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Steelers select Dri Archer in Round 3

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And there you have it...Archer gets a number change to WR... so much for the "Archer is a running back and not a receiver" argument. Yup, that just flew out the window. The Steelers are clearly preparing to line him up at multiple positions, including slot reciever, and of course, in the backfield as well.

http://instagram.com/p/oL1J3CB_SD/#

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...-archer-jersey-position-change-2014-nfl-draft

That would mean the Steelers' speedy third round draft pick is now a receiver, and not a running back.

Nevermind that backfield stuff. If you want Steelers third round pick Dri Archer to be a real multi-purpose weapon, he needs a number that supports it.

Archer posted a picture of a Steelers jersey with his last name and the No. 13 on it recently to Instagram, largely suggesting the rookie, who wore No. 34 during the Steelers' recent rookie minicamp, has made a change.

The change was confirmed on the team's web site as well.

The No. 13 was made famous last preseason by another speed demon, WR/KR Reggie Dunn.

More importantly, it means he's no longer a running back. According to NFL Rule 5, Section 1, Article 4: "If a player changes his position during his playing career in the NFL and such change moves him out of a category specified above, he must be issued an appropriate new jersey number."

The number 34 is not allowed to be worn by receivers, and the number 13 isn't allowed to be worn by running backs. Assuming Archer will not continue his rookie season in Pittsburgh as a quarterback, kicker or punter, it's safe to say he's now a reciver.

It's nothing new to Archer. He once changed jersey numbers in the middle of a game. His No. 1 jersey was ripped to shreds and he had to change to No. 26.
 
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t-man said:
I don't see why they wouldn't, given your tone in the beginning of the discussion, prognosticating without ANY doubt we would be lamenting this moment. I would think if you miss on even one, you'd be considered a raging fuckup, I mean hell, if Colbert and Tomlin hit on EVERY person BUT Archer, they are going to get the **** reamed out of them here, so all the way though the final round they are expected to be perfect, I don't see why when we give you 10 chances at round ******* 3, you can't be 100% right. Do you?

Joe
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You must be tired from stuffing so many words into my mouth. Without any doubt? Expected to be perfect? I've said the opposite over and over again. And frankly, it's hard to take your opinion on any of this seriously, since you've told me that Colclough, McFadden, and Gilbert were a-OK second-round picks.

You've been lost in the woods this entire thread. And why are you so obsessed with my prognostication record? I've never made a claim as to whether it's perfect, good, mediocre, poor, anything.
 
New plan he lines up behind center. No one can see him. He then eases forward till he is touching the ball. It is snapped and he runs from behind center and clears the linebackers before anyone sees him. What a plan. After a few of those we will continually have encroachment called as the defenders keep getting into the neutral zone while looking for him. Nice comics by the way karma for that.
 
Tibs said:
He can line-up anywhere in the backfield...this just changes his primary position from RB to WR.
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So what does the depth chart at WR look like now? A. Brown, Wheaton... DHB? Archer? Moye? Bryant? L. Moore? I guess RB will be Bell, Blount and whoever battles for the third slot in camp?
 
Idioteque said:
You must be tired from stuffing so many words into my mouth. Without any doubt? Expected to be perfect? I've said the opposite over and over again. And frankly, it's hard to take your opinion on any of this seriously, since you've told me that Colclough, McFadden, and Gilbert were a-OK second-round picks.

You've been lost in the woods this entire thread. And why are you so obsessed with my prognostication record? I've never made a claim as to whether it's perfect, good, mediocre, poor, anything.
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assuming this is because YOU call people out and proclaim them to be "uneducated" and suggest they watch film.
Thereby appointing yourself as an authority on the draft whose integrity is not to be blemished. Thus, it can be assumed and should be factually correct that every pick YOU make is 100% on the mark and that player absolutely will have a HOF career because you're "educated" and "watched film" while creating multiple-tabbed spreadsheets and a color-coded big board.

yes, creepy. weird.
**** you
 
JupiterBnG said:
So what does the depth chart at WR look like now? A. Brown, Wheaton... DHB? Archer? Moye? Bryant? L. Moore? I guess RB will be Bell, Blount and whoever battles for the third slot in camp?
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My guess is Archer will be above and beyond a traditional spot on the depth chart per se at RB or WR, but will be a utility guy they plug in at various spots depending on down and distance. A multi-faceted playmaker, which is what they called him when they drafted him. Having said that, I can see him in the slot quite often, and also lined-up in the backfield, probably with some other back there as well, be it Bell or Blount.
 
Tibs said:
My guess is Archer will be above and beyond a traditional spot on the depth chart per se at RB or WR, but will be a utility guy they plug in at various spots depending on down and distance. A multi-faceted playmaker, which is what they called him when they drafted him. Having said all that, I can see him in the slot quite often, and also lined-up in the backfield, probably with some other back there as well.
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I should report this post as it does not jibe with the ultra-intellectual musings of a certain Idiot on this very message board.
 
