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Sometimes you trade future for Trey Lance and gethet Brock Purdy

SteelerFan448 said:
That was Harris' maybe 4th or 5th good game in three seasons. The Steelers drafted him to put up those numbers every week.
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Barry Sanders wouldn't be able to live up to the hype behind our OL.

I like Warren a lot but remember, teams don't have a lot of data on him. His collegiate resume was quite different than Najee's. Consistently speaking, if Warren gets the nod at RB1, we'll the production level remain the same? Be better? Or will reality smack us in the face and his YPC drop under 3 per run???

I'm not avocating that the latter happens but Warren isn't going to wear down these new age defenses with LBs that can run like the wind too...

Just Berm's two cents on the topic.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
Interesting (not in a good way), going into the bye, with 5 games under their belts, the Steelers have ZERO rushing TDs on the year. None for Najee. None for Warren. None for KP8. NONE. ZERO. The PITTSBURGH FREAKING STEELERS have zero rushing tds after 1/3 of the season has been played!:mad::mad::mad::mad:
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Kenny has 4 interceptions though...

#duckingtomatoes
 
SteelBuckeye said:
Interesting (not in a good way), going into the bye, with 5 games under their belts, the Steelers have ZERO rushing TDs on the year. None for Najee. None for Warren. None for KP8. NONE. ZERO. The PITTSBURGH FREAKING STEELERS have zero rushing tds after 1/3 of the season has been played!:mad::mad::mad::mad:
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You’d think that at least one of them could have broke free and scampered for a 10 yarder,or at least a one yarder!

Then I look it up. Through 5 games,5 tds through the air.

Ohhhhh,I remember it so well. It seems like yesterday when Ben was throwing for 5 tds a game.
Seriously folks. It’s pitiful.
 
The offense is clearly better with Warren on the field. Its not even close. Harris is close to 240 and he can"t even get a 3rd and 1 most of the time, and when he does its always 1 or 2 yard gain. Anyone with as limited a skillset as Harris, slow, poor vision and no field awareness. better be able to get the tough yards when it matters. He can't. Isaac Redman always got the tough yards.
Harris always got the excuses, line, coordinator, foot injury. Guess what, he still looks like the same guy, minus the pass catching because Warren is getting the passes now.
 
bermudasteel said:
Ok...go back and look at last week. Again, no comment.
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Harris did play well last week, you know why? because the Steelers were kicking the tires on Jonathon Taylor. The only time Harris has a good game is when the media is talking about his job being on the line. He's has a handful or strong games in 2 1/4 years
 
bigben said:
Harris did play well last week, you know why? because the Steelers were kicking the tires on Jonathon Taylor. The only time Harris has a good game is when the media is talking about his job being on the line. He's has a handful or strong games in 2 1/4 years
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I don't know what the ultimate problem is. What I do know is one back does good one week and the other the next. This week was Warren next game it could be back to Najee doing well. That O-line is very inconsistent as is Canada's ****** play calling and scheme. So you will get erratic play as a result. I can't say week to week that both backs have lit it up. Although I do like some of the explosive aspects of Warren's game.
 
I think Warren is somewhat fools gold. I mean he is a very good back, but he is being used different than Najee so it's hard to compare. The Steelers rarely throw to Najee so they can key on the run. With Warren the steelers throw to him so the D is a like little more hesitant. The Steelers could throw to Najee, but don't even try most of the time. If both backs were utilized equally I think Najee would come out on top running and Warren receiving. I like how Warren plays with intensity, but he seems to take big shots. Not sure Warren would thrive as an every down back in this offense. If the Steelers would game plan properly both backs would look really good
 
When a RB has a defender at his feet when he takes the hand-off, that is reflective of the predictability of the scheme AND the OL.

All backs perform better when they can build up speed before contact. Warren is definitely more deliberate with getting "vertical" and often runs away from the "designed" hole.

Najee could be a Derrick Henry/Gus Edwards monster IF he could get 3 yards before contact like the two mentioned. This is scheme. No team schemes to run against a heavy box as the odds aren't there. We continue to stay with a low percentage play against a heavy box instead of running play action over the coverage that would back them up. That is scheme.

