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Steelers Organization Will Support Players Who Kneel

I've wondered this myself. Who came up with the idea? Is it truly necessary?

The NFL has determined that two anthems are better than one, although the divisive hypocrisy involved with that move makes little sense to me. My dad (a lifelong Steelers fan, and another guy who is close to deciding not to bother with the NFL at all anymore) has suggested a simpler solution:

DON'T PLAY THE NATIONAL ANTHEM BEFORE THE GAME.

No political statements. Nobody ******** on the flag or those who served our country. Nobody focusing on who took a knee and who didn't. No bullshit.

Introduce the teams, kick the ball off, and let the performers do what they're paid to do: Play the ******* game.

Here is an article on why it's played...https://www.npr.org/2018/09/06/644991357/how-sports-met-the-star-spangled-banner

The 1918 World Series was not the first series to feature the anthem, but it was one of the most memorable. Babe Ruth played for Boston then, and the Red Sox were in Chicago taking on the Cubs for the championship. The crowd was flat: The Cubs weren't playing well, the weather was crummy — and, at a much more significant level, World War I still raged.

During the seventh-inning stretch, the band struck up the anthem. "And one of the players on the field, who's in the Navy, just sort of snaps to attention," Clague says.

"I even read some accounts where players marched military-style with their bats over their shoulders," says researcher Sheryl Kaskowitz, author of the book God Bless America: The Surprising History of an Iconic Song. "It really was seen as an important acknowledgment of the war."

According to Clague, "the crowd responded [to the anthem]. It gets written up in the newspaper as this amazing moment that brings the stadium back to life at a time of despair, both sporting-wise and for the country. And the legend is, that inspires 'The Star-Spangled Banner' to be played at the next game and then back in Boston and then returns to Chicago. And becomes the thing from then on out."

Twenty years on from that World Series moment, the song was a regular occurrence — not just in baseball, but at hockey and football games as well. Its spread was helped along in the 1920s by the increased use of public address systems, and fueled by surging patriotism in the run-up to the U.S. entering World War II.

I am generally not a fan of involving causes at NFL games and would be just fine if they didn't have all of the uniforms and gear for Breast Cancer Awareness month/Military support. There is just so much out there that singling out a few causes is something I'd rather them not do. Probably the best thing the NFL has done is the My Cause My Cleats as it's something that goes relatively unnoticed and helps players raise money (and maybe some awareness) for a cause of their choice. For reference too, I could also do without Color Rush and throwback jerseys as well.
 
When they play some other anthem before the AMERICAN National Anthem, then kneel for the real deal. I'll be done and will never look back. Big time deal breaker.

Hopefully they'll survive with fantasy football fans and ******* soy boys. Won't care.


They can't survive with just fantasy fans. You can play fantasy football just by watching scoreboards and not any actual games. It takes actual fans of the sport to watch all the games.

There are professional fantasy players who are just crunching numbers. They need the data, not the games.

It is odd to me that the NFL is seemingly kicking their most loyal base in the balls while trying to appeal to a group that will never watch anyway.
 
They can't survive with just fantasy fans. You can play fantasy football just by watching scoreboards and not any actual games. It takes actual fans of the sport to watch all the games.

There are professional fantasy players who are just crunching numbers. They need the data, not the games.

It is odd to me that the NFL is seemingly kicking their most loyal base in the balls while trying to appeal to a group that will never watch anyway.
I think they are short term appeasing their players and then thinking like some on this board even think that all the loyal fans will gut it out regardless.

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I think they are short term appeasing their players and then thinking like some on this board even think that all the loyal fans will gut it out regardless.

I don't know how this is going to turn out but as I see it now, the NFL is ******* up big time by promoting this disrespect. I can't figure out how this benefits them at any level. Who is advising their policies and why wasn't this stopped when it first started? It's too late now to put a stop to the carnage and they still don't see it.



