Somebody has to say it.

[MT~Forged]

The corruption on tribal funding is not dissimilar to the corruption on government spending, creating haves and have-nots at every level.

And many Tribes/First Nations simply do not have the "necessary paperwork" signed 150/200 years ago, furthering un-equal treatment.

Wouldn't it be cool if all "citizens" had the same rights, regardless of who your great grandfather was?

I will agree that the corruption is a big issue, as Tribal leaders do seem to have much more than others, but then again leadership takes initiative, which is greatly lacking.

The rest of your post is such BS, and does nothing but offers excuses for bad choices.

Please tell me ONE “Right“ that these AMERICAN CITIZENS do not have. Do they encounter biases, sure, but they are much better situated to overcome them than most people. They can grow up and get a job on THIS rez and live their whole lives there, and do quite well if they want to. They have a major healthcare center here that CONTINUOUSLY advertises open positions that give PRIORITY to Tribal member, yet must fill them by out of the area people and “traveling providers”.

My Great-grandmother was Native, and I have never been denied ”rights” because of it. I also have a sister-in-law that is a Tribal member, it didn’t prevent her from getting her law degree or prevent her from passing the bar. It also hasn’t prevented my nieces and nephews from attending college and earning good careers. Most of her family are drunks and addicts, and don’t want to associate with their “Apple” family members.

 

[Confluence]

I will agree that the corruption is a big issue, as Tribal leaders do seem to have much more than others, but then again leadership takes initiative, which is greatly lacking.

The rest of your post is such BS, and does nothing but offers excuses for bad choices.

Please tell me ONE “Right“ that these AMERICAN CITIZENS do not have. Do they encounter biases, sure, but they are much better situated to overcome them than most people. They can grow up and get a job on THIS rez and live their whole lives there, and do quite well if they want to. They have a major healthcare center here that CONTINUOUSLY advertises open positions that give PRIORITY to Tribal member, yet must fill them by out of the area people and “traveling providers”.

My Great-grandmother was Native, and I have never been denied ”rights” because of it. I also have a sister-in-law that is a Tribal member, it didn’t prevent her from getting her law degree or prevent her from passing the bar. It also hasn’t prevented my nieces and nephews from attending college and earning good careers. Most of her family are drunks and addicts, and don’t want to associate with their “Apple” family members.

Whoa, triggered dude, slow up a bit.

First Nations/tribal members enjoy extra rights that most citizens do not.

 

[BLITZ]

I don’t need to I currently live on the edge of a Rez. I see first hand their issues, as well as associate with them. For every one that does better themselves, 5 try to also. The biggest problem is that those that try to or do succeed, they are branded Apples by those who are too lazy to. The cultural issues are their biggest problems, and they just want to ***** and moan. Hell, there is a huge Casino complex and golf resort on this Rez, and they can’t even fill the jobs, because no one wants to work. They also have Tribal farms, but not enough workers. They do have plenty of drunks and drug addicts, even though the Tribal jobs for Tribal members start @ $20 an hour. The drop out rate has averaged almost 60% over the last 10-20 years. So don’t tell me to visit, I see it first hand EVERY ****** DAY.

This isn’t even one of the bad areas.

I grew up on San Carlos. If you want to take this conversation private we can. But the bottom line is you are right and very wrong. But even if you were 100% right, it still stays the same. I would rather $$ go to the Reservations that need it than any where else in the world.

 

[oneforthebus]

Being a vet, I have no stomach for war any longer. I see Israeli children and Palestinian children broken, battered, suffering at the hands of mad men who sit in palaces concerned about absolute power, consumed by greed who use people like me to achieve their goals. There aren't "sides" to these orchestrated global chess matches unless you look at it from the lens of elites versus everyone else. F*** Israel, F*** Palestine, F*** Russia, F*** Ukraine, F*** China, F*** Tiawan, and F*** Joe Biden.

While I don’t like war I don’t think you can let Hamas get away with what they’ve done. That’s just an invitation to do it over and over again. I think the US and the world still have an interest in fighting against radical Islamic terrorism, unfortunately we are playing patty cake with them when we should be destroying them. And yes I know if you destroy one another one pops up. It’s a complex situation. But a civilized world cannot just accept the unprovoked torture and slaughter of innocent people.

 

[MT~Forged]

I grew up on San Carlos. If you want to take this conversation private we can. But the bottom line is you are right and very wrong. But even if you were 100% right, it still stays the same. I would rather $$ go to the Reservations that need it than any where else in the world.

There are MANY that should get assistance in THIS COUNTRY before sending it around the world.

I do understand that everyone has different experiences, and viewpoints. I’m sure there are a few things I would believe you to be very wrong about too. My personal experience shows me to be fairly assessing the situation in my area, other areas will most definitely be different.

 

[BLITZ]

There are MANY that should get assistance in THIS COUNTRY before sending it around the world.