The use of a FB/H-back/TE as a backside blocker is only necessary because of the predictability of the play. This player should be clearing the running lane as most teams do. A QB RPO may freeze the DE/OLB if we ran it occasionally allowing the TE to clear the running lane instead of sealing the edge BUT instead we get a play-action pass to a limited side of the field which everyone knows is coming. Let KP run an RPO and he will get the 5 yards the HB was supposed to get. THEN the HB run might work once in a while.

No back is going to be special in this nightmare.
 
keslerclan said:
When a RB has a defender at his feet when he takes the hand-off, that is reflective of the predictability of the scheme AND the OL.

All backs perform better when they can build up speed before contact. Warren is definitely more deliberate with getting "vertical" and often runs away from the "designed" hole.

Najee could be a Derrick Henry/Gus Edwards monster IF he could get 3 yards before contact like the two mentioned. This is scheme. No team schemes to run against a heavy box as the odds aren't there. We continue to stay with a low percentage play against a heavy box instead of running play action over the coverage that would back them up. That is scheme.

The use of a FB/H-back/TE as a backside blocker is only necessary because of the predictability of the play. This player should be clearing the running lane as most teams do. A QB RPO may freeze the DE/OLB if we ran it occasionally allowing the TE to clear the running lane instead of sealing the edge BUT instead we get a play-action pass to a limited side of the field which everyone knows is coming. Let KP run an RPO and he will get the 5 yards the HB was supposed to get. THEN the HB run might work once in a while.

No back is going to be special in this nightmare.
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Spot on, bro. Spot on…
 
keslerclan said:
When a RB has a defender at his feet when he takes the hand-off, that is reflective of the predictability of the scheme AND the OL.

All backs perform better when they can build up speed before contact. Warren is definitely more deliberate with getting "vertical" and often runs away from the "designed" hole.

Najee could be a Derrick Henry/Gus Edwards monster IF he could get 3 yards before contact like the two mentioned. This is scheme. No team schemes to run against a heavy box as the odds aren't there. We continue to stay with a low percentage play against a heavy box instead of running play action over the coverage that would back them up. That is scheme.

The use of a FB/H-back/TE as a backside blocker is only necessary because of the predictability of the play. This player should be clearing the running lane as most teams do. A QB RPO may freeze the DE/OLB if we ran it occasionally allowing the TE to clear the running lane instead of sealing the edge BUT instead we get a play-action pass to a limited side of the field which everyone knows is coming. Let KP run an RPO and he will get the 5 yards the HB was supposed to get. THEN the HB run might work once in a while.

No back is going to be special in this nightmare.
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Bingo. I was calling out the plays during the game and my wife looked at me like I was a genius! Then I started to explain how I was able to guess the play. By the fourth quarter, she picked up that anytime Robinson motioned in towards the line, it was a run. And she knows NOTHING about football.
 
keslerclan said:
When a RB has a defender at his feet when he takes the hand-off, that is reflective of the predictability of the scheme AND the OL.

All backs perform better when they can build up speed before contact. Warren is definitely more deliberate with getting "vertical" and often runs away from the "designed" hole.

Najee could be a Derrick Henry/Gus Edwards monster IF he could get 3 yards before contact like the two mentioned. This is scheme. No team schemes to run against a heavy box as the odds aren't there. We continue to stay with a low percentage play against a heavy box instead of running play action over the coverage that would back them up. That is scheme.

The use of a FB/H-back/TE as a backside blocker is only necessary because of the predictability of the play. This player should be clearing the running lane as most teams do. A QB RPO may freeze the DE/OLB if we ran it occasionally allowing the TE to clear the running lane instead of sealing the edge BUT instead we get a play-action pass to a limited side of the field which everyone knows is coming. Let KP run an RPO and he will get the 5 yards the HB was supposed to get. THEN the HB run might work once in a while.