JupiterBnG said:
So what does the depth chart at WR look like now? A. Brown, Wheaton... DHB? Archer? Moye? Bryant? L. Moore? I guess RB will be Bell, Blount and whoever battles for the third slot in camp?
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I don't think they view Archer as a traditional slot. Like Tibs said, he'll likely be a wild card deployed here and there, probably running gadget stuff from the slot as opposed to typical slot routes. I expect most of our slot routes to be run by Moore in 3-WR sets and Moore + Wheaton when we're four-wide.
 
For the record, I hold TMC in very high regard and in no way assumed offense would be taken. He is one of the most diligent minds on this board. We simply disagree on Archer's tape and potential. (it's allowed)
I know Tom is very often correct in his player eval...in this case, I really hope he's wrong. Right now, I am rooting for Mel Kiper to be correct and the kid gets OROY. NFL eval has him at best 'fit' as a slot/KR. If that is his (eventual) role, I'll be happy for him and the team. It's merely a 'glass half-empty vs. half-full argument.

In the draft, if slot was our pick (it can only be assumed the FO saw a larger drop-off in CB talent in this range?) I would have rather had Huff (gone at #84) or Abbredaris (too early). We will have to see if the pick manages to work out for the best. I think he (Archer) has the ability to be a special player. Would I rather have had a potential future starter at CB, yes. Would I have rather had a Hines Ward #2, sure. Archer was the pick. If he ends up being the next Desean Jackson I will be happy with the pick. If he ends up being the next McCluster...not as much. If he impacts games (in a good way) and takes away some of the 'heat' put on our other players, so be it.
 
It seems our fourth rounder had some problems with the ball. Did not catch anything on Friday from one report and was already being subject to Tomlin's dog house on Saturday, and this was from an experienced big receiver with lots of measurables.
 
Idioteque said:
I don't think they view Archer as a traditional slot. Like Tibs said, he'll likely be a wild card deployed here and there, probably running gadget stuff from the slot as opposed to typical slot routes. I expect most of our slot routes to be run by Moore in 3-WR sets and Moore + Wheaton when we're four-wide.
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I think they'll spread Archer out wide some and run bubble screens, to get him in space. I also see him running some of the routes Wallace/Brown do, quick slants across the middle, some underneath stuff. LB's are gonna have a hard time 1. keeping up with him, 2. getting him in their sights for the tackle/hit. All in all, I see him making a positive contribution to the offense as a whole, freeing-up Antonio and Heath, not to speak of loosening up the D for Bell/Blount in the run game. That's what made this pick exciting for me, the new/extra dimension he potentially brings to the offensive attack. I think this aspect will be much more telling than his actual stats on the field. It's what it does to the defense trying to counter a weapon like him.
 
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Superman said:
assuming this is because YOU call people out and proclaim them to be "uneducated" and suggest they watch film.
Thereby appointing yourself as an authority on the draft whose integrity is not to be blemished. Thus, it can be assumed and should be factually correct that every pick YOU make is 100% on the mark and that player absolutely will have a HOF career because you're "educated" and "watched film" while creating multiple-tabbed spreadsheets and a color-coded big board.

yes, creepy. weird.
**** you
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Ctfu at "mutiple- tabbed spreadsheets and a color-coded big board".
 
Tibs said:
I think they'll spread Archer out wide some and run bubble screens, to get him in space. I also see him running some of the routes Wallace/Brown do, quick slants across the middle, some underneath stuff. LB's are gonna have a hard time 1. keeping up with him, 2. getting him in their sights for the tackle/hit. All in all, I see him making a positive contribution to the offense as a whole, freeing-up Antonio and Heath, not to speak of loosening up the D for Bell/Blount in the run game. That's what made this pick exciting for me, the new/extra dimension he potentially brings to the offensive attack. I think this aspect will be much more telling than his actual stats on the field. It's what it does to the defense trying to counter a weapon like him.
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I think he can be an asset on screens if he holds onto the ball, but I shudder for the kid and his mother if he's sent across the middle. I can't imagine Archer taking the hits that Welker takes; even he gets hobbled quite a bit and he probably takes 50 hard shots a year across the middle.

For reference sake, I looked up DeSean Jackson's routes from last season. Jackson isn't a perfect reference point for Archer because he's bigger and a career WR, but they both have insane wheels and limitations to their route trees.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/04/02/the-routes-of-desean-jackson/

Of his 555 routes, Jackson only ran 14 slants and very few shallow drags. He made his mark on go routes, posts, screens, and hitches. Now, it's rare to see a slotman run a go route; that's typically reserved for WR-sized outside guys, which Archer is not, so I doubt he'll be sent deep more than a handful of times this season. If the Eagles' use of the diminutive Jackson is any indication, Archer is indeed ticketed for screens and dumpoffs a la McCluster.

He can certainly make a mark doing that stuff if he stays healthy and the fumbling slows down. I'm not going to pronounce the guy DOA, but I think his best-case scenario, at least as a rookie, is to see 10-15 snaps a game with 2-3 possibilities on each snap. He won't be running posts or quick ins or anything requiring him to use his frame in any way. Defenses will have to respect his speed, but only if he's (a) on the field, and (b) capable of making them think about what he's going to do. If they know he's only a bubble screen guy, they'll contain him, so it's on Archer to prove he can add some wrinkles to his game.
 
