary workforce that domestic workers won't fill (that's another argument for another time).
 
Done


President Trump Declares National Emergency To Fund the Wall

"So the order is signed. And I'll sign the final papers as soon as I get into the Oval Office. And we will have a national emergency," Trump said.
After he signs national emergency and executive action paperwork, Trump said, "We will then be sued," rattling off a possible chain of events, which included bad ruling in the 9th Circuit Court, which he has previously lamented.

"We will possibly get another bad ruling, and then we’ll get another bad ruling, and then we’ll end up in the Supreme Court," Trump said, comparing the process to challenges to his administration's travel ban.

"And then, hopefully, we'll get a fair shake."

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-n...ruary-2019/h_5d79d10c37871f1c1a9d1b7992c3c763
 
Now, trump use those executive powers and build a bigger wall.



and we got something to talk about for the rest of the year as the fight for money begins


President Trump declared a national emergency on the southern border Friday, saying he’ll defy Congress to divert about $6.5 billion in unspent federal funds to build more border walls that lawmakers have refused to authorize.

“We’re going to confront the national security crisis at our southern border,” the president said. “We’re talking about an invasion of our country.”
 
and we got something to talk about for the rest of the year as the fight for money begins


President Trump declared a national emergency on the southern border Friday, saying he’ll defy Congress to divert about $6.5 billion in unspent federal funds to build more border walls that lawmakers have refused to authorize.

“We’re going to confront the national security crisis at our southern border,” the president said. “We’re talking about an invasion of our country.”

Trump is holding all the cards at this moment. 52%, great MAGA rally in El Paso, witch hunt OVER, Barr confirmed, dims are nothing more than a flea circus with jew hating muslims, baby killers in black face and robes, green deals, and Pelosi Galore trying to herd cats.

I'm good with the declaration, just not with the actual bill. The turtle is swamp and him saying there's no land mines in the legislation is akin to ocean front property in Arizona. Russia didn't work, can he be trusted to stop impeachment if it comes to that, I don't trust him.
 
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This 1.37 billion is going directly to build 55 miles of wall in the road grande area that needs it badly. Winng!
 
Hold the phone, what else did Dems stuff into this 300 billion dollar bill. DO NOT sign it if its a bad deal, just declare the emergency.
 
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