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Steelers gotta stop being cheap

Btw, no where am I saying tuition rates are high because so much money is spent on the football programs. Nowhere have I made that assertion. I am questioning whether this amount of a commitment to athletics is the way it should be, or the way it was intended.
You brought Football into the post complaining about high tuition, the fact that too much money was being spent on football. The coaches and the stadiums.
You are complaining about "commitment" meaning $$ in this post as well??
If the School were to get rid of Football the would lose 110 million in annual revenue. You think that would help or hurt the School?
You think getting rid of the School's biggest cash cow (The Football) that is the answer to lowering tuition?
 
Did any of that $57 million profit do a thing to reduce tuition rates?

Look, I enjoy college football, but higher education was not designed for young people to go have debt for years while football coaches make $10 million a year and millions is spent on football facilities. It just wasn't. Granted, there are a lot of young people that probably shouldn't be there. I probably shouldn't have been when I went in 1980s at first. But I could still work and pay for it while my dumb *** figured it out. I also know that one reason tuition is so high is because the government got involved in the student loan business, like Zona stated.

I just don't think it's a good look. I just wonder if Teddy Roosevelt, who "saved" college football back in 1905, would see it now what he would think.
No, the profit from football covers the losses from all of the other athletic programs it supports.
 
No, the profit from football covers the losses from all of the other athletic programs it supports.

^^^THIS^^^

Colleges are "for profit" institutions. They are going to make money, not lose money. The more regulated, the more cost, thus the higher tuition. As long as students / parents are willing to pay, they will be willing to charge for profit.

Trade schools have been increasing attendance significantly, due to the specialized trade / job they train you for. You actually start a career instead of hoping to start a career once graduating college.


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You brought Football into the post complaining about high tuition, the fact that too much money was being spent on football. The coaches and the stadiums.
You are complaining about "commitment" meaning $$ in this post as well??
If the School were to get rid of Football the would lose 110 million in annual revenue. You think that would help or hurt the School?
You think getting rid of the School's biggest cash cow (The Football) that is the answer to lowering tuition?
No I do not. I understand the issues that are driving the coast of tuition. My point is was/is higher education supposed to be this way? While the two may not be connected, it just seems a bit unseemly when tuition rates are what they are to spend so damn much on athletics. It's kinda like with the problems we have in this country with higher costs for everything, should we be sending billions to the Ukraine to help fund a war they won't win?
 
No I do not. I understand the issues that are driving the coast of tuition. My point is was/is higher education supposed to be this way? While the two may not be connected, it just seems a bit unseemly when tuition rates are what they are to spend so damn much on athletics. It's kinda like with the problems we have in this country with higher costs for everything, should we be sending billions to the Ukraine to help fund a war they won't win?
Setting politics (Ukraine) aside, the real question should be what the net benefit (profit) should be used for.

Should it support women's lacrosse or funding for needy students? IMO, if the Feds didn't gtee student loans, then that football profit probably goes towards educating more people rather than the fencing team.

Clearly, that decision is up to those that administer the school's funds. I just wish that the Feds had not altered the economics by guaranteeing student loans while there is a profit to cover the school's bad debt exposure.
 
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No, the profit from football covers the losses from all of the other athletic programs it supports.
Penn State wrestling just signed Marcus Blaze, the number one recruit in the country. Ohio State offered Marcus a NIL deal of 6 years, $400,000 per year (2.4 million dollars) and he clearly turned it down to wrestle for THE Nittany Lions. In Cael we trust.

Tell me again how the other sports are losing money? :cool: Granted Softball, Volleyball, etc are losing their collective ***** but NIL (Happy Valley United) is changing all of that too.
 
No I do not. I understand the issues that are driving the coast of tuition. My point is was/is higher education supposed to be this way? While the two may not be connected, it just seems a bit unseemly when tuition rates are what they are to spend so damn much on athletics. It's kinda like with the problems we have in this country with higher costs for everything, should we be sending billions to the Ukraine to help fund a war they won't win?
I get you for the most part, I just think costs are outrageous for every school, athletic powerhouse or not.
They powers that be want us broke, fat and sick. These wars are huge money makers for the corrupt foreign leaders and our corrupt politicians to steal our tax money. Nothing to do with saving anyone.
They use division and create culture wars as a distraction. People are waking up to it thanks to DJT and independent media calling it out.
 
