Steelers have traded for Jalen Ramsey.

[Coryea]

I think he will from the word we are getting from OTA's and based on the moves they have made. I will be more worried if something happens to Rodgers and we have to play Mason or Howard, then I am afraid of an all too conservative offense. Even Cowher made things more conservative than his normal already conservative second half turtle ball when Ben was rookie.

Cowher wasn't that conservative with Ben as a rookie, he let him throw early often, they played NE(defending Super Bowl champ on a 21 game win streak) and Philly, both undefeated back to back weeks, and Ben threw 3 1st qtr TD's in those games. Just curious Cowher was 108-1-1 in his career with an 11 point second half lead, what's wrong with the way he called games in the 2nd half?

As for the 2DL defense, yes alot of teams use that, but that's not the point, the point is WHEN we use it. We use it on short yardage, we use it on goal line situations, we use it when teams are just gashing us in the run game like Baltimore and Philly did. 2021 vs Cleveland in the playoffs, Cleveland had one of the best Olines and best running games in the entire NFL, what does the Great Mike Tomlin do??? He trots out that dumb *** 2DL set vs that running game and gets embarrassed, Cleveland's 1st 4 offensive TD's came with us in a 2 DL set. Do you care to tell me how that worked in the playoffs vs Baltimore this past season, again a top running team with a great RB, great running QB, but hell that's no WHAT WE DO, why would we want more push up front? Oh yeah, WE DO WHAT WE DO, if it doesn't work it's lack of execution.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Yep. Our entire D philosphy and scheme need reworked. Third and one our ILBers drop 10 yards from the LOS at the snap of the ball. We consistantly just give teams first downs. As someone stated on here.....if a drive lastS 12 plays....Tomlin and who ever our DC is simply think that we now have 12 plays for a TO.

Then a few on here blame our offense for our defense being gassed at the end of games. Perhaps if we as a D create more 3 and out's they might help? Then of course, that would go directly against Tomlin's belief of limiting the opposing offense's number of drives per game. Which directly goes to keeping the score low.

Bring back the Blitzburgh on first downs.

Sure sometimes ya give up a 10-20 yard play, but frequently it yields a sack. If ya put a team behind the sticks to 2nd and long it greatly increases the chance of getting off the field.

This helps the D to staying fresh and keeps that hunter dog mentality a D needs.

I know it goes against every conservative bone in the Mike’s body who would prefer 12-15 chances at a turnover, death by multiple paper cuts and many chances at the turnover.

The D is stacked with blitz worthy LBs and DBs that should be able to succeed in press man. The pieces are there to become formidable, but will the much needed change in philosophy come?

If nothing else it’s a much more exciting brand of football and sets the mindset for the players to not just sit back and hope for a lucky bounce.

The 2DL sets also lead to a gassed Cam late in games, hopefully the new additions can alleviate some of this as well. Facing double teams all day wears on an old guy late in a game and late in a season…and it shows.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I would prefer Blackmon myself, because of his age. So that means, they'll be interested in Simmons, also because of his age lol

Blackmon fits the deep CF role well too.
He seems like a fit imho

 

[Drink IRON City]

At best, the “constant” can change that philosophy but only to a degree of his comfort. It will take more than one season.

Until the “constant”, whether coach or philosophy is changed………. Nothing will change….


My HOPE is still solid.!


Salute the nation

 

[topseed]

You're referencing two different posts. I didn't hit "quote", but I was replying to ALL the people saying we would just move Ramsey to FS. And they weren't talking about in the event of an injury

Of course you were...lol. But to whom are you referring? Who are ALL these people saying that the Steelers are bringing in Jalen Ramsey to exclusively play free safety? Show me just a couple of them. I'll wait. You're just so full of shlt.

In post that you just quoted, I admitted to correcting myself IN ANOTHER POST about his salary, but on "over the cap", his cap hit is $16m, and with the minkah dead money, the cap cost is a wash.

The cap cost for 2025 is not a wash until the final structural details come out. OTC and Spotrac are over $10 million apart in their estimations right now.

You keep putting words into the argument that were never there "chief". You've always been the top seeded prick on the board, good to see you keeping on with tradition

Actually I quoted YOUR words that YOU put into the argument.

There was nothing prickish at all in my first post replying to you. But you get all butthurt when I have the nerve to disagree with your opinion. Just like all those years ago when you were emphatically hanging on Tomlin's nutsack while defending him tooth and nail. At least you've come to your senses about something.