85-87% of which are whining and bitching about players.
 
Looks like his numbered changed to that of a WR.

Hopefully you didn't run right out and buy a No. 34 Dri Archer jersey, because the Kent State product has already changed numbers.

On Monday, Archer, the Steelers third-round draft pick, posted a picture of his new number on Instagram and the official website also has updated the numeral change from 34 to 13.

So what does this change mean? According to the NFL rules, Archer's primary position is now wide receiver, as running backs and defensive backs are required to wear numbers 20-49.

In case you are curious, below are the NFL rules on jersey numbers.

Article 2

All players must wear numerals on their jerseys in accordance with Rule 5, Section 4, Article 3(c). Such numerals must be by playing position, as follows:

(a) quarterbacks, punters, and placekickers: 1-19;
(b) running backs and defensive backs: 20-49;
(c) centers: 50-79;
(d) offensive guards and tackles: 60-79;
(e) wide receivers: 10-19 and 80-89;
(f) tight ends: 80-89;
(g) defensive linemen: 50-79 and 90-99;
(h) linebackers: 50-59 and 90-99

If a player changes his position during his playing career in the NFL, and such change moves him from a position as an ineligible pass receiver to that of an eligible pass receiver, or from a position as an eligible pass receiver to that of an ineligible pass receiver, he must be issued an appropriate new jersey numeral. A change in jersey numeral is not required if the change is from an ineligible position to another ineligible position, or from an eligible position to another eligible position, provided that the player has participated at least one season at his position prior to the change.

Any request to wear a numeral for a special position not specified above (e.g., H-back) must be made to the Commissioner.

During the preseason period when playing rosters are larger, the League will allow duplication and other temporary deviations from the numbering scheme specified above, but the rule must be adhered to for all players during the regular season and postseason. Clubs must make numerals available to adhere to the rule, even if it requires returning to circulation a numeral that has been retired or withheld for other reasons. See 5-3-1 for reporting a change of position.
 
Atlsteelers said:
Looks like his numbered changed to that of a WR.

Hopefully you didn't run right out and buy a No. 34 Dri Archer jersey, because the Kent State product has already changed numbers.

On Monday, Archer, the Steelers third-round draft pick, posted a picture of his new number on Instagram and the official website also has updated the numeral change from 34 to 13.

So what does this change mean? According to the NFL rules, Archer's primary position is now wide receiver, as running backs and defensive backs are required to wear numbers 20-49.

In case you are curious, below are the NFL rules on jersey numbers.

Article 2

All players must wear numerals on their jerseys in accordance with Rule 5, Section 4, Article 3(c). Such numerals must be by playing position, as follows:

(a) quarterbacks, punters, and placekickers: 1-19;
(b) running backs and defensive backs: 20-49;
(c) centers: 50-79;
(d) offensive guards and tackles: 60-79;
(e) wide receivers: 10-19 and 80-89;
(f) tight ends: 80-89;
(g) defensive linemen: 50-79 and 90-99;
(h) linebackers: 50-59 and 90-99

If a player changes his position during his playing career in the NFL, and such change moves him from a position as an ineligible pass receiver to that of an eligible pass receiver, or from a position as an eligible pass receiver to that of an ineligible pass receiver, he must be issued an appropriate new jersey numeral. A change in jersey numeral is not required if the change is from an ineligible position to another ineligible position, or from an eligible position to another eligible position, provided that the player has participated at least one season at his position prior to the change.

Any request to wear a numeral for a special position not specified above (e.g., H-back) must be made to the Commissioner.

During the preseason period when playing rosters are larger, the League will allow duplication and other temporary deviations from the numbering scheme specified above, but the rule must be adhered to for all players during the regular season and postseason. Clubs must make numerals available to adhere to the rule, even if it requires returning to circulation a numeral that has been retired or withheld for other reasons. See 5-3-1 for reporting a change of position.
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Well now we know why he is in the lower numbers, he needed to wear a number with a 1 in it or they would be two small to read and I think 81 is busy. Although I am surprised he did not end up with 11.
 
Okay.. I'm not in the camp that is totally against this pick (although I have my doubts)

But PLEASE tell me this dude is not taking up a roster spot as a WR? We have 2 RB's worth a damn and about 4 decent enough receivers fighting for 2 spots before he's even factored in

Come on now
 
AggieSteel said:
Okay.. I'm not in the camp that is totally against this pick (although I have my doubts)

But PLEASE tell me this dude is not taking up a roster spot as a WR? We have 2 RB's worth a damn and about 4 decent enough receivers fighting for 2 spots before he's even factored in

Come on now
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It really does not matter, we would just carry one more wide out and one less running back and it becomes a non issue. I would not be surprised if we only carry 3 RBs and 1 FB this year. We may have one or two depending on what happens on the practice squad.
 
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