I do understand that everyone has different experiences, and viewpoints. I’m sure there are a few things I would believe you to be very wrong about too. My personal experience shows me to be fairly assessing the situation in my area, other areas will most definitely be different.

You are right. I am wrong about alot of thing. but this topic is not one of them. I am one of those "Apples" you refer to. The term is hilarious to the people. it is a white term. I made more money last month than my parents did in any 2 years of their life's. My people do not piss and moan. they fight hard to get out of the world they grew up in.
I am a "apple" to you fine folks living on the outskirts of a Rez that thinks they understand the life. you dont.
I have lived off the Rez longer than I have lived on it at this point But I still have family that live on San carlos. They dont look down on me for being an "apple". they fight to be like me.

edit. apologies all. did not mean to blow up this thread with my own personal beliefs. for those that dont know. "apple "means red on outside white on inside. Bullshit term.

This is a bigger topic. The USA should worry about our own at this point. and as MT said. there are many that should get assistance in this country.

 

[Steelr4evr]

Hamas knew this would be the response. They don't care if they get a bunch of their people killed.

They're just the catalyst to get multiple countries attacking Israel. The goal has been and always will be to wipe them out.


If you look on TV you see tens of thousands marching in support of the Palestinians. They've done an excellent job of playing victim.

 

[Stewey]

I don’t need to I currently live on the edge of a Rez. I see first hand their issues, as well as associate with them. For every one that does better themselves, 5 try to also. The biggest problem is that those that try to or do succeed, they are branded Apples by those who are too lazy to. The cultural issues are their biggest problems, and they just want to ***** and moan. Hell, there is a huge Casino complex and golf resort on this Rez, and they can’t even fill the jobs, because no one wants to work. They also have Tribal farms, but not enough workers. They do have plenty of drunks and drug addicts, even though the Tribal jobs for Tribal members start @ $20 an hour. The drop out rate has averaged almost 60% over the last 10-20 years. So don’t tell me to visit, I see it first hand EVERY ****** DAY.

This isn’t even one of the bad areas.

I don't understand this pity for Native Americans
Native Americans enjoy the same rights and freedoms as anyone else.

There is this particular idiom "Go off the reservation".

They are free to go off the reservation and become a part Americas heterogeneous population, but they choose not to.

 

[Badcat]

While I don’t like war I don’t think you can let Hamas get away with what they’ve done. That’s just an invitation to do it over and over again. I think the US and the world still have an interest in fighting against radical Islamic terrorism, unfortunately we are playing patty cake with them when we should be destroying them. And yes I know if you destroy one another one pops up. It’s a complex situation. But a civilized world cannot just accept the unprovoked torture and slaughter of innocent people.

So you bomb their houses, their hospitals, places of business and stop supply lines from entering their neighborhoods so that people don't have food, clean drinking water and medical supplies? My point is that The People suffer the consequences of these rich overlords and their demented strategies for gaining power and ruling lands. Worse yet is that our government is barrowing printing press money that cannot be repaid and giving it to these evil ******** to enrich themselves and their families.

If you truly want to stop terrorism, then why give six billion tax paying dollars to Iran who has a rich history of funding Hamas and Hezbollah? That's right, you and me working our ***** off to fund terrorism. And when the **** gets real and the US steps in to "Stop Terrorism", it's our son's and our daughters who are then slaughtered, crippled, and so ****** in the head if they're lucky enough to make it back home, that 22 of them will die by their own hands every day. But hey, Hunter can snort Coke off of a stripper's *** cause Daddy got rich funneling US funds through the Ukraine and oh, guess who it also at war right now and getting our tax dollars?

**** makes me sick.

 

[Stewey]

Hamas knew this would be the response. They don't care if they get a bunch of their people killed.

They're just the catalyst to get multiple countries attacking Israel. The goal has been and always will be to wipe them out.


If you look on TV you see tens of thousands marching in support of the Palestinians. They've done an excellent job of playing victim.

There cannot be peace if one side does not recognize the others right to exist.

It is the life's work of Hamas and others to exterminate Israel understanding it may never occur in their lifetimes.

 

[MT~Forged]

You are right. I am wrong about alot of thing. but this topic is not one of them. I am one of those "Apples" you refer to. The term is hilarious to the people. it is a white term. I made more money last month than my parents did in any 2 years of their life's. My people do not piss and moan. they fight hard to get out of the world they grew up in.
I am a "apple" to you fine folks living on the outskirts of a Rez that thinks they understand the life. you dont.
I have lived off the Rez longer than I have lived on it at this point But I still have family that live on San carlos. They dont look down on me for being an "apple". they fight to be like me.

edit. apologies all. did not mean to blow up this thread with my own personal beliefs. for those that dont know. "apple "means red on outside white on inside. Bullshit term.

This is a bigger topic. The USA should worry about our own at this point. and as MT said. there are many that should get assistance in this country.

