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Steelers select Dri Archer in Round 3

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deljzc said:
I also think the idea we have a "special, unique" part of the offense now puts Haley in an unwinnable situation.

I hate offenses that have guys that are so specialized you start second guessing the OC's when they don't get them a certain amount of "touches". If we lose and Archer gets only 1-2 carries, people will *****. If we lose and Archer gets too many carries, we'll be questioning why they take Bell off the field or forcing the ball to Archer and whether that is coming from the head coach (who's neck is on the line) or Haley.

I just see very few outcomes that make everyone happy. Hell, if Archer even hits the tip of the iceberg and becomes another Dunn/Charles, what's that say about Bell and the reach investment we made on him then a year ago? Picking Bell felt as "forced" a selection for need as any during the Tombert era. We're not going to relegate him into a dual roll already are we?

All I see with Archer is a lot of controversy - plays too much, plays too little, playing him at the wrong spot, not taking advantage of his skill set, et. al.

My prediction all along for Archer is this:

1. He will improve our kickoff return greatly (in my opinion, his kickoff ability is the most NFL ready of his traits).
2. He will struggle more than people think at ball security in the punt return game. I think you will see more "sure handed" punt returners used in tricky spots (like inside the 20) and you will only see Archer return punts is advantageous spots (like when he's standing between the 40's). Tomlin has done this throughout his tenure (using Holmes and Brown in advantageous spots).
3. I think he will look like a better running back than slot receiver but he will get much less touches that people think on offense (2-3 per game).
4. I think he will get dinged up and miss 2-3 games.

I predict his AV will be 2 and he will score 2 TD's (1 return, 1 offensive).

I predict there will be some here that will question hard why he's not getting more touches in the offense at some point during the season.
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So what you're saying is that Haley should construct and run an offense with the objective of minimizing the amount of second-guessing that occurs on internet message boards? Dude you've really lost your mind...no one even remotely associated with the Steelers gives two ***** about what occurs on this board. Pretty soon you will be wearing a tinfoil helmet to prevent Colbert from stealing your genius ideas.

I predict a lot of threads calling you out for thinking that drafting Bell was a reach...
 
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What I'm saying is an offense normally has enough "touches" to make 2 RB (one primary), 2 TE and 3 WR very good players. That a good offensive playbook is mostly geared toward plays involving those guys because it offers the most variety and surprise from personnel groupings using those players.

Archer is NOT in our top-2 running backs, top-2 tight ends or top-3 WR's. Every "touch" we force to him takes away from one of those guys and (to me) telegraphs a very limited playbook to other teams DC's when Archer comes into the game.

I'm just not a big fan of that approach to building an offense and I think it puts undue pressure on Haley to make it work.
 
I dont think you have to force him the ball. For him to have an impact on defenses. After Brown, Miller and Bell there are no established weapons on offense. Blount will get his carries in short yardage and a series or two. Archer will get some legitmate carries. Some trick plays of course. But the key will be how teams defend him out the slot. The bunch formation. Will be plentiful IMO. Its something we used alot in the past anyway.
 
deljzc said:
I also think the idea we have a "special, unique" part of the offense now puts Haley in an unwinnable situation.

I hate offenses that have guys that are so specialized you start second guessing the OC's when they don't get them a certain amount of "touches". If we lose and Archer gets only 1-2 carries, people will *****. If we lose and Archer gets too many carries, we'll be questioning why they take Bell off the field or forcing the ball to Archer and whether that is coming from the head coach (who's neck is on the line) or Haley.

I just see very few outcomes that make everyone happy. Hell, if Archer even hits the tip of the iceberg and becomes another Dunn/Charles, what's that say about Bell and the reach investment we made on him then a year ago? Picking Bell felt as "forced" a selection for need as any during the Tombert era. We're not going to relegate him into a dual roll already are we?

All I see with Archer is a lot of controversy - plays too much, plays too little, playing him at the wrong spot, not taking advantage of his skill set, et. al.

