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Steelers select Dri Archer in Round 3

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Hineswardkickedurpanzyass said:
But if we let it go then how will this thread ever hit 250 pages? And I agree with Del, except I hope this pick does NOT work out. That way we stop wasting picks on players that are not at the core of how you get better. Of course if Dri breaks off a 82 yd punt return in week 1 I will not complain.
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Ok is it just me but does this make sense. What are the core players? Is it certain positions? Isnt getting good players the key to having a good core? Not calling Archer a good player he has a long way to go. We have invested heavily in the trenches. Now its time to see if they can play. Everyone wants instant sucess from these guys which rarely happens.
 
We care because not only were we told our opinion was wrong but our football intelligence was questioned because we saw some things in the young man. Not only our football intelligence our intelligence period was questioned. We were told over and over again because certain people who saw Archer as NOTHING but a wasted pick that we should shut up already because they have spoken. And now the kid is doing some of the very things those guys said he couldnt when playing against the big boys.
 
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antdrewjosh said:
We care because not only were told we our opinion was wrong but our football intelligence was questioned because we saw some things in the young man. Not only our football intelligence our intelligence period was questioned. We were told over and over again because certain people who saw Archer as NOTHING but a wasted pick that we should shut up already because they have spoken. And now the kid is doing some of the very things those guys said he couldnt when playing against the big boys.
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That's gonna leave a mark...
 
antdrewjosh said:
We care because not only were told we our opinion was wrong but our football intelligence was questioned because we saw some things in the young man. Not only our football intelligence our intelligence period was questioned. We were told over and over again because certain people who saw Archer as NOTHING but a wasted pick that we should shut up already because they have spoken. And now the kid is doing some of the very things those guys said he couldnt when playing against the big boys.
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No no no, you've got it all wrong. If the kid fails, we'll see it in every thread, every post here, and that's ok, because that's "Holding the gm accountable" that's "being honest about your team" thats "Not waiving the pom poms". That is how TRUE honest Steeler fans behave. Waiting for the failure of a pick, then rubbing it in the face of any and all who dared to say he might not be a wasted pick.

Now, if he does well, we're just supposed to pretend we were never told how stupid we were for watching the highlights and thinking he might do pretty well in the nfl. We're supposed to just forget all that, because, they were just being honest and smartly critical of the pick. How were they do know he would actually do ok (if he does). So, even though we were all mocked for daring to hope the kid hand a chance, we're supposed to just shut the **** up if he does do ok.

And if he falls flat on his face, no doubt, we're also supposed to read thread after thread about how right all those people were after all.

It's strange how people are always ready to tell you again, and again, and again how right they were, but so very reluctant to hear even once, how wrong they might be.

Joe
 
And for ***** sake, if you don't want this thread to go on, stop posting in it. I don't mind it, so I'll be here, but truly, the people coming in here and ******* pissing and moaning about the length of the thread they chose to click on, I mean, ****, really?

Joe
 
If it wasn't for this thread, Steeler Nation.com would have been really ******* boring this summer. I can only put up with links to Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page all day and "twitter" updates from camp. And before that it was flat dead around here.

I don't mind the length of this thread at all. I think I've posted 5-6 times. Every month or two, I'll write again what I've written before and reiterate my position.

The value of Archer is not going to be decided in preseason or by week 1 or even by year 1. I mostly look at the value of players on AV (profootballreference) and how much they get with their 2nd contracts. The 2nd contract tells me a LOT because that normally is based on some sort of open market system (even if you sign a player early you are hedging your bets against open market value forces).

We have a LONG way to go on Archer so maybe this thread will be 250 or 500 if we keep regurgitating it by spring 2018 when his rookie contract expires (unless he's out of the league by then).

I could care less about splash plays. I'd actually love to see Archer turn into our #2 RB. Turn him into Jamaal Charles of 2009-2010.

That's a HUGE change though with where I thought we are going with the pass game and Le'veon Bell's usage. I mean, that's 200 carries for Archer and 240 carries for Bell. That's a predominantly running offense. That's using Will Johnson as a "hybrid FB" quite a bit (bump his snap counts up). I also think that will take improved run blocking from our line and better, consistent execution.

It's an interesting "what if" scenario to me. After watching more film of Archer, it's what I WANT to happen to get the most value out of the player.

I just think it's very different than some here that want more Ben Roethlisberger, more shotgun, more no huddle. I am not sure you can have your cake and eat it too with Archer as a very part-time player.
 
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...8/13/5998355/steelers-training-camp-august-12

Oh, and did we mention Dri Archer? Archer wasn't part of that particular drill—he was running with the receivers at the time. However, it's clear that Archer has that "it" factor. Or, translated to PG language, an "Oh, crap!" factor. Rather like the Giants' defense must have been saying after that simple little screen pass last Saturday night.

One play exemplifies the potential Dri Archer brings to the Steelers. The offense is in the red zone, operating against the defensive backs. Archer goes out into the flat. Ben turns to Archer and cocks his arm. Every person in gold goes "oh, crap!" This is not a circumstance where you say "Well, if he catches the ball, we'll just mosey on over there and bring him down." The entire defense musters itself to address the threat that is Dri Archer.