I get you for the most part, I just think costs are outrageous for every school, athletic powerhouse or not.
They powers that be want us broke, fat and sick. These wars are huge money makers for the corrupt foreign leaders and our corrupt politicians to steal our tax money. Nothing to do with saving anyone.
They use division and create culture wars as a distraction. People are waking up to it thanks to DJT and independent media calling it out.
Because more people need to have the "Stupid Talk" with their kids when selecting schools. My Daughter was selected for the famous Art school in Savanna (SCAD - 40K per year) as she wanted to be an Interior designer. So, I sat down with her and we worked out an average salary for an interior designer, what her monthly student loans would be, average apartment, etc. She was in the negative before we got to bills and food. Light Bulb moment. Did the same with my Son who got into Kentucky (63k per year). My Daughter and my Son went to smaller schools and they both graduated with less than $20k of student loan debt which is manageable for them now that they're employed.

If kids and parents would stop getting these damn loans and going to these schools with hellacious tuition rates, the prices will come down.
 
Penn State wrestling just signed Marcus Blaze, the number one recruit in the country. Ohio State offered Marcus a NIL deal of 6 years, $400,000 per year (2.4 million dollars) and he clearly turned it down to wrestle for THE Nittany Lions. In Cael we trust.

Tell me again how the other sports are losing money? :cool: Granted Softball, Volleyball, etc are losing their collective ***** but NIL (Happy Valley United) is changing all of that too.
OK. I'll tell you again: Every other Penn State sport besides football and basketball (which shows a small profit) loses money. Including your beloved wrestling program, which was $800K in the red last year.

From a July 2024 article on statecollege.com:

"A commitment to 31 Division I sports is an interesting challenge for an athletic department like Penn State which has found no small part of its identity centered around a diverse and deep athletic department. On the one hand it has always been part of the fabric that makes Penn State what it is, on the other hand collegiate athletics are not as lucrative of a venture as they might appear. Excluding Penn State football and men’s basketball, every single sport that Penn State fields posted more expenses than revenues in the most recent fiscal year, something that has been true for the better part of forever. Even wrestling landed on the wrong side of the ledger, posting $3.2 million in revenues while coming up just shy of $4 million in expenses."
 
Because more people need to have the "Stupid Talk" with their kids when selecting schools. My Daughter was selected for the famous Art school in Savanna (SCAD - 40K per year) as she wanted to be an Interior designer. So, I sat down with her and we worked out an average salary for an interior designer, what her monthly student loans would be, average apartment, etc. She was in the negative before we got to bills and food. Light Bulb moment. Did the same with my Son who got into Kentucky (63k per year). My Daughter and my Son went to smaller schools and they both graduated with less than $20k of student loan debt which is manageable for them now that they're employed.

If kids and parents would stop getting these damn loans and going to these schools with hellacious tuition rates, the prices will come down.

Kentucky costs $63k per year??! As in, the University of Kentucky?? In Lexington? There's no way that's right. .
 
Penn State wrestling just signed Marcus Blaze, the number one recruit in the country. Ohio State offered Marcus a NIL deal of 6 years, $400,000 per year (2.4 million dollars) and he clearly turned it down to wrestle for THE Nittany Lions. In Cael we trust.

Tell me again how the other sports are losing money? :cool: Granted Softball, Volleyball, etc are losing their collective ***** but NIL (Happy Valley United) is changing all of that too.
Penn State Wrestling probably makes money as it’s a premier program and central PA is big on wrestling. So even if the students aren’t packing the stands, people from nearby towns are.
 
SOUR, and rightfully so on the taxpayer burden of the NFL………………………..

**** the NFL using tax payer money. I’m NOT here to fund the NFL.

I could use a new Plumbing & HVAC shop,……………… will you kind taxpayers pay for that ???


