Steelers select Dri Archer in Round 3

[Tibs]

Brrrrruuuuuueeeeennnnneeeeerrrr!

 

[Tibs]

...you love the pick and think he is a great player.

I've warmed up to the pick and think he has the makings of a great player that can have an impact in multiple roles for this team, correct. I also thought highly of him before the draft, saw him as an electrifying player that made plays up and down the field. Shoot me.

Like I said before, if Archer were a clown you'd hate him and make fun of them for taking a smurf RB in the 3d round.

Wrong, if he was drafted by the Browns, or by any other team for that matter, I'd just hate him. I wouldn't give two ***** about him, just like I do with all players on other teams.

 

[Vader]

I've warmed up to the pick and think he has the makings of a great player than can have an impact in multiple roles for this team, correct.

You "warmed" up to a guy that hasn't played ONE down in the NFL nor has even been through ONE contact drill? Again, outside of being draft by the Steelers what has he done in the past month to change your mind?

 

[antdrewjosh]

Never let them see you as a hypocrite... too late for that with you but keep trying. Like I said, you people are just a circle jerk click that love anything and anyone black and gold. Regardless of your own pre-draft beliefs you love whatever the Steelers do. Like sheep looking for a shepherd. I'd rather be truthful about my opinion than be a hypocrite.

Like I said before, if Archer were a clown you'd hate him and make fun of them for taking a smurf RB in the 3d round. But since the Steelers took him (and they can do no wrong), you love the pick and think he is a great player.

All because we said give the kid a chance before we label him too small a bust with absolutely no chance to contribute to this team.

I think Manziel can be a good player that hasnt changed because he plays for the Browns. That was the last place i wanted him to go.

 

[Tibs]

You "warmed" up to a guy that hasn't played ONE down in the NFL nor has even been through ONE contact drill? Again, outside of being draft by the Steelers what has he done in the past month to change your mind?

It's really not that difficult Vader. The draft was back in early May. We're no longer in draft mode, it's okay to file away the spreadsheets, the combine numbers, the highlighter pens. Reality has set in, time passes, players come in, start practicing with their teammates, coaches and players have a chance to see these guys up close. Before you know it, training camp then pre-season will be upon us. Again, the draft is over. There's not much you can do to change how things played out. It's going to be okay. If Archer doesn't pan out, well that will suck for the Steelers. The odds are against him. I'm willing to give him a fighter's chance...

 

[Vader]

So no, I haven't. You're seeing and hearing things. No problem man, it happens, just wanted to make sure.

All because we said give the kid a chance before we label him too small a bust with absolutely no chance to contribute to this team.

I think Manziel can be a good player that hasnt changed because he plays for the Browns. That was the last place i wanted him to go.

Nobody has said he has 0 chance... nobody. But that's what me and several others have to deal with all the time from you people. You make up **** out of thin air and want us to defend it when it isn't even close to what we said. Hell TMC won't even post anymore because of it. Why is telling the truth so hard? The coaches say he won't be a starter. He wasn't used much in college because of fear of injury. The FACT is that in the NFL he is "maybe" a PR, KR trick play guy. I wouldn't draft that in the 3rd round. Is that clear enough?

 

[antdrewjosh]

Really nobody has said he has basically no chance???

I understand the value part of it in a way. Like I said when the pick came up i was thinking Bryant or Desir.

As far as what he can do in in the NFL hasnt been determined. He can be a change of pace back. He can run the ball. I think he can run any play any other RB can run. I wouldnt run him on the goaline. Am i going to give him the ball 20 plus times hell no. He can play in the slot. Is he Wes Welker nope. But he can cause issues for the defense lined up there. I think he can reuturn kicks and punts. Yes even though he never done it in college. I could be all weong on this. Why because opinion isnt fact. Just like your opinion or TMC's isnt either.

 

[Vader]

So no, I haven't. You're seeing and hearing things. No problem man, it happens, just wanted to make sure.

It's really not that difficult Vader. The draft was back in early May. We're no longer in draft mode, it's okay to file away the spreadsheets, the combine numbers, the highlighter pens. Reality has set in, time passes, players come in, start practicing with their teammates, coaches and players have a chance to see these guys up close. Before you know it, training camp then pre-season will be upon us. Again, the draft is over. There's not much you can do to change how things played out. It's going to be okay. If Archer doesn't pan out, well that will suck for the Steelers. The odds are against him. I'm willing to give him a fighter's chance...

