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Steelers have a formal draft meeting with Trotter Jr.

In my opinion no ILB should have a first round grade unless he can play run and pass well at a high level. Shazier had a rough start but attained that status.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
In my opinion no ILB should have a first round grade unless he can play run and pass well at a high level. Shazier had a rough start but attained that status.
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Not only that, but if you don't have an effective NT in a 3-4 your ILBs will be hindered and so far, Shades hasn't soaked that factor in so much.
 
Greg Lloyd said:
Not only that, but if you don't have an effective NT in a 3-4 your ILBs will be hindered and so far, Shades hasn't soaked that factor in so much.
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Agreed if you have an immovable stone in the middle you don't need as big a run stuff in there. They just can't stand in quick Sand like Devin Bush.
 
slashsteel said:
Cooper made his drills look easy. Just fluid movements that looked effortless. He looks like a safe prospect. His 4.5 40 was solid as well.
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I'd love to get a player in the 3rd round for ILB, if possible, considering all our other needs (OC, DL, RT, CB). If we could hit on 3 out of 5 that would be outstanding.
 
slashsteel said:
Yeah I was one of Watt's biggest pimpers.

Not going to go down that yellow brick road with Trotter Jr.

I will say I don't think he will bust out. I just don't think he will star either. I think you will get a good player. Which is ok if that is all you are expecting. For our 1st or 2nd rounder I hope for more than that.

I know this take won't be popular with some but I wouldn't touch ILBer until round 3.
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over time I've realized my strengths and weaknesses evaluating players in the draft

I thought Jarvis might be an impact player, can't be more wrong than that...I just suck at evaluating LBs (huge weakness)
I've been pretty much money on QBs over the years though (strength)

As I get older and wiser I've become smart enough to defer to the opinions of some of the resident experts here when looking at LBs pre draft
 
Fiji Mariner said:
over time I've realized my strengths and weaknesses evaluating players in the draft

I thought Jarvis might be an impact player, can't be more wrong than that...I just suck at evaluating LBs (huge weakness)
I've been pretty much money on QBs over the years though (strength)

As I get older and wiser I've become smart enough to defer to the opinions of some of the resident experts here when looking at LBs pre draft
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**** we just dig in and see what we think. We don't have access to all the videos/game film and or have the time to see them all.

Just a fun past time, where we are either right or wrong. No biggie either way.

Although I will say TMC when he has time was pretty good at watching game film watching.

The one site I used to enjoy going to shut down so I don't have as much access other than what youube provides...

I like looking at the statistical trends but that is such an exact science. Even the combine has mixed results for top performers.

I was just looking at past years results at various positions.

I always feel they better show glimpses of being a football player first. Because the size , athletic profile can develop theory usually doesn't end well....
 
slashsteel said:
I always feel they better show glimpses of being a football player first. Because the size , athletic profile can develop theory usually doesn't end well....
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Mike Mamula....comes to mind: Came to the combine as a no one; his size, speed and strength made his stock blow up for the draft. The sucker Eagles wasted a 1st round pick on him. He ended up doing nothing in the NFL.

I'm with the Jimmy Johnson school on the draft: production aces everything else. When asked if Zach Thomas' lack of height didn't concern him, Jimmy said "We won't be asking him to change light bulbs around here."
 
Greg Lloyd said:
Mike Mamula....comes to mind: Came to the combine as a no one; his size, speed and strength made his stock blow up for the draft. The sucker Eagles wasted a 1st round pick on him. He ended up doing nothing in the NFL.

I'm with the Jimmy Johnson school on the draft: production aces everything else. When asked if Zach Thomas' lack of height didn't concern him, Jimmy said "We won't be asking him to change light bulbs around here."
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If we are talking Steelers looked like Tarzan played like Jane? Look no further than Steve Conley. But yeah there is many examples. **** if you take the broad jump, 40 yard dash,3-cone, shuttle ,vert testing the best of the best within the history of.

You see a huge amount of failures. Then you see a guy with soso speed, average across the board measurables but highly productive on the field. They will never be able to measure heart and determination. Or if a college player maxed out, etc.

The inexact science will forever be.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
In my opinion no ILB should have a first round grade unless he can play run and pass well at a high level. Shazier had a rough start but attained that status.
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Too bad no one taught him to tackle properly. Watching Shazier play, I always said he was going to get hurt from his poor tackling form. I never expected him to get hurt that bad though.
 
slashsteel said:
If we are talking Steelers looked like Tarzan played like Jane? Look no further than Steve Conley. But yeah there is many examples. **** if you take the broad jump, 40 yard dash,3-cone, shuttle ,vert testing the best of the best within the history of.

You see a huge amount of failures. Then you see a guy with soso speed, average across the board measurables but highly productive on the field. They will never be able to measure heart and determination. Or if a college player maxed out, etc.

The inexact science will forever be.
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I think the best determinant is on field play

But that must be weighed against competition level as well as factors like athletic growth potential and drive/determination -super hard to determine how a guys genetic makeup unfolds coupled with his dedication to the profession at the next higher level

You can gauge these things, a bit, through a very in depth interview process, a cog none of us here are privy to…thus the crap shoot

The shorts Olympics tells me so very little about a players potential in the NFL

All the way down to why don’t the guys run the 40 and cone drills in full uniforms???
Simply another marketing tool for the NFL rather than looking for meaningful numbers.
The NFL wants to be able to tout themselves as having the best athletes and wants low times and for you to see the guys faces…purely marketing
 
Fiji Mariner said:
I remember one time I said something similar about a guy with the last name Watt…I touted he’d be good not great, more of a 2nd-3rd round talent…boy am I glad how wrong I was!!!

Not saying your assessment is off base by any means, I haven’t seen too many of his games tbh

Just made me think back to what a dumbass I was with the Watt assessment, love when a player proves me wrong…

Come on Kenny- I said your ceiling was mid a true QB2 in the making, please please please make me eat crow

I love eating some bacon wrapped crow
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BEST kind crow. Cook the bare crow for about 15 minutes @ 400 degree air fryer. Then take it out and wrap in in two layer ULTRA thick PEPPERED BACON @ 400 degree for another 25-35 minutes (pending on crispness desired, I go 38min)————- of course gut & pick the crow before starting.

YOU won’t be disappointed !!!!



Salute the nation
 
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Isn't he 6'0" ?
 
MT~Forged said:
Too bad no one taught him to tackle properly. Watching Shazier play, I always said he was going to get hurt from his poor tackling form. I never expected him to get hurt that bad though.
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Same with Troy every tackle was a head first knife out of legs. He was lucky. Ryan was not.
 
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