Lol (in a sad manner)… I was typing when you posted this video and he brings up same issue with Dallas double standard.
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Lol (in a sad manner)… I was typing when you posted this video and he brings up same issue with Dallas double standard.
,,,and I'm honestly disappointed in my self that I didn't bail, back when Big Al was ostracized and made to apologize when his service history compelled him to stand alone, hand on heart, for the national anthem!!!
Where is his support to exercise his first amendment rights and express himself the way he chooses, based on his convictions???? B! F'ng S!
Where is his support to exercise his first amendment rights and express himself the way he chooses, based on his convictions???? B! F'ng S!
I get it Cope. You’re a good dude.
The point being though is you nor any of the board members here should feel guilty for being white.
We live in a country where opportunity is equal/presented for all.
I’ll admit. Whites tend to be more educated which is why they seem to have higher positions in the corporate world.
Instead of addressing white guilt, etc.
We need to focus on the plights that affect lower income communities.
Lack of family structure, education is the start.
2nd would be community programs. Tutoring services, extra curricular activities etc.
Problems are not due to people being white.
Problems are the lack of education which stems to frustration and anger
As a few have said there has to be a want. You can't fix the unwilling. Plus these extremist have no desire to fix anything they just want to keep the fire burning. A two fold problem .... A difficult fix.
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I'm not watching any games live. I am going to DVR Steeler games only so I can skip all the bullshit that doesn't have anything to do with football. And if during the game action, the unrelated bullshit is a distraction from football I will stop DVR'ing them and stop watching totally.
Education is definitely a factor that is not necessarily equal in opportunity, though it starts at home with the parents taking an interest and without that, there’s little that can be done to level that field.
M y brother is a math teacher for over 25 years. He began his career in a very low income neighborhood of Queens NY, though we lived/ grew up in a middle class suburb. He was so pleased when he got hired, thinking he’d change the world! He was demanding and diligent, making it a point to contact parents when students weren’t completing assignments/homework, especially if it translated to test scores. He sadly found a great number of parents were far less receptive to his notifications, were not interested in motivating their children and even had instances, after multiple notifications to same parents, where they requested he stop “bothering” them on the subject. It was quite disappointing, to him, to say the least and it resulted in him leaving NYC schools after only 3 years. He left to take a significantly higher paying position in the suburbs where he was met by parents, of diverse demographics though, that were more interested in taking a role in their children’s education. He’s received many awards over the years and even elevated to chair person of the math dept. in his district. To be fair that I’m not patting him on the back because he’s my brother, he’s chosen to estrange him self from our parents/family for some time, but he’s by all accounts a wonderful teacher/educator that quickly became frustrated by lack of parental support. There’s no fix for that other than on an individual level to be better! And it’s a shame that a less than ideal atmosphere will deter schools from having the very best teachers it could have had, but that’s a self inflicted gap in quality of educators.
M y brother is a math teacher for over 25 years. He began his career in a very low income neighborhood of Queens NY, though we lived/ grew up in a middle class suburb. He was so pleased when he got hired, thinking he’d change the world! He was demanding and diligent, making it a point to contact parents when students weren’t completing assignments/homework, especially if it translated to test scores. He sadly found a great number of parents were far less receptive to his notifications, were not interested in motivating their children and even had instances, after multiple notifications to same parents, where they requested he stop “bothering” them on the subject. It was quite disappointing, to him, to say the least and it resulted in him leaving NYC schools after only 3 years. He left to take a significantly higher paying position in the suburbs where he was met by parents, of diverse demographics though, that were more interested in taking a role in their children’s education. He’s received many awards over the years and even elevated to chair person of the math dept. in his district. To be fair that I’m not patting him on the back because he’s my brother, he’s chosen to estrange him self from our parents/family for some time, but he’s by all accounts a wonderful teacher/educator that quickly became frustrated by lack of parental support. There’s no fix for that other than on an individual level to be better! And it’s a shame that a less than ideal atmosphere will deter schools from having the very best teachers it could have had, but that’s a self inflicted gap in quality of educators.
