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Steelers select Dri Archer in Round 3

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Guse said:
So, anyone have any opinions about this Dri Archer kid?
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With our old and slow secondary I say we need to score 30+ points every game to keep our heads above 8-8

The more excitement in the offense - the better
 
Spike said:
With our old and slow secondary I say we need to score 30+ points every game to keep our heads above 8-8

The more excitement in the offense - the better
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So, what I'm hearing you say is that he'll never be a punt returner, but we can sign him up for 15 touchdowns this year. And you guarantee he won't be injured.
 
Mighty Mouse runs a 3.5 second forty! he can't be touched. he is like "Quicksilver" in the X-Men movie it's like time is standing still for him.
 
antdrewjosh said:
http://www.football.com/en-us/archer-s-arrow-points-more-to-dunn-not-sproles/
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Maybe not a bad comparison.

Here is an article about the the Buccaneer's 1997 draft which referenced Dunn at 5'-8" and 176 lbs (likely his combine measurements). He reportedly ran a 4.28 at the combine as well (and a confirmed 10.3 100-yard dash in college).

http://www.sportsxchange.com/ds97/Analysis/TBDraft.htm

Note some of the same "spin" from Tomlin's mentor Tony Dungy about the Dunn selection.

Also interesting from the Archer article is that his college coach recommends keeping him at RB. When they tried to line him up as a receiver... "I think one of the biggest mistakes we made here is flexing him out..." He mentions touches in that sentence but I suspect quality suffered as well.


Hmm... Could a Warrick Dunn be successful today (he played up until 2008)? He definitely gained weight, playing in the 180's and maybe even 190 by the time he retired. Maybe Dunn should be the example, but then why give Archer a WR number and stick him in the WR meeting room? Maybe we should just figure on running him until he gets hurt and maybe by some genetic gift he stays healthy (like Dunn did) and we get a pretty decent player.

Again, it all comes down to watching it happen. Tampa Bay never kidded themselves with Dunn. He was a RB to them from day one. Never a returner. Never a WR. A number 12 pick overall and he got touches like crazy starting in his rookie season (almost 300 a season for his career).

Considering their size, lack of receiving/return experience, Dunn might be the best comparison I've heard of yet in the Archer debate. And again, I see a lot of Tomlin trying to re-live his experiences in Tampa Bay (both being with Dunn in 2001 and then coaching against him from 2002-2005). You see the guys he "grew up with" in Tampa Bay - Brooks, Dunn, Barber - and you somewhat see us attempt to find similar players in our drafting style.
 
Love these puff articles that call Archer "smaller" or "smallish, like Darren Sproles." Or the posters who say, "Hey, Archer can be just fine, look at Willie Parker and MoJo Drew!!" Archer's not on the small side, he's small to a damn near unprecedented degree.

From a body standpoint, Sproles and Dunn are not very comparable to Archer. McCluster and Rainey come to mind.
 
Mean Joe and Dri

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Idioteque said:
Love these puff articles that call Archer "smaller" or "smallish, like Darren Sproles." Or the posters who say, "Hey, Archer can be just fine, look at Willie Parker and MoJo Drew!!" Archer's not on the small side, he's small to a damn near unprecedented degree.

From a body standpoint, Sproles and Dunn are not very comparable to Archer. McCluster and Rainey come to mind.
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Must you stir the pot???

Some would differ:




Warrick Dunn

Football player



Warrick De'Mon Dunn is a former American football running back who played in the National Football League for twelve seasons. Wikipedia





Born: January 5, 1975 (age 39), Baton Rouge, LA



Height: 5' 9" (1.75 m)



Nationality: American



Number: 28



Weight: 187 lbs (85 kg)



Education: Florida State University
 
bermudasteel said:
Must you stir the pot???

Some would differ:




Warrick Dunn

Football player



Warrick De'Mon Dunn is a former American football running back who played in the National Football League for twelve seasons. Wikipedia





Born: January 5, 1975 (age 39), Baton Rouge, LA



Height: 5' 9" (1.75 m)



Nationality: American



Number: 28



Weight: 187 lbs (85 kg)



Education: Florida State University
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So, let me get this straight. What your saying here, is that, Dri Archer is AMERICAN ?
who would have guessed!!!



Salute the nation
 
When Warrick Dunn was drafted, his combine measurements were 5'-8" and something and weighing 176 lbs.

That is VERY CLOSE to Archer (less than an inch shorter and 5 lbs lighter). Sure Dunn gained some weight in the pros as will Archer. The problem I have is the idea Archer is new "toy" to be used in all these weird ways that he didn't really do much in college.