This entire thread was about the draft selection until you guys started with thread count and trying to keep it up by posting gibberish and pictures with players. Nothing you posted tells me why you are warming to him as a player.. other than the fact that the Steelers drafted him and are saying good things about him.... just like they did Rainey a couple years ago.

 

[Vader]

Really nobody has said he has basically no chance???

Show me. The Steelers are going to do everything to give him one. Hell, I've even said at best he is Dexter McCluster. Isn't that a chance?

 

[antdrewjosh]

Show me. The Steelers are going to do everything to give him one. Hell, I've even said at best he is Dexter McCluster. Isn't that a chance?

Wasnt referring to you.

 

[Vader]

I understand the value part of it in a way. Like I said when the pick came up i was thinking Bryant or Desir.

As far as what he can do in in the NFL hasnt been determined. He can be a change of pace back. He can run the ball. I think he can run any play any other RB can run. I wouldnt run him on the goaline. Am i going to give him the ball 20 plus times hell no. He can play in the slot. Is he Wes Welker nope. But he can cause issues for the defense lined up there. I think he can reuturn kicks and punts. Yes even though he never done it in college. I could be all weong on this. Why because opinion isnt fact. Just like your opinion or TMC's isnt either.

But would you sit Bell and Blount to give him the ball? Bell is a stud IMHO. Blount is your power back. If he plays the slot then you are putting him inside against bigger defenders. That's why KS used him in the slot to bring him back across the formation and just hand him the ball. Or they'd run him out and swing pass the ball. He really wasn't a slot WR and his coach knew that. He even said they should have kept him at RB. So I don't understand the pick in the 3rd round. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[antdrewjosh]

But would you sit Bell and Blount to give him the ball? Bell is a stud IMHO. Blount is your power back. If he plays the slot then you are putting him inside against bigger defenders. That's why KS used him in the slot to bring him back across the formation and just hand him the ball. Or they'd run him out and swing pass the ball. He really wasn't a slot WR and his coach knew that. He even said they should have kept him at RB. So I don't understand the pick in the 3rd round. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yes 5-7 times carries a game I give this kid the ball as a RB. Kent used him in variety of ways. But he was best lined up in the backfield. Where ever the hole is he hits it. What was a disservice to him in college maybe a blessing. Which is playing the slot. Now instead of.it being brand new he has some experience at it. He didnt only catch swing passes. He ran patterns. I already said he needs work there. But he shows soft hands to me. If lined up there who is going to cover him a LB or corner? Most LB wont be able to stick him in my opinion. So either your playing zone or covering him with a CB pre snap. I think he maybe able to dictate favorable matchups for himself and others. We will see. Who knows

 

[insaniti]

What? **** off. You people try to link him to Dexter McCluster and Austin but I can't do the same thing? Yea, he's never played a down. Why don't you people stop comparing him and making asinine links to other players. Typical do as I say not as I do ****.

As much as it pains you I'm going to compare him to whoever the **** I want to. Don't like it? Tough ****. Hypocritical *******.

I NEVER agree with Vader, we've but heads on several topics, but the quote above couldn't be more correct. The whole thread has been comparing him to players A to Z, his links just happened to be comparing him to players who DIDN'T make it at his size... seems there a few more of them.

Can't back what up? That Dri Archer is not Chris Rainey? Would you like me to submit a DNA sample for your crazy ***?

He's also not Dexter McCluster, Warrick Dunn, Darren Sproles, etc...

 

[Vader]

Yes 5-7 times carries a game I give this kid the ball as a RB. Kent used him in variety of ways. But he was best lined up in the backfield. Where ever the hole is he hits it. What was a disservice to him in college maybe a blessing. Which is playing the slot. Now instead of.it being brand new he has some experience at it. He didnt only catch swing passes. He ran patterns. I already said he needs work there. But he shows soft hands to me. If lined up there who is going to cover him a LB or corner? Most LB wont be able to stick him in my opinion. So either your playing zone or covering him with a CB pre snap. I think he maybe able to dictate favorable matchups for himself and others. We will see. Who knows

At least now someone is talking about football. I know it seems like a matchup problem for the defense and it may turnout that way. But he struggled at it in college and will probably struggle at it in the NFL. I think he is a RB only. The problem is going to be placement. Do you trust running him inside in the NFL? If not then teams are going to know he is going to jump everything outside. Every time he touches the ball everybody knows it outside. It's just tough to do in the NFL. Well see and I hope he does well.