 

[Confluence]

Bring back the Blitzburgh

Fify

 

[insaniti]

Of course you were...lol. But to whom are you referring? Who are ALL these people saying that the Steelers are bringing in Jalen Ramsey to exclusively play free safety? Show me just a couple of them. I'll wait. You're just so full of shlt.

The cap cost for 2025 is not a wash until the final structural details come out. OTC and Spotrac are over $10 million apart in their estimations right now.

Actually I quoted YOUR words that YOU put into the argument.

There was nothing prickish at all in my first post replying to you. But you get all butthurt when I have the nerve to disagree with your opinion. Just like all those years ago when you were emphatically hanging on Tomlin's nutsack while defending him tooth and nail. At least you've come to your senses about something.

OK...lol This will be my last response to you...Because, for your enjoyment, I went looking for the comments about moving Ramsey to FS. There were several, from Slash, to Kentucky, even you yourself mentioned it (without the injury designation I might add), and I kept reading and reading...and there it was, black and white, my original post, which you responded to. In a perfect and calm, and even polite manner. Nothing wrong with the response at all, finished it off with a "we'll have to wait and see" ending. It was perfect. Fast forward FIVE pages, and you take a post I made, replying to someone else, and somehow attacked me as if I was replying to you...to be honest, I didn't even see your stand alone post until I went back and read this entire ******* thread.

So...we'll make this REALLY simple. I never attacked you or your opinion. You thought I was replying to you and I wasn't. You came at me pretty hard, and I returned the favor...the thing is, we only disagree on the numbers, and the ONLY reason we disagree on the numbers is because I'm going to OTC, and you are going to sport trac. That's it!

I simply wanted to know what their plan at FS is, and if Thornhill is THEIR GUY, it would be nice to have a real FS back-up as to not throw a wrinkle in the addition of Ramsey as the do it all CB. I don't want the addition of Ramsey to end up like Minkah (and for the record, I REALLY like Minkah and think the way he was aligned completely ruined him). When we first got Minkah we let him be himself, lined him up closer to the LOS and allowed his instinct to thrive. Ramsey is a great all around CB, throw him on the outside, inside, and let him be himself. Moving him to FS is playing against his natural ability and instinct. It's a waste of money (no matter how much it is) to trade for a player and then try to change them (my opinion).

Have a wonderful day.

 

[slashsteel]

There is still time to bring in a veteran free agent at safety. Like I said in a previous post, I like Thornhill when he is healthy but I don’t trust that calf injury. Those seem to just linger. If they brought in either Simmons or Julian Blackmon as rentals and shore up the depth there.

Simmons looks ready for the fork to get stuck in.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Fify

Definitely not opposed to other downs either, especially 3rd and long

But yes, all downs all game would be a beautiful thing!

Just particularly hate the death by a thousand paper cuts Swiss cheese D between the 20s

 

[Aussie_Steeler]

Of course you were...lol. But to whom are you referring? Who are ALL these people saying that the Steelers are bringing in Jalen Ramsey to exclusively play free safety? Show me just a couple of them. I'll wait. You're just so full of shlt.

The cap cost for 2025 is not a wash until the final structural details come out. OTC and Spotrac are over $10 million apart in their estimations right now.

Actually I quoted YOUR words that YOU put into the argument.

There was nothing prickish at all in my first post replying to you. But you get all butthurt when I have the nerve to disagree with your opinion. Just like all those years ago when you were emphatically hanging on Tomlin's nutsack while defending him tooth and nail. At least you've come to your senses about something.

I believe the cap hit for Steelers will be the $5m figure. The $16m one still has him as a Miami player, and includes amortised signing bonus of $6.7m and 2025 $4m roster bonus paid in March, both of which stay with Miami.

Most of the 2025 cash (about $18m) Steelers will be paying Ramsey is an option bonus which both cap sites have amortised over 5 years.

 

[topseed]

OK...lol This will be my last response to you...Because, for your enjoyment, I went looking for the comments about moving Ramsey to FS. There were several, from Slash, to Kentucky, even you yourself mentioned it (without the injury designation I might add), and I kept reading and reading...and there it was, black and white, my original post, which you responded to. In a perfect and calm, and even polite manner. Nothing wrong with the response at all, finished it off with a "we'll have to wait and see" ending. It was perfect. Fast forward FIVE pages, and you take a post I made, replying to someone else, and somehow attacked me as if I was replying to you...to be honest, I didn't even see your stand alone post until I went back and read this entire ******* thread.

