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Steelers select Dri Archer in Round 3

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Dri Archer will kick your *****!

Yup, that's exactly what's gonna happen. So I suggest everyone get back on track and begin listing the ways Archer is gonna put this offense on his back & get this team into the playoffs.



Here is how I see it, Archer's possessive MOM, won't let him out of sight, yet alone, compete in training camp............... Opppps Wrong Archer. I guess I should have known it was Dri, you were referring to. Dri, will earn a place for himself, on special teams. His WR status will be used in WR screens / slot / Flats / etc. Don't forget the reverses! he will have about 210-250 yrds rushing.


My contribution, not just to the player, but to the THREAD


Salute the nation
 
Timmons, gets drafted to play OLB, moves inside, when he starts to look good inside, people were still saying "Well, he's a bust, because he's not playing the position we drafted him to play".

If that's not reaching to be right, I don't know what is.

Joe

T-man, you are so right on this!!! I have read so many times, that exact argument. Must suck to always be right, you know. Look one can make an assessment, then as more product / information comes along, alter their intial assessment. Doctors do it all the time!!!! If yaz is wrong, what the hell, ownership it, and move on.


Salute the nation
 
The pick doesn't bother me as much as the player. I like that they ignored Mel effing Kiper, said "**** the depth chart (to an extent)" and had the balls to go after their guy. Teams don't get better by taking safe, sanitized prospects at every turn, making sure they fill an immediate need. They improve by adding talent. So, by all means, go get your guy. If I liked Archer more as a player - let's say he were NFL-sized and didn't have a mile-long injury and fumbling history - and the team saw enough in the guy to prioritize him, then I'd be all for it. I remember 2001 vividly - we ignored two blue-chip CBs in Clements and Smoot and "reached" for a stumpy NT. Obviously, it was the right move. I loved the trade-up for Stonio. I loved taking DeCastro and Heyward. Go get your guy.

I just don't like the player. It's not that I think an 8-10 touch scatback isn't worth the pick. It's that I don't think Archer will be able to be that. If you offered me a guaranteed (better) McCluster there, I might do it, but at this point I don't see that in Archer.

Fine you don't like Archer. I personally think the value and what he might bring to the table was an awesome pick. I feel Archer is a much better prospect than McCluster. Yes, they are similar in stature and in the ability to catch, run and have good feet/hips to make guys miss. But Archer has a whole nother level of speed. The elimate of speed to this arena/cfl football we are entering cannot be under estimated. Having the fastest guy on the field is an asset even if he's 5-7 5/8 and 175lbs. I understand some figure he's a bust and won't amount to a hill of beans... yes saying that from a 3rd round pick which 88% fit this category is really stepping out on a limb but I will say worst case scenario we have a Dante Hall type return guy. Best case we have Tavon Austin type guy. That's my limb.

Absolutely, spending on pass rushers in FA is a nightmare, unless you're the Jags with $50M to burn. I wanted to stock up in the draft. Lots of mid-round talent off the edge. I like the majority of our draft - not an Archer fan and I knew very little of Shaq, though I like what I've seen - but man I wish we had spent a pick on a promising pass rusher.

I agree we could have went after another edge rusher but if you look at how they flew off the board I feel we are lucky to have even signed UDFA Howard Jones. I feel in 2013 we made a HUGE mistake not letting Sanders walk and taking the third round pick from the Pats. I think they kept Sanders to keep Ben happy but if you look at the season and how we traded this years 3rd for a 4th last year it did not turn out well. We could have used that third last year for Thomas/Jones (whoever) and not had to trade. That way we could have had two third round picks.
 
Not long ago, TMC and I went ten rounds on Trent Richardson. When Richardson **** the bed horribly, he admitted that he may have been wrong on the guy. Soon after that, we went at it again over Eugene Monroe. He set me straight on Monroe and the fallacy of relying on blocking metrics.

Anyone who throws around this "You just wanna look right!" crap is just reaching. I rarely, if ever, see that on this board.


63 pages easy, now.
 
On a serious note, even though we needed a corner or two as well as wide outs and a tight end the draft did not seem to fall that way for us. In looking at all the draft info posted on here by guys that are really into the draft and do lots of research most of the corners would have been reaches at our picks. We may have had a first round or second round grade on two or three of them but I suspect they were not rated as high as who we selected or were gone prior to our picks. This year our picks in the first two rounds look good to me after I researched them. I was hoping for one of the higher tight ends in the third but they were gone. Some wanted wide outs but they may not have looked like they could up grade what we had other than being younger and less experienced.

In looking at it Archer may have had the higher ceiling than his alternatives. He also has the higher bust factor as it looks like everything including the third will be some kind of project. Even the alternatives look like they were going to be some type of project likely with a higher floor and lower bust factor but not likely to be much other than a depth player. If we got two starters out of this years draft in their rookie years that is a good draft. We may actually find a third or fourth out of this bunch and if we do this will have turned out to have been a fantastic draft.