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This will be my approach completely.
I think I am mostly on the same page except the highlighted portion. Knowing there is free education for all. Unless you are simply talking about them not on a equal plane due to parents being pieces of ****. Then I completely agree with you. These black males that sperm donor need to step up to the plate.
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Also a huge problem is how they are ridiculed and ostracized by their peers for trying to better themselves through education.
I experienced the same world they have. I understand everyone's plight. Every colors plight. There is no color that has a more difficult plight than the other.
Individuals? sure.
Every race in America is on an equal battle field outside of the house.
I understand every color has the same opportunity to excel in America.
The problematic areas are where black on black crimes exist and black on white crime exist at a high volume,
are you understanding their plight?
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Then why would you promote a book that does just that?
"Since systemic racism is something a lot of people here are unwilling to educate themselves about the other side of the argument, it brings up a perfect opportunity to discuss White Fragility:
"White people in North America live in a society that is deeply separate and unequal by race, and white people are the beneficiaries of that separation and inequality. As a result, we are insulated from racial stress, at the same time that we come to feel entitled to and deserving of our advantage. Given how seldom we experience racial discomfort in a society we dominate, we haven’t had to build our racial stamina. Socialized into a deeply internalized sense of superiority that we either are unaware of or can never admit to ourselves, we become highly fragile in conversations about race. We consider a challenge to our racial worldviews as a challenge to our very identities as good, moral people. Thus, we perceive any attempt to connect us to the system of racism as an unsettling and unfair moral offense. The smallest amount of racial stress is intolerable—the mere suggestion that being white has meaning often triggers a range of defensive responses. These include emotions such as anger, fear, and guilt and behaviors such as argumentation, silence, and withdrawal from the stress-inducing situation. These responses work to reinstate white equilibrium as they repel the challenge, return our racial comfort, and maintain our dominance within the racial hierarchy. I conceptualize this process as white fragility."
If you choose to want to learn more, the book can be downloaded here, for free:"
https://steelernationforums.com/showthread.php?34849-What-is-White-Fragility
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The BLM mission statement vows to destroy the nuclear family. Yep. They are AGAINST 2 parent households. BLM the political group is not what people think they are. They are VERY well funded. They used to be known as Occupy Wall Street, but when that ran out of steam, they were re-branded.
I wonder how many people sending money to support BLM are aware, that they think 2 parent homes are a bad thing. That their founders have publicly stated they are "trained Marxists" trying to bring down America.
Said that back on page 2 or so.
I think MTC is making the point of why do they have to experience things differently from you and me? If all the effort being exerted on kneeling, anthems, protests, being "woke", where put to use with a campaign of the importance of education, family involvement, personal responsibility, they just might surprise themselves. Accusing this country of oppression, when opportunities are there for the taking, is nothing but divisive. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I'm beginning to think this was the plan all along.
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I hope not as I never go there and this is great insight.
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Exactly.
The resources are there for them to not feel so oppressed.
The government resources, etc. I don’t like to see places turn into Detroit, Chicago, Compton.
Those places lack the proper authority figured who instill that discipline to get over the hurdle that plagues them. That all starts at the education and home level where there is lack of structure.
I grew up in a poor part of town. Luckily as my generation in that area got older the majority started taking pride in the updated resources.
Like Slash said. They have to want it or maybe even realize those opportunities are provided. They get too emotional hurting themselves when they feel victimized
The nba and nfl can be platforms to help these kids.
I’m sure a lot of these athletes pour some resources into their places.
Start reporting those efforts and not the kaepernick like efforts. The nfl can and should acknowledge that
I’m sure a lot of these athletes pour some resources into their places.
Start reporting those efforts and not the kaepernick like efforts. The nfl can and should acknowledge that
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This is not a money issue. It's a cultural issue. The U.S. has spent TRILLIONS of dollars in low income neighborhoods. The problem is the family structure or lack thereof. The culture is what is keeping them down. I see it every day because I teach in a mostly minority school system. Only a handful out of hundreds of students have 2 parents at home. A lot of them live with grand mothers, aunts, nieces, nephews ETC.. If a student is performing poorly I can never get in touch with anyone to do anything about it. Blacks that are doing well get made fun of by other blacks.