Now here's the thing. Ben, as he is has the knack to do, simply pumps the ball in the direction of Archer, and then throws it to a ball boy or some such who slipped coverage, because the person assigned to cover him froze when he thought the ball was going to Archer. Said ball boy waltzes into the end zone, unimpeded, while the defense asked itself what just happened.

(Note from Rebecca: The big difference between the way Todd Haley is going to be able to use Archer and the way the team used Chris Rainey is, Archer can be on the field for every play if they like. When Rainey came on the field, the defense knew, as clearly as if they were looking at the playbook, what was about to happen, and as a result, nothing did...)
 
Best stat I saw, Steelers have had 7 receptions of 40 yards or more by RBs since 1998. Archer has TWO in two preseason games.
 
He should've scored twice on that catch tonight. It was the second half of a preseason game against scrubs and he got caught in the open field like a *****. CUT HIM.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Best stat I saw, Steelers have had 7 receptions of 40 yards or more by RBs since 1998. Archer has TWO in two preseason games.
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With many more to come! Thank God Archer was still on the board at the end of the third round, it's a minor miracle we were able to land him.
 
deljzc said:
I could care less about splash plays.
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Eh, I agree with the point Dobs made in this thread (probably 94 pages ago)...splash plays that flip the field can make the difference between 8-8 and 10-6. I guess there's no room in your calculation for little things like that though...
 
Steelerfan said:
Can we please stop the boo-hooing over people who have left the board. Chances are they'll be back anyway.
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Amen! All this whining is pretty revolting. Let's make some offerings to the football gods that our dear TMC - that guy who watches every Gamecock game but couldn't see that Alshon Jeffrey was going to be a stud - will return! Anyone notice that it was TMC's boy Kou who got beat for the game-winning sack / fumble play last night?
 
Zack_of_Steel said:
He should've scored twice on that catch tonight. It was the second half of a preseason game against scrubs and he got caught in the open field like a *****. CUT HIM.
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Can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not, so I'll assume you were.

That said, if Lance Moore makes the block he needed to, he does score on that play. Lance was the anti-Hines as a WR on that play.
 
SteelerAl said:
Amen! All this whining is pretty revolting. Let's make some offerings to the football gods that our dear TMC - that guy who watches every Gamecock game but couldn't see that Alshon Jeffrey was going to be a stud - will return! Anyone notice that it was TMC's boy Kou who got beat for the game-winning sack / fumble play last night?
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not that TMC couldnt defend himself if he were here, but he did state plenty of times that Jeffrey was going to be a stud. Gushed over him more than once. He also liked Kou and would state that there is a reason Kou didn't go in the first...and TMC was there to state that he'd have not taken Kou in the first or second, but that there was a reason the guy had a 3rd round tag on him.
 
Superman said:
not that TMC couldnt defend himself if he were here, but he did state plenty of times that Jeffrey was going to be a stud. Gushed over him more than once. He also liked Kou and would state that there is a reason Kou didn't go in the first...and TMC was there to state that he'd have not taken Kou in the first or second, but that there was a reason the guy had a 3rd round tag on him.
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And there is also the fact that the best of guru's have their moments of getting it wrong. It happens.

Of course his option to leave and it is what it is.

But the guy brought valuable insight, from actually watching countless hours of game tape.

Maybe he was too sensitive , but who doesn't have their flaws.

I liked the guy, and look in at him over at the Universe to catch his perspective.

Steeler Nation will survive without him, but it was more complete with him.............
 
Superman said:
not that TMC couldnt defend himself if he were here, but he did state plenty of times that Jeffrey was going to be a stud. Gushed over him more than once. He also liked Kou and would state that there is a reason Kou didn't go in the first...and TMC was there to state that he'd have not taken Kou in the first or second, but that there was a reason the guy had a 3rd round tag on him.
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I remember TMC being much more hesitant about Jeffrey, but that's just my memory which could be faulty (but I am married to a Gamecock fan so I was always interested in TMC's opinions on them). Here's something for you...Michael Sam sacked Matt Flynn of the Packers yesterday, beating another one of TMC's favorites, Derek Sherrod.
 
SteelerAl said:
I remember TMC being much more hesitant about Jeffrey, but that's just my memory which could be faulty (but I am married to a Gamecock fan so I was always interested in TMC's opinions on them). Here's something for you...Michael Sam sacked Matt Flynn of the Packers yesterday, beating another one of TMC's favorites, Derek Sherrod.
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Yes, I remember TMC not being very high on Jeffrey. And I remember him wanting Sherrod over Heyward. Like I said I enjoyed his opinion but some people here took it for more than just an opinion and I think that's where his god complex came from. He started believing his opinion was fact which meant anytime you contradicted it a long argument would follow. Part in why this thread is so freaking long.
 
this board was better with TMC. but it is still the 1st website I go to everyday and the only steeler website I go to.
 
Did TMC really leave because of Archer butt hurt? That sucks. I'll miss his weekly previews.
 
TMC is gone. I've been a member of this board for almost 14 years and he is one of the members who I think contributed a lot to this board. That is a big loss.
 
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