Two other guys I am hopeful for our our rookie offensive tackle, and our tight end, a possible third would be McCullers. If archer hits is hype we could be very well off.
 
I understand the opinion that people aren't happy because Archer isn't going to be a 300 carry back, or a 100 catch receiver. I get that. I have been saying from the begining that is not the plan for Archer. But he WILL touch the football and that is something no other pick would surely do. Even Bryant who they took the round later might not even make the 53 man because his function is either WR or practice squad. He isn't a return guy, he isn't a special teams gunner, he has no other value than WR. I understand some would rather have RD1 Shazier, RD2 Tuitt, RD3 Bryant, RD4 Desir, RD5 Seastrunk, RD5 Johnson, RD6 Zumwalt, RD7 Blanchflower. And I can see the value in the middle rounds. Bryant could be the next Colston, or the next Limas Sweed. Desir could be the next Keenan Lewis, or the next Hawthorne. Seastrunk could be the next Blount, but he has Bell and Blount in from of him. I guess what I am saying is I understand what people are saying but even though Archer will likely not be Shady McCoy his floor is still much higher than most of the guys drafted after him because he has several avenues where he will be able to contribute.

That is all well and good, except (and it is the exceptions that kill you)...Bryant also returned kicks in college and was very prolific as a kick returner in high school, so he can return kicks. Maybe he can return punts as well....yet to be seen. Odd how Archer can instantly be projected as a punt returner and kick returner because he returned kicks in college but Bryant has no special teams value because he only returned kicks in college. Funny how that works. I like this guy, he can do these tasks because he did this in college. I want to make him look better, so this guy cannot do these tasks, even though he did them in college.

Why did you not give a high and low for Archer? His high is what, McCluster and his low is Reggie Dunn or Rainey. So, his high is a guy that has no position that has one good year and then kind of flounders around. His low is he screws around on rosters for a couple seasons getting paid. Wow. That is impressive.

Then you go on to talk about the floors. What if, because of his lack of pure size, he starts spitting the football up on special teams? Then, he gets pulled, like some other "return specialists" have in the past. His career is over before it starts. THAT is his floor, as a failed punt returner. Just because you think he will be some magical 10-touch a game guy does not make it reality. His ceiling, McCluster.

There are PLENTY of players taken after him that have similar floors and better ceilings. ****, take Brandon Thomas. Shelve him a season, then you have, at worst, a guy thought to be a starting OG. At best, you have a starting tackle. That is not better than a specialist? Is your stance that none of these guys taken after the 3rd round have the floor of being a full time offensive or defensive starter and the floor of a ******* package specialist is higher?

It is these types of arguments that just show the level of absurd blindness some fans have when following the front office.

And, it is pretty damn laughable that Seastrunk could be the next Blount, when power and between the tackles is ABSOLUTELY not his game. He is a bigger speed back. He was 201 and ran a 4.37 forty. But, sure, compare him to power guys, because, well, just because.....
 
Anyone who throws around this "You just wanna look right!" crap is just reaching. I rarely, if ever, see that on this board.
That's because the board doesn't have a built-in mirror?
 
Fine you don't like Archer. I personally think the value and what he might bring to the table was an awesome pick. I feel Archer is a much better prospect than McCluster. Yes, they are similar in stature and in the ability to catch, run and have good feet/hips to make guys miss. But Archer has a whole nother level of speed. The elimate of speed to this arena/cfl football we are entering cannot be under estimated. Having the fastest guy on the field is an asset even if he's 5-7 5/8 and 175lbs. I understand some figure he's a bust and won't amount to a hill of beans... yes saying that from a 3rd round pick which 88% fit this category is really stepping out on a limb but I will say worst case scenario we have a Dante Hall type return guy. Best case we have Tavon Austin type guy. That's my limb.

If his ceiling is "really good kick returner and part-time player," which is what Austin is, then IMO he'd better be damn likely to reach that benchmark. It's fair to expect that of Austin; he's 5'9 and caught almost 300 passes in school as a full-time player. It was fair to expect it from a guy like Sproles, who's thickly built and had a massive college workload against real competition. With Archer, it's more of a shot in the dark. He's small to the point that his success would be unprecedented, he's an injury case and a fumble case, and his competition level was pretty low. I love his speed, but to me, that's just not a strong enough predictor of success to ignore his many red flags. Worst-case, I think he's Chris Rainey, an oft-injured fumbler whose skill (kickoff returning) is declining in importance. Best-case, I see McCluster, a dynamite returner and ho-hum slotman. Again, let me lay out the disclaimer that some folks require. I do not profess to have (a) a storied professional history as an NFL talent scout, nor (b) clairvoyant powers.