 

[antdrewjosh]

At least now someone is talking about football. I know it seems like a matchup problem for the defense and it may turnout that way. But he struggled at it in college and will probably struggle at it in the NFL. I think he is a RB only. The problem is going to be placement. Do you trust running him inside in the NFL? If not then teams are going to know he is going to jump everything outside. Every time he touches the ball everybody knows it outside. It's just tough to do in the NFL. Well see and I hope he does well.

Actually I dont if you watch his film he runs quite well inside. Hits it hard. With the ball in his hands diplays great vision and balance. I said he may never be Wes Welker **** he may never be Lance Moore in the slot. But i think he will dictate matchups. Are you going to stay in base and attempt to cover him with a LB or will you bring a safety down. Giving Brown and Wheaton one on one opportunities. Will teams come out in nickel giving Bell and Blount chances to run against smaller defenses?

 

[Idioteque]

Actually I dont if you watch his film he runs quite well inside. Hits it hard. With the ball in his hands diplays great vision and balance. I said he may never be Wes Welker **** he may never be Lance Moore in the slot. But i think he will dictate matchups. Are you going to stay in base and attempt to cover him with a LB or will you bring a safety down. Giving Brown and Wheaton one on one opportunities. Will teams come out in nickel giving Bell and Blount chances to run against smaller defenses?

What about sticking a LB on him and leveling him throughout the first five yards? You've eliminated him entirely as a weapon and it only required the same guy who would cover the RB anyway.

The list of guys with Archer's speed is short, but not an impressive group of football players. At some point, up need to go into physicality "mode" and handle your man. "Run past him" very, very rarely works as an only option.

 

[antdrewjosh]

In the slot how often is that going to happen? He is lined up off the ball. Going in motion. Did this happen alot in college? How often does this happen to other slot players? CBs rarely do what your saying. Bunch formations are used to dictate free releases. One of the reasons teams use them so much. You dont beat press coverage with just strength. Quickness is also an asset.

 

[jdell]

What LB runs a 4.26 to cover, keep up with, or level Archer out of the backfield? He will start out as a kick returner and hopefully punt returner and he'll be a scat back that gets 3-4 carries or receptions a game.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Actually I dont if you watch his film he runs quite well inside. Hits it hard. With the ball in his hands diplays great vision and balance. I said he may never be Wes Welker **** he may never be Lance Moore in the slot. But i think he will dictate matchups. Are you going to stay in base and attempt to cover him with a LB or will you bring a safety down. Giving Brown and Wheaton one on one opportunities. Will teams come out in nickel giving Bell and Blount chances to run against smaller defenses?

All very good points, this is what I think Archer will be best for. Making the defense show how they will defend him. That opens up other stuff, for the other offensive players. Ben's no huddle will attack these opportunities, allowing Archer to occasionally be an opportunity. Someone here said 5-7 touches, well believe it or not, 3-5 plays can determine the out come of a game. Maybe and maybe not, but could be a chance Archer is involved with 1, maybe two of those?


Salute the nation

 

[Idioteque]

What LB runs a 4.26 to cover, keep up with, or level Archer out of the backfield?

I could ask that question of all of the tiny speed guys that hit the NFL

 

[Idioteque]

In the slot how often is that going to happen? He is lined up off the ball. Going in motion. Did this happen alot in college? How often does this happen to other slot players? CBs rarely do what your saying. Bunch formations are used to dictate free releases. One of the reasons teams use them so much. You dont beat press coverage with just strength. Quickness is also an asset.

Indeed, the slot and motion are Archer's bread and butter in the passing game. I just don't see why we needed to gamble for such a dependent contributor the way we did.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Indeed, the slot and motion are Archer's bread and butter in the passing game. I just don't see why we needed to gamble for such a dependent contributor the way we did.

So i answer your football question so you go back to value?? Hmmm seems legit

 

[Idioteque]

So i answer your football question so you go back to value?? Hmmm seems legit

Intertwined

and the gamble I referred to wasn't only the round we spent, but also the massive risk he is as a player.

 

[jdell]

How is 3rd round pick a gamble? Technically they are all gambles. Why all the haters?

 

[jdell]

risk? How is drafting a returner/scat back/wr in the 3rd round such a massive risk? Sounds like value to me.