I am truly glad that you have a much different experience than most. Hopefully your example does in fact help create the much needed change.
I can’t tell you how many times I have heard the term Apple used, and EVERY time it was a Native using it in a derogatory manner towards another.

 

[MT~Forged]

So you bomb their houses, their hospitals, places of business and stop supply lines from entering their neighborhoods so that people don't have food, clean drinking water and medical supplies? My point is that The People suffer the consequences of these rich overlords and their demented strategies for gaining power and ruling lands. Worse yet is that our government is barrowing printing press money that cannot be repaid and giving it to these evil ******** to enrich themselves and their families.

If you truly want to stop terrorism, then why give six billion tax paying dollars to Iran who has a rich history of funding Hamas and Hezbollah? That's right, you and me working our ***** off to fund terrorism. And when the **** gets real and the US steps in to "Stop Terrorism", it's our son's and our daughters who are then slaughtered, crippled, and so ****** in the head if they're lucky enough to make it back home, that 22 of them will die by their own hands every day. But hey, Hunter can snort Coke off of a stripper's *** cause Daddy got rich funneling US funds through the Ukraine and oh, guess who it also at war right now and getting our tax dollars?

**** makes me sick.

I could be mistaken, but from what I read, the money given to Iran was from frozen accounts in the US. of course, the information came from media sources which can be suspect.

 

[Badcat]

I could be mistaken, but from what I read, the money given to Iran was from frozen accounts in the US. of course, the information came from media sources which can be suspect.

No, you're correct and it's "earmarked" for specific humanitarian efforts and the US can freeze or restrict it for any reasons they deem fit. But once released, Khamenei is on record as saying he'll use it for whatever he wants to.

 

[xjx]

What fool in government really thought the money would only be used for humanitarian stuff? Joe.

 

[Vincent]

At some point, probably after they've looted the last cent and have reached their terrorist immigration quota, it will dawn on some of us that we are an oligarchy, not the fabled Republic we were for a brief period of time. Oligarchs employ minions to cook up 'causes' that are packaged as crises designed to trigger the predisposed to such blithering idiocy. Please understand that oligarchs cannot be entertained by plebeian amusement. They are entertained by feeding their greed and their various blood lusts.

Eisenhower warned us of these blood sucking demons in his parting address as the 'military industrial complex'. We were entirely too stupid to understand that message and have capitulated to the endless wars that have fed the demons, not a one of which was necessary or justifiable, just the latest 'crisis'.

Oh, but what works so beautifully with wars can be ported to nearly everything stupid people can be distracted by - climate hysteria, baby murder hysteria, perversion hysteria, every imagined special 'rights' hysteria, and so on. Tens of trillions in 'national debt' and hundreds of millions in 'unfunded obligations' later we find ourselves hopelessly bankrupt at the hands of those we 'elected', the bought and paid for servants of the demons. The 'military industrial complex' has evolved into a military industrial financial political media (and everything else that lords over us) complex.

It's decades past time to 'say something'. We are where we are because we didn't. We were and are absorbed in the vanity of our own lusts - 'standard of living', 'the latest' bauble, the Dopamine drip that is 'social media', the quest to achieve the most personal debt ev-har, and on and on and on.

Ukraine is a grift. Period. Don't even suggest that there is some 'national interest' at stake. Don't go there. It is a massive crime factory wrapped as a money laundering operation presented to us as a 'humanitarian' crisis that stupid people just must throw billions at. Which feeds their vanity in the form of 'nice people are for Ukraine'.

In practical terms, when you're bankrupt, the 'credit' is shut off. Anybody see the treasury auction? Nobody wants our debt. **** flows downhill. Watch for it. Any discussion of money flowing overseas (other than debt service) at this point will soon be drowned in a cacophony of horror and anguish as our 'economy' collapses on us. But take solace in the amusement we provide the oligarchs. And note that they hide their wealth 'off shore'.

 

[xjx]

And the spending never ends.

 

[MT~Forged]

No, you're correct and it's "earmarked" for specific humanitarian efforts and the US can freeze or restrict it for any reasons they deem fit. But once released, Khamenei is on record as saying he'll use it for whatever he wants to.

I always laugh when people say that it can only be used for “X”. All this does is free up the money they already have because we are giving them other money.

A good example is Planned Parenthood. All we hear is that the money they get from the Government is not used for abortion services. This is the biggest load of horseshit there is. Let’s assume that PP has 1 million dollars to spend before receiving ANY government funding. Then they have 500 grand in operating costs. Now they have 500 grand for abortions. Along comes Uncle Sugar, he hands them 500 grand, but stipulates they can not use it for abortions. All the people cheer at the restrictions. Uncle Sugar’s money goes to cover their 500 grand in operating costs, now they have 1 million for abortions, 500 grand more than they had before.

Same example can be used in the “humanitarian funding“ money released to Iran.

 

[xjx]

In D.C. it's described as creative accounting.