Indeed, most third-round picks become nobodies. That doesn't mean a third is valueless. You still swing for the fences. That's what the FO did with the Archer pick and I applaud them for it. They took a calculated risk in grabbing a potential weapon. If they feel Archer was a top-tier KR/weapon, then I generally prefer them going after that than the #15 CB.

But it's all been hashed and rehashed. There are no new wrinkles to this debate. Bottom line, I dislike the pick, but it didn't doom our Super Bowl odds or anything.
 
Why did you not give a high and low for Archer? His high is what, McCluster?
Nope, his high is the ******* love-child of Barry Sanders, Devin Hester, Dante Hall, Wes Welker and Darren Sproles. :)
 
Do you have examples of my doing this?

I eagerly await them.

Fare thee well, Tibs, on your latest excursion.

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we were expecting a triumphant return filled with spices and jewels.
 
That is all well and good, except (and it is the exceptions that kill you)...Bryant also returned kicks in college and was very prolific as a kick returner in high school, so he can return kicks. Maybe he can return punts as well....yet to be seen. Odd how Archer can instantly be projected as a punt returner and kick returner because he returned kicks in college but Bryant has no special teams value because he only returned kicks in college. Funny how that works. I like this guy, he can do these tasks because he did this in college. I want to make him look better, so this guy cannot do these tasks, even though he did them in college.

TMC; said:
Is Archer a specialist? Well, he does not return punts, putrid at it. Kick returner only.

So Bryant and his 2, 10, and 2 kick returns and 0 punt returns but can return kicks and maybe punts. Archer who on a team who returned 9 punts last year only has 6 career returns is a "kick returner only". Yep, I see the logic there...
Why did you not give a high and low for Archer? His high is what, McCluster and his low is Reggie Dunn or Rainey. So, his high is a guy that has no position that has one good year and then kind of flounders around. His low is he screws around on rosters for a couple seasons getting paid. Wow. That is impressive.

FordFairLane said:
I will say worst case scenario we have a Dante Hall type return guy. Best case we have Tavon Austin type guy
Then you go on to talk about the floors. What if, because of his lack of pure size, he starts spitting the football up on special teams? Then, he gets pulled, like some other "return specialists" have in the past. His career is over before it starts. THAT is his floor, as a failed punt returner. Just because you think he will be some magical 10-touch a game guy does not make it reality. His ceiling, McCluster.
Ok, you think his ceiling is McCluster. Of course Reggie Dunn was an UDFA so we had nothing invested in him. Rainey got in legal troubles that's why he's a colt.
There are PLENTY of players taken after him that have similar floors and better ceilings. ****, take Brandon Thomas. Shelve him a season, then you have, at worst, a guy thought to be a starting OG. At best, you have a starting tackle. That is not better than a specialist? Is your stance that none of these guys taken after the 3rd round have the floor of being a full time offensive or defensive starter and the floor of a ******* package specialist is higher?
Yes, his floor is a package specialist, return guy. His ceiling is a Tavon Austin type weapon. I'd have been fine with Thomas also. But he's a 49er not a steeler so I'm not focusing on him.
It is these types of arguments that just show the level of absurd blindness some fans have when following the front office.

And, it is pretty damn laughable that Seastrunk could be the next Blount, when power and between the tackles is ABSOLUTELY not his game. He is a bigger speed back. He was 201 and ran a 4.37 forty. But, sure, compare him to power guys, because, well, just because.....

I was using Blount as an example as a late round/UDFA RB that became productive. Not like I said a guy with a total of 14 kick returns would be a great kick returner but a guy that was on a team that barely returned punts couldn't because he didn't have a bunch of punt returns.
 
it must remain open. we cannot close the wormhole with Tibs out there!
Yes, thank you, please have consideration for my well being! Who will be around to defend Archer after his first fumble or dropped pass? Nobody, that's who. It must remain open, we must not close the wormhole, we must free Tibs! Long live Dri Archer, we must support him, we must... sdet&)*sdfsng.......argh, cough.....heeeeeeeellllllllllppppppp
 
Tibs your rude... He is eagerly waiting.
 
ark, that's really upsetting. I mean, you can call me a communist, but to call me Roger Goodell....it's just too much to stomach.
 
Yes, thank you, please have consideration for my well being! Who will be around to defend Archer after his first fumble or dropped pass? Nobody, that's who. It must remain open, we must not close the wormhole, we must free Tibs! Long live Dri Archer, we must support him, we must... sdet&)*sdfsng.......argh, cough.....heeeeeeeellllllllllppppppp

Dang I hadn't even thought of this until now. The live game commentary thread will go from 10 pages to 74 within five minutes of Archer's first fumble.. Christ..
 
This site would have a melt down if the first time he touches the ball he goes 50+ yards with a TD
 
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