So what can be done? If blacks want to do better then get married and raise your family. Push education and don't worry about what someone else says about you. All the issues I see are black on black issues. They have nothing to do with white America at all. We can't stop blacks from killing blacks. We can't even stop blacks from killing whites at an 80% rate. I can't make them stop having 5 baby daddies before they are 30 years old. I know one guy that has 8 kids by 6 different women. You think when I call him or the baby mommas I'm going to get any help? That's the problem right now.
So what can be done? If blacks want to do better then get married and raise your family. Push education and don't worry about what someone else says about you. All the issues I see are black on black issues. They have nothing to do with white America at all. We can't stop blacks from killing blacks. We can't even stop blacks from killing whites at an 80% rate. I can't make them stop having 5 baby daddies before they are 30 years old. I know one guy that has 8 kids by 6 different women. You think when I call him or the baby mommas I'm going to get any help? That's the problem right now.
To the NFL and its players.
If I have brain cancer, I don’t ask my dentist what I should do. If my car has a problem, I don’t seek help from a plumber! Why do you think the public cares what a football player thinks about politics? If we want to know about football, then depending on the information we seek, we might consult with you, but even a quarterback doesn’t seek advice on playing his position from a defensive tackle!
You seem to have this over inflated view of yourselves, thinking because you enjoy working on such a large scale stage, that somehow your opinion about everything matters. The NFL realizes the importance of its “image” so it has rules that specify the clothes and insignia you can wear, the language you use, and your “antics” after a touchdown or other “great” play. But somehow you and your employer don’t seem to care that you disgrace the entire nation and its 320 million people in the eyes of the world by publicly disrespecting this country, its flag, and its anthem! The taxpaying citizens of this country subsidize your plush work environments, yet you choose to use those venues to openly offend those very citizens.
Do you even understand what the flag of this country means to so many of its citizens before you choose to “take a knee” in protest of this “country" during our national anthem?
You may think because you are paid so much that your job is tough, but you are clueless when it comes to tough. Let me show you those whose job is really tough.
You are spoiled babies who stand around and have staff squirt GatorAid in your mouths, sit in front of misting cooling fans when it’s warm, and sit on heated benches when it's cold. That’s not “tough” that's pampered.
You think that you deserve to be paid excessively high salaries, because you play a “dangerous" game where you can incur career ending injuries. Let me show you career ending injuries!
You think you that you deserve immediate medical attention and the best medical facilities and doctors when injured. Let me show you what it’s like for those who really need and deserve medical attention.
You think you have the right to disrespect the flag of the United States, the one our veterans fought for, risked limbs and mental stability to defend, in many cases died for. Let me show you what our flag means to them, their families, and their friends.
You believe you are our heroes, when in reality you are nothing but overpaid entertainers, who exist solely for our enjoyment! Well, your current antics are neither entertaining nor enjoyable, but rather a disgrace to this country, its citizens, all our veterans and their families, and the sacrifices they have made to ensure this country remains free. You choose to openly disgrace this country in the eyes of the rest of the world, yet with all your money, still choose to live here rather than in any other country. People with even the slightest amount of “Class” will stand and respect our flag. Where does that put you?
You can protest policies, the current government, or anything else you choose, that is your right. But when you “protest” our flag and anthem, you are insulting the nation we all live in and love, and all those who have served, been injured, or died to keep it free. There is nothing you can do or say that can make your actions anything more than the arrogance of classless people, who care about themselves more than our country or the freedoms for which our veterans and their families have sacrificed so much, to ensure you have the “right” to speak freely. Our country is far from perfect, but if you can point to any other country where your freedom and opportunities are better than they are here, then you just might want to go there and show respect for their flag!