Well, congratulations, you did manage to find ONE person in a 15-page thread who thinks they will immediately move Ramsey to safety: @slashsteel. After that, once again, more bullshit. @KentuckySteeler never said it, and I most certainly never said anything of the sort. What I said in response to @SteelerInLebanon's proposition about moving Porter to safety was that I would consider Trice instead, if they hadn't moved one of the veteran corners there first.

I didn't "attack" you. I responded to you calling the notion that the Steelers COULD move Ramsey to safety "laughable." Who knows, maybe you didn't want to quote @slashsteel directly and offend him by berating his opinion, but generalizing that statement and claiming it was held by many people is simply false. And I called you out on it, because there are many scenarios where Ramsey could (again, there's that word which you seem to have difficulty with) end up playing free safety for the Steelers.

So...we'll make this REALLY simple. I never attacked you or your opinion. You thought I was replying to you and I wasn't. You came at me pretty hard, and I returned the favor...the thing is, we only disagree on the numbers, and the ONLY reason we disagree on the numbers is because I'm going to OTC, and you are going to sport trac. That's it!

With the wording you used, your target audience was much wider than the ONE guy who actually has the opinion you chose to criticize as laughable. You've decided to insist that it was "ALL" these people. I've provided plenty of proof to the contrary.

I simply wanted to know what their plan at FS is, and if Thornhill is THEIR GUY, it would be nice to have a real FS back-up as to not throw a wrinkle in the addition of Ramsey as the do it all CB. I don't want the addition of Ramsey to end up like Minkah (and for the record, I REALLY like Minkah and think the way he was aligned completely ruined him). When we first got Minkah we let him be himself, lined him up closer to the LOS and allowed his instinct to thrive. Ramsey is a great all around CB, throw him on the outside, inside, and let him be himself. Moving him to FS is playing against his natural ability and instinct. It's a waste of money (no matter how much it is) to trade for a player and then try to change them (my opinion).

That's fine. I don't think they want to play him at safety this year, either, unless they're forced to do so because of injury. They still may bring in a free agent to fill that gap you're concerned with. But Ramsey played all over the field during his career at FSU, including free safety and slot corner, so safety is not against his natural instincts. He's just been best suited as a boundary CB with his current skillset. My point is that he has the capability to move to FS, and he's said in the past that he'd be willing to do so later in his career. Which to me makes him a much more versatile secondary piece now and down the road than Minkah ever could have been.

Have a wonderful day.

I will. You do the same.

 

[slashsteel]

Well, congratulations, you did manage to find ONE person in a 15-page thread who thinks they will immediately move Ramsey to safety: @slashsteel. After that, once again, more bullshit. @KentuckySteeler never said it, and I most certainly never said anything of the sort. What I said in response to @SteelerInLebanon's proposition about moving Porter to safety was that I would consider Trice instead, if they hadn't moved one of the veteran corners there first.

I didn't "attack" you. I responded to you calling the notion that the Steelers COULD move Ramsey to safety "laughable." Who knows, maybe you didn't want to quote @slashsteel directly and offend him by berating his opinion, but generalizing that statement and claiming it was held by many people is simply false. And I called you out on it, because there are many scenarios where Ramsey could (again, there's that word which you seem to have difficulty with) end up playing free safety for the Steelers.

With the wording you used, your target audience was much wider than the ONE guy who actually has the opinion you chose to criticize as laughable. You've decided to insist that it was "ALL" these people. I've provided plenty of proof to the contrary.

That's fine. I don't think they want to play him at safety this year, either, unless they're forced to do so because of injury. They still may bring in a free agent to fill that gap you're concerned with. But Ramsey played all over the field during his career at FSU, including free safety and slot corner, so safety is not against his natural instincts. He's just been best suited as a boundary CB with his current skillset. My point is that he has the capability to move to FS, and he's said in the past that he'd be willing to do so later in his career. Which to me makes him a much more versatile secondary piece now and down the road than Minkah ever could have been.

I will. You do the same.

I initially thought it was as a possibility that he would get moved but after thinking over his price tag and what positions are in need, I think he will be an inside corner unless they take the inside corner off in certain formations then I could see him rolling to S.

The flip scenario is Thornhill doesn’t work out at FS hence that move to S would be rushed.