To me, the more I read up on the guy, he's a running back. Period. He's Warrick Dunn, Garrett Wolfe, etc. He's not a "return specialist". He's not a wide receiver. If we try to force him into that roll, I'm afraid he will struggle a bit.

I'm actually leaning towards just lining him up in the backfield and running him like a normal running back and see what happens.
 
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deljzc said:
When Warrick Dunn was drafted, his combine measurements were 5'-8" and something and weighing 178 lbs.

That is VERY CLOSE to Archer (less than an inch shorter and 5 lbs lighter). Sure Dunn gained some weight in the pros as will Archer. The problem I have is the idea Archer is new "toy" to be used in all these weird ways that he didn't really do much in college.

To me, the more I read up on the guy, he's a running back. Period. He's Warrick Dunn, Garrett Wolfe, etc. He's not a "return specialist". He's not a wide receiver. If we try to force him into that roll, I'm afraid he will struggle a bit.

I'm actually leaning towards just lining him up in the backfield and running him like a normal running back and see what happens.
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I said the exact same thing a few pages back. He's a RB period. Even when he was split out, most of the time they threw a screen or just brought him back inside and handed him the ball. He isn't a WR. I'd actually put a FB in front of him and let him run. This tricky **** isn't going to work long term. The problem is that they already have 2 very good RBs. So you risk taking snaps away from your 2 best RBs.
 
bermudasteel said:
Must you stir the pot???

Some would differ:




Warrick Dunn

Football player



Warrick De'Mon Dunn is a former American football running back who played in the National Football League for twelve seasons. Wikipedia





Born: January 5, 1975 (age 39), Baton Rouge, LA



Height: 5' 9" (1.75 m)



Nationality: American



Number: 28



Weight: 187 lbs (85 kg)



Education: Florida State University
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That's noticeably taller and heavier than Archer. Two inches and 14 pounds may sound like quibbling, but it's the difference between Antonio Brown and Mike Wallace and nobody would consider them to be the same size.

And that's pretty much where the comparison ends between Archer and Dunn. Dunn was a college workhorse. Nobody came anywhere close to splitting touches with him; he touched the ball 718 times and never missed a game at FSU.
 
At the combine he was 176 lbs. Don't know how many more time I have to say that.
 
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Idioteque said:
That's noticeably taller and heavier than Archer. Two inches and 14 pounds may sound like quibbling, but it's the difference between Antonio Brown and Mike Wallace and nobody would consider them to be the same size.

And that's pretty much where the comparison ends between Archer and Dunn. Dunn was a college workhorse. Nobody came anywhere close to splitting touches with him; he touched the ball 718 times and never missed a game at FSU.
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And where was Dunn drafted again?
 
deljzc said:
At the combine he was 178 lbs. Don't know how many more time I have to say that.
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My apologies, sir! I certainly hope I haven't troubled your day any. I'm just so embarrassed and.. well, ashamed.

BTW - you only posted 178 once. And you don't seem very confident in the numbers you gave.
 
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t-man said:
And where was Dunn drafted again?
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Top 15 I believe.

I'm sure this is going somewhere about how Archer was less of an investment and third-round picks are worthless anyway, yadda yadda, but I disagree. And the investment wasn't part of my post, anyway. Comparing physical types here.
 
Idioteque said:
Top 15 I believe.

I'm sure this is going somewhere about how Archer was less of an investment and third-round picks are worthless anyway, yadda yadda, but I disagree. And the investment wasn't part of my post, anyway. Comparing physical types here.
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Right, you're comparing physical types, and indeed, they are pretty similar, however, one went in the first round, and one in the third round... seems to me, with the entire ************* thread going on and on about how the guy is just too small to play, yet this other "too small" guy was drafted in round 1, ya know, if this guy pans out, it's a pretty awesome deal. If it doesn't, well ****, it will be just like about 80% of the time with that pick. There is a reason he went in round 3, not round 1. If he works out, that will be great, if not, it really isn't a ******* shocker, now is it? Does every ************* player on this team need to look like Casey Hampton or Jerome Bettis for you yinzers to be happy? ;)

Joe
 
t-man said:
Right, you're comparing physical types, and indeed, they are pretty similar, however, one went in the first round, and one in the third round... seems to me, with the entire ************* thread going on and on about how the guy is just too small to play, yet this other "too small" guy was drafted in round 1, ya know, if this guy pans out, it's a pretty awesome deal.
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..but the other guy was bigger and more durable, and carried a full workload through 3+ years of a major college, and had a RB skillset, and didn't fumble more often than Richard Huntley. So they're not very comparable. It's like saying, "Archer is small, and Jones-Drew was kinda small, so they're the same player!!"
 
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