If I have brain cancer, I don’t ask my dentist what I should do. If my car has a problem, I don’t seek help from a plumber! Why do you think the public cares what a football player thinks about politics? If we want to know about football, then depending on the information we seek, we might consult with you, but even a quarterback doesn’t seek advice on playing his position from a defensive tackle!
You seem to have this over inflated view of yourselves, thinking because you enjoy working on such a large scale stage, that somehow your opinion about everything matters. The NFL realizes the importance of its “image” so it has rules that specify the clothes and insignia you can wear, the language you use, and your “antics” after a touchdown or other “great” play. But somehow you and your employer don’t seem to care that you disgrace the entire nation and its 320 million people in the eyes of the world by publicly disrespecting this country, its flag, and its anthem! The taxpaying citizens of this country subsidize your plush work environments, yet you choose to use those venues to openly offend those very citizens.
Do you even understand what the flag of this country means to so many of its citizens before you choose to “take a knee” in protest of this “country" during our national anthem?
You may think because you are paid so much that your job is tough, but you are clueless when it comes to tough. Let me show you those whose job is really tough.
You are spoiled babies who stand around and have staff squirt GatorAid in your mouths, sit in front of misting cooling fans when it’s warm, and sit on heated benches when it's cold. That’s not “tough” that's pampered.
You think that you deserve to be paid excessively high salaries, because you play a “dangerous" game where you can incur career ending injuries. Let me show you career ending injuries!
You think you that you deserve immediate medical attention and the best medical facilities and doctors when injured. Let me show you what it’s like for those who really need and deserve medical attention.
You think you have the right to disrespect the flag of the United States, the one our veterans fought for, risked limbs and mental stability to defend, in many cases died for. Let me show you what our flag means to them, their families, and their friends.
You believe you are our heroes, when in reality you are nothing but overpaid entertainers, who exist solely for our enjoyment! Well, your current antics are neither entertaining nor enjoyable, but rather a disgrace to this country, its citizens, all our veterans and their families, and the sacrifices they have made to ensure this country remains free. You choose to openly disgrace this country in the eyes of the rest of the world, yet with all your money, still choose to live here rather than in any other country. People with even the slightest amount of “Class” will stand and respect our flag. Where does that put you?
You can protest policies, the current government, or anything else you choose, that is your right. But when you “protest” our flag and anthem, you are insulting the nation we all live in and love, and all those who have served, been injured, or died to keep it free. There is nothing you can do or say that can make your actions anything more than the arrogance of classless people, who care about themselves more than our country or the freedoms for which our veterans and their families have sacrificed so much, to ensure you have the “right” to speak freely. Our country is far from perfect, but if you can point to any other country where your freedom and opportunities are better than they are here, then you just might want to go there and show respect for their flag!
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Here's a take
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I believe bullshit was called because Kaepernick's original protesting actions involved him SITTING ON THE BENCH, not kneeling in any type of "prayer." In fact, his crusade went completely unnoticed during two preseason games, before a photo of him SITTING ON THE BENCH surfaced after the third game.
Somebody must have told the guy that kneeling would carry more weight, so instead of continuing to SIT ON THE BENCH, he started kneeling. Leading guys like you to draw a false association to prayer.
I've wondered this myself. Who came up with the idea? Is it truly necessary?
The NFL has determined that two anthems are better than one, although the divisive hypocrisy involved with that move makes little sense to me. My dad (a lifelong Steelers fan, and another guy who is close to deciding not to bother with the NFL at all anymore) has suggested a simpler solution:
DON'T PLAY THE NATIONAL ANTHEM BEFORE THE GAME.
No political statements. Nobody ******** on the flag or those who served our country. Nobody focusing on who took a knee and who didn't. No bullshit.
Introduce the teams, kick the ball off, and let the performers do what they're paid to do: Play the ******* game.
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When they play some other anthem before the AMERICAN National Anthem, then kneel for the real deal. I'll be done and will never look back. Big time deal breaker.
Hopefully they'll survive with fantasy football fans and ******* soy boys. Won't care.