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Billionaires love the people who actually pay taxes to carry the burden for them. Rich guys are really good at keeping their money and hiding it from taxation.

Fans shouldn’t be asked to pay for the billionaires new toy, it’s just stupid. PSLs are bad enough but at least that cost is placed upon people actually attending the games. Taxing people that don’t even go under the guise of income generation for the city is just another case of the rich guy playing the shell game and showing his extreme ability in the usage of mojo hand.
 
I get you for the most part, I just think costs are outrageous for every school, athletic powerhouse or not.
They powers that be want us broke, fat and sick. These wars are huge money makers for the corrupt foreign leaders and our corrupt politicians to steal our tax money. Nothing to do with saving anyone.
They use division and create culture wars as a distraction. People are waking up to it thanks to DJT and independent media calling it out.
Leave politics where they belong. And if you think a politician's goal is to save people, send me your brain so I can fertilize my tomatoes.
 
I'd have the Steelers with the best equipment and resources always.

In the grand scheme of things it's relatively cheap,it protects and improves your investment.

It's part of winning.
 
I'd have the Steelers with the best equipment and resources always.

In the grand scheme of things it's relatively cheap,it protects and improves your investment.

It's part of winning.


Just maybe they could advert some of these soft injuries. Seems like we have a run on the soft tissue injuries every year where as higher end training facilities might help with that.

Maybe employ a few more strength and fitness trainers /coaches as well


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Because more people need to have the "Stupid Talk" with their kids when selecting schools. My Daughter was selected for the famous Art school in Savanna (SCAD - 40K per year) as she wanted to be an Interior designer. So, I sat down with her and we worked out an average salary for an interior designer, what her monthly student loans would be, average apartment, etc. She was in the negative before we got to bills and food. Light Bulb moment. Did the same with my Son who got into Kentucky (63k per year). My Daughter and my Son went to smaller schools and they both graduated with less than $20k of student loan debt which is manageable for them now that they're employed.

If kids and parents would stop getting these damn loans and going to these schools with hellacious tuition rates, the prices will come down.
You're kids are lucky to have fiscally responsible parents! Plenty of dumb parents out there that care more about the bragging rights of a prestigious school than the actual cost/ benefit ratio.
 
Brains not good fertilizer for tomatoes.


Should we have that leaf talk again.............................................

I did collect two more loads, 400 bushel.

I put Cyclone Rake Vac away for the season. Cleaned and now have parked my SCAGG Zero turn for the season.

All Good BLITZ, happy end of season, except I'm going to dig up some Horse Radish Root and make horse-radish soon.


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Should we have that leaf talk again.............................................

I did collect two more loads, 400 bushel.

I put Cyclone Rake Vac away for the season. Cleaned and now have parked my SCAGG Zero turn for the season.

All Good BLITZ, happy end of season, except I'm going to dig up some Horse Radish Root and make horse-radish soon.


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Summer garden is gone. but fall garden in full swing. Cabbages, bok choy, swiss chard, broccoli, spinach, lettuces, carrots, brussells sprouts.. good times get that leaf mold going!
 
Summer garden is gone. but fall garden in full swing. Cabbages, bok choy, swiss chard, broccoli, spinach, lettuces, carrots, brussells sprouts.. good times get that leaf mold going!


I don’t quite have that second growing season here. To date this fall, I’ve 18F & 19F, almost every night is below freezing (love 20sF).

I envy your ability to enjoy good, home-grown food. That is a goal of mine, to grow 70-80% + of what I eat.


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I don’t quite have that second growing season here. To date this fall, I’ve 18F & 19F, almost every night is below freezing (love 20sF).

I envy your ability to enjoy good, home-grown food. That is a goal of mine, to grow 70-80% + of what I eat.


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if you start cabbages and bok choy early enough, they can last into the low teens. Last year I had 6 cabbage last until I pulled them in late Jan. I did have to cover them several times when it got super cold.
Growing your own food and knowing exactly what goes in it.
 
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