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I don't know how this is going to turn out but as I see it now, the NFL is ******* up big time by promoting this disrespect. I can't figure out how this benefits them at any level. Who is advising their policies and why wasn't this stopped when it first started? It's too late now to put a stop to the carnage and they still don't see it.



It isn't safe even at work their agenda is pushed at every angle to go with TV,movies,politics,sports, yeah they need that few minutes of air time as if the rest isn't enough. And if we have an open opinion with our name attached we could easily lose our job. If this isn't communism I don't k now what is.
 
Here is an article on why it's played...https://www.npr.org/2018/09/06/644991357/how-sports-met-the-star-spangled-banner

I am generally not a fan of involving causes at NFL games and would be just fine if they didn't have all of the uniforms and gear for Breast Cancer Awareness month/Military support. There is just so much out there that singling out a few causes is something I'd rather them not do. Probably the best thing the NFL has done is the My Cause My Cleats as it's something that goes relatively unnoticed and helps players raise money (and maybe some awareness) for a cause of their choice. For reference too, I could also do without Color Rush and throwback jerseys as well.

Thanks for the info.

Doesn't seem as relevant now, though, does it? Back then using the anthem began as an organic fuel for unified patriotism, showing support for the country's war effort. Today it's showcased as a divisive political tool, pushed by those with a much more narrow agenda.
 
When they play some other anthem before the AMERICAN National Anthem, then kneel for the real deal. I'll be done and will never look back. Big time deal breaker.

Hopefully they'll survive with fantasy football fans and ******* soy boys. Won't care.

You'll have to change your username, then.
 
Thanks for the info.

Doesn't seem as relevant now, though, does it? Back then using the anthem began as an organic fuel for unified patriotism, showing support for the country's war effort. Today it's showcased as a divisive political tool, pushed by those with a much more narrow agenda.

I agree it has become a divisive political tool, which is actually pretty awful to think about.
 
I believe bullshit was called because Kaepernick's original protesting actions involved him SITTING ON THE BENCH, not kneeling in any type of "prayer." In fact, his crusade went completely unnoticed during two preseason games, before a photo of him SITTING ON THE BENCH surfaced after the third game.

Somebody must have told the guy that kneeling would carry more weight, so instead of continuing to SIT ON THE BENCH, he started kneeling. Leading guys like you to draw a false association to prayer.

You can't sit and pray? My catholic upbringing would beg to differ.

No one seemed to notice anyway until he knelt to pray.
 
The NFL is the biggest Hippocrates , they want all the military, first responders police to hold the flag and their employees these players piss on it. If they want to prove how big they are how about walk off the field take your uniform off and go out in the world you hate so much and do something. More and more each day I hope they don't play one down this year and if they do fans walk away. Did any of us ever think the day would come when you despised the culture of the NFL.
 
You can't sit and pray? My catholic upbringing would beg to differ.

No one seemed to notice anyway until he knelt to pray.



Raised catholic as well but not currently. Everybody talks about his praying but do we even know if he was actually praying or not??? For sure, either way is his choice.


EDIT: His choice to pray sitting or kneeling or NOT praying at all

Salute the nation
 
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Raised catholic as well but not currently. Everybody talks about his praying but do we even know if he was actually praying or not??? For sure, either way is his choice.




Salute the nation

They can push their agenda on their time.
 
You can't sit and pray? My catholic upbringing would beg to differ.

No one seemed to notice anyway until he knelt to pray.

Of course, that must be it!


I completely forgot that one can only kneel and pray at no other time than during the national anthem.


Thanks for setting us all straight.
 
You can't sit and pray? My catholic upbringing would beg to differ.

No one seemed to notice anyway until he knelt to pray.

LOL.

My grandmother, also a devout Catholic, dragged me to more than my fair share of church services when I was a kid. I guess they installed those kneeling pads just for the fun of it.

Yeah man, you can pray on your knees, sitting down, or standing up while cranking your carrot in the shower -- it all does the same amount of good.