No back is going to be special in this nightmare.
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jitter77 said:
I think Warren is somewhat fools gold. I mean he is a very good back, but he is being used different than Najee so it's hard to compare. The Steelers rarely throw to Najee so they can key on the run. With Warren the steelers throw to him so the D is a like little more hesitant. The Steelers could throw to Najee, but don't even try most of the time. If both backs were utilized equally I think Najee would come out on top running and Warren receiving. I like how Warren plays with intensity, but he seems to take big shots. Not sure Warren would thrive as an every down back in this offense. If the Steelers would game plan properly both backs would look really good
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The Steelers use to throw to Najee a bunch but Warren is a better pass catcher and more dangerous in space.
The scheme isn't good nor the line, but Derrick Henry is powerful and fast once he hits second gear. Najee isn't powerful and has no second gear.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
Interesting (not in a good way), going into the bye, with 5 games under their belts, the Steelers have ZERO rushing TDs on the year. None for Najee. None for Warren. None for KP8. NONE. ZERO. The PITTSBURGH FREAKING STEELERS have zero rushing tds after 1/3 of the season has been played!:mad::mad::mad::mad:
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Number one thing I sad needed fixing. Running inside 10. Never thought they would hardly get there.
 
Want to be clear. Don't think Najee is a poor player. He is a poor fit. He is a patient runner and the oline is not a fit. Imagine Bell in his prime running behind this. He stops with his patient style and then every gap is full.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
With his lack of speed and ability to create his own yards, Najee is third-round talent drafted in the first. Those Bama teams were stacked at every position on offense making the RB quite possibly the player defenses had to worry about the least.

Speaking of Purdy, what a perfect QB for San Francisco's offense. They didn't need anything special in terms of athletic ability, arm strength, etc. They needed a QB who could make all the throws and operate within that system and Purdy has been terrific.
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90% of being the QB is above the neck. Knowing where to throw the ball and accuracy. I don't think I have seen a rookie QB read a defense and disseminate information as quickly as Purdy in my life. I liked him coming out of college and probably more than most as I had him rated as a 5th round pick. But I too was looking at his height and size and it dropped him on by board. My notes on him said high floor guy who will be a long term backup in the NFL and can spot start for you and put the ball where it needs to be. That last sentence is huge and is a teachable moment for me. The entire job of the QB is to put the ball where it needs to be. That is the first and foremost important thing your QB does.
 
Najee seems like a good guy. Keep him as a short yardage back. Because short yardage is what he does well.
 
bigben said:
Najee isn't powerful and has no second gear.
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This is just from the Texans game. ******* idiot, not powerful my ***. The OL gets ZERO push and he still was the only one that did a damn thing in that game. I'm just so tired of the Harris vs Warren BS. We have two solid backs, in a **** system. But I'm glad we have them both, because in today's NFL, you need TWO good backs.
 
insaniti said:


This is just from the Texans game. ******* idiot, not powerful my ***. The OL gets ZERO push and he still was the only one that did a damn thing in that game. I'm just so tired of the Harris vs Warren BS. We have two solid backs, in a **** system. But I'm glad we have them both, because in today's NFL, you need TWO good backs.
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Najee only seems to bring that out when his back is against the wall, whether it's being called out by the media or facing some sort of criticism. He's so slow getting to the hole and I think that's why his yards above expect has been among the worst in the NFL since being drafted.
 
The only reason people are still clinging to the (wrong) notion that Najee is better is because he was drafted in the first round and/or he’s from Bama. That’s it. Anyone with a working pair of eyes can see Warren is the better all-around back.
 
Ye Black Knight said:
The only reason people are still clinging to the (wrong) notion that Najee is better is because he was drafted in the first round and/or he’s from Bama. That’s it. Anyone with a working pair of eyes can see Warren is the better all-around back.
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I mean, there's also the fact that Najee has a better ypc than Warren 3.9 to 3.6. And also has more explosive runs this year (explosive being a run of 20+ yards). Three for Najee. Zero for Warren. Other than that Warren is far and away the better back.
But, as was said, they are both good backs in a **** system. And if the system were better, we'd be glad to have both of them.
 
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I think the Steelers have two of the top thirty backs in the league… and zero of the top 30 offensive linemen.
 
Troglodyte said:
I think the Steelers have two of the top thirty backs in the league… and zero of the top 30 offensive linemen.
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No I just think we are using the line really incorrectly…
Cole last year was a top half of the league Center, but we weren’t asking him to play way out of his ability level… now we want him making super athletic quick plays…

Overall i think its a hodgepodge of things, some execution, but most its scheme …
 
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