My prediction all along for Archer is this:

1. He will improve our kickoff return greatly (in my opinion, his kickoff ability is the most NFL ready of his traits).
2. He will struggle more than people think at ball security in the punt return game. I think you will see more "sure handed" punt returners used in tricky spots (like inside the 20) and you will only see Archer return punts is advantageous spots (like when he's standing between the 40's). Tomlin has done this throughout his tenure (using Holmes and Brown in advantageous spots).
3. I think he will look like a better running back than slot receiver but he will get much less touches that people think on offense (2-3 per game).
4. I think he will get dinged up and miss 2-3 games.

I predict his AV will be 2 and he will score 2 TD's (1 return, 1 offensive).

I predict there will be some here that will question hard why he's not getting more touches in the offense at some point during the season.
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This is that NEW CRAZY...
 
deljzc said:
What I'm saying is an offense normally has enough "touches" to make 2 RB (one primary), 2 TE and 3 WR very good players. That a good offensive playbook is mostly geared toward plays involving those guys because it offers the most variety and surprise from personnel groupings using those players.

Archer is NOT in our top-2 running backs, top-2 tight ends or top-3 WR's. Every "touch" we force to him takes away from one of those guys and (to me) telegraphs a very limited playbook to other teams DC's when Archer comes into the game.

I'm just not a big fan of that approach to building an offense and I think it puts undue pressure on Haley to make it work.
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Given the gist of the interviews, and the fact that since Haley has been here we keep looking for this mini-scat back type reciever, I think if there is "pressure" being put on Haley to make it work, it's being put there by Haley. I don't recall us drafting smurfy fast RB's when the Bruce was in town, so I don't think it's colbert or the Rooneys.

Joe
 
Idioteque said:
Just hate the sensationalist catchphrase bullshit every national sports story gets wrapped up in now.
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thus far there has been roughly 638 posts regarding that same thing on this very board by one special poster.
 
deljzc said:
IAll I see with Archer is a lot of controversy - .
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Really? NOOOO.... lol :D

I agree with your post del.

Every loss will probably have some blame thrown in his direction.

But honestly I think,, just like the example .gif someone posted the other day. He will be used as a decoy or a threat to be accounted for,,, even more so that an actual weapon with multiple touches.
 
antdrewjosh said:
He has not llpraticed at WR exclusively.. not even close.
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In the article you just posted, Ben compares Archer's role to Lance Moore's. That's my point: that he's at the very least (though probably much, much more than) 50% WIDE receiver, so comparing him to Jamaal Charles is ridiculous. Charles was a college workhorse and is an every-down workhorse now. Even if Archer becomes a great weapon, he doesn't draw a comparison to any 350-touch bellcow. The article that tried to paint Archer as "our Jamaal Charles" was just laughable.

Not that Archer has to be Charles or anywhere close to be a good player, of course. Just hate ******, lazy journalism, especially when it's so ****** and lazy it pushes falsehoods.
 
99 pages on this guy, and I'm still unemployed? WTF?

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So we agree he isnt a WR exclusively. 50% is half correct.
 
antdrewjosh said:
So we agree he isnt a WR exclusively. 50% is half correct.
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Right. Honestly. I think of him as a RB more so than a WR. I think that's his position and it's his best bet to make an offensive impact, I only asked those who are following these camp reports if he's practicing strictly at WR or splitting reps.
 
I think the Mods should lock the thread before it reaches 100 just to **** with the peeps trying to extend it.
 
I don't think that would be right at all.
 
We've all got a lot of time and effort invested in this thread...
 
And it just wouldn't be right if it didn't top that magical number....
 
I'm doing what I can BigAppleyinzer, heck, it might be the only satisfaction any of us get out of this thread if the kid doesn't either completley crash and burn or go freaking undeniable all pro, we'll be seeing this thread, or one like it, rehashing these same points every time he scores/fumbles/limps off the field, etc.
 
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