Actually, as has already been explained, Kaepernick was noticed while he was still sitting, and it turns out (as I suspected and previously mentioned) that he was indeed told by someone else to start kneeling instead. From the Chicago Tribune:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/spor...607-b5gigmlp7jf53itj7d6xxdvgo4-list.htmlColin Kaepernick

Timeline of the QB’s football and post-NFL days since he first knelt in 2016

Colin Kaepernick was a second-round draft pick in 2011. The next year he led the San Francisco 49ers to the Super Bowl. By 2016, he had begun kneeling on the sideline at games during the national anthem to protest social injustice and police brutality.

Soon after, he was gone from the NFL, and he has not played since. Here's a timeline of Kaepernick's pro football and post-NFL days since he first kneeled during "The Star-Spangled Banner."

Aug. 26, 2016
During the anthem before a Packers-49ers preseason game, Kaepernick sits on the San Francisco bench. Kaepernick says he sat because the country “oppresses black people and people of color.” His action does not attract immediate national attention. He mentions that he had earlier not stood for the anthem.

Aug. 27, 2016
Kaepernick’s sitdown begins drawing headlines. Some condemn him for dishonoring the flag and country. Others applaud his motives. The NFL says players are encouraged but not required to stand for the anthem.

Aug. 30, 2016
Former NFL player and ex-Green Beret Nate Boyer suggests to Kaepernick to kneel rather than sit during the anthem.

Sept. 1, 2016
Kaepernick kneels before a road game against the Chargers and says he will donate $1 million to organizations supporting his aims.
 
May not agree with it. As you stand for the men and women who fought and bravely did so and even sacrificed so that we may live. It is called agree to disagree.
 
May not agree with it. As you stand for the men and women who fought and bravely did so and even sacrificed so that we may live. It is called agree to disagree.
For whatever concocted agenda they come up with, nothing beats this reasoning to stand. They can try to justify kneeling in their mind but nothing beats this reasoning to stand. They try to force their will upon us but nothing will detour me. I will continue to honor those who lost their lives in the name of freedom. I will take this stance even if I am the only one in a crowded room. I will honor the fallen until my last dying breath as they ceased to breathe so that we could breathe free.

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The real question is "will the fans support the Pittsburgh Steelers if players kneel?"

I mean, if they stand during "Lift Every Voice" and then kneel for the flag and Star Spangled Banner?

I will say this, the liberals are mocking the idea that you will give up watching the team over this. They're banking that you will find a way to compartmentalize and still support the team because you are hooked on the drug as we all have been at some points in our lives.

If the Steelers players kneel for the anthem, it's a personal decision to continue watching and everyone has the freedom to make an individual decision. But at some point, my hope is that the NFL will receive a hard wake up call and the public will not support the optics of kneeling for the anthem.

They're worried about a few people being offended over the Redskins logo, and could seemingly care less about the sensibilities of patriotic Americans. They figure they'll have your brand loyalty no matter what. They'd rather not offend a small mob.

Not to mention the case of Drew Brees and Desean Jackson by comparison.

The lines are drawn.
 
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Here is an article on why it's played...https://www.npr.org/2018/09/06/644991357/how-sports-met-the-star-spangled-banner



I am generally not a fan of involving causes at NFL games and would be just fine if they didn't have all of the uniforms and gear for Breast Cancer Awareness month/Military support. There is just so much out there that singling out a few causes is something I'd rather them not do. Probably the best thing the NFL has done is the My Cause My Cleats as it's something that goes relatively unnoticed and helps players raise money (and maybe some awareness) for a cause of their choice. For reference too, I could also do without Color Rush and throwback jerseys as well.

The fact that we are even questioning WHY we play OUR OWN national anthem before games is ridiculous and disturbing.
We live in AMERICA people; that's why we play the national anthem.
WTH is wrong with people?
 
The fact that we are even questioning WHY we play OUR OWN national anthem before games is ridiculous and disturbing.
We live in AMERICA people; that's why we play the national anthem.
WTH is wrong with people?

While I can only speak for myself, but if the above scenario occurs, I can guarantee you I will find better use of my time. And this from a fan since 1965.
 
The fact that we are even questioning WHY we play OUR OWN national anthem before games is ridiculous and disturbing.
We live in AMERICA people; that's why we play the national anthem.
WTH is wrong with people?

I have no problem with the anthem being played at sporting events, but now that it's become some pawn in a divisive political game, what's the point?

What's ridiculous and disturbing about it? Is it absolutely necessary? You can count on your hands how many NFL players have served in the military over the last 30+ years -- what does professional football have to do with honoring the country?

Play it at the college games for the service academies...they're the guys who will be sacrificing themselves for your freedoms.
 
The real question is "will the fans support the Pittsburgh Steelers if players kneel?"

I mean, if they stand during "Lift Every Voice" and then kneel for the flag and Star Spangled Banner?

I will say this, the liberals are mocking the idea that you will give up watching the team over this. They're banking that you will find a way to compartmentalize and still support the team because you are hooked on the drug as we all have been at some points in our lives.

If the Steelers players kneel for the anthem, it's a personal decision to continue watching and everyone has the freedom to make an individual decision. But at some point, my hope is that the NFL will receive a hard wake up call and the public will not support the optics of kneeling for the anthem.

They're worried about a few people being offended over the Redskins logo, and could seemingly care less about the sensibilities of patriotic Americans. They figure they'll have your brand loyalty no matter what. They'd rather not offend a small mob.

Not to mention the case of Drew Brees and Desean Jackson by comparison.

The lines are drawn.

IF this happens, and it probably will, then I am done with the NFL and football in general. I have plenty of other things I can do with my family instead of being brainwashed by the tv. I have defended the players right to kneel because thats what freedom is. But I'm not going over the cliff with the rest of the woke mob.
 
IF this happens, and it probably will, then I am done with the NFL and football in general. I have plenty of other things I can do with my family instead of being brainwashed by the tv. I have defended the players right to kneel because thats what freedom is. But I'm not going over the cliff with the rest of the woke mob.

We bought the house next to ol girls parents. Like me the father is a vet, the mother we are watching after as she has bone cancer. Most know I hate to talk politics...loathe politics... probably the only reason is because it so strongly spilled over into my life one way or another. But naturally I don't talk politics with ol girls mom and dad.

I was outside doing some yard things when I saw him. He says," I am done with the NFL". Acting like I am oblivious I said why? He says because they want us to stand for the black anthem but it is ok to kneel for the whole countries anthem. I am done". I didn't feed into the convo because I won't. I try to keep the peace between households. But if he is saying it, you are saying it, how many other silent game watchers are saying it? Sure it will be difficult for a powerhouse like the NFL to fold but people shouldn't be naive in thinking their wallets won't take hits. I still say there was a reason they only mentioned doing it for one game. The NFL feels they won't lose a lot of people doing it that way. They know an impact long term would be felt with any longer duration. I think they might be surprised that even a one game showing might clear out more fans than they are banking on.

My approach hasn't changed I will prerecord and fast forward to the game. If the game talks about any agenda besides football I will turn it off. Next week rinse repeat. I don't know what the breaking point would be but I can't say it is a long leash. I watch the Steelers for my football passion away from the world setting fire to themselves. If you invade that space during the game, I take the leash off and roam elsewhere. Some might be surprised that others won't have as long as a leash as this. Perhaps a lot of casual watchers not diehard fanatics will jump ship game one if they haven't already. Ditto with some other fanatics..

As I said before there is a reason this thread hasn't went to pasture, there is a significant amount of people who are tired of the agenda driven bullshit.

Go ahead NFL try us some more.
 
I am spitballing and pasta throwing a little bit here, but my guess is the NFL's target with all this is young audiences, not the old established fan. They are catering to the next generation of fans to lock up revenue for the next 30 years. The older fans like many of us...they are counting that the losses they get through this will be offset by the new adds they get from the young crowd. Alas, i don't think teens and twenties right now are ever going to get hooked on football if htey are not already.
 
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