Steelers vs Bengals game thread.

[slashsteel]

Nope, proof as to who acutally watched the game, thats all

Bungles bungle. Stop trying to blame it on something else.

 

[waynehigh]

Bungles bungle. Stop trying to blame it on something else.

Refs give pit 23 pts (13 to pit, 10 taken from cin) thats why pit 'won' and cin 'lost'

 

[waynehigh]

With no bias of course...those rose colored glasses must be really strong. Dumbass

Uhh unbiased announcers agreed bengals got screwed on everyone of those calls, so no bias needed to see why the score was what it was at the end of the night

 

[Stryker]

I love how the refs earholed AB on his TD catch. I suppose that is 14 points the Steelers earned now...

the td bell scored shouldnt have happened, thats why only 7, cheap roughing the passer extended drive leading to td

And now you are fabricating scenarios. Steelers didn't need the refs to extend the drive on Gino's late hit. It was 2nd and 5. It's not like it was 3rd or 4th down. Ben wouldn't have need the refs to help him to get a first down, but hey, he got it. Sorry but a 2nd and 5 roughing the passer isn't a gift. It was inevitable that Ben would have picked up the 5 yards on his own. Because he owns the State of Ohio. No chance.

Want to know the definition of a gift? Dropping Iloka's suspension to a fine. That is a gift. Enjoy it.

 

[insaniti]

true they havent been all that good but when they have good years the league has made sure they couldnt get a first round bye (watch the calls that went against cin that were terrible every year towards the end of the season or in playoff games, what is always the same? Calls ALWAYS against cin, and everyone wonders why marvin 0-7 in playoffs, injuries account for 1, refs prob 4-5 others, pretty obvious who gets help from the efs who doesnt), or advance almost every year (too many inj vs Indy, cin or anybody else wasnt winnin that game)

You can't even complain properly if you don't even know how many of the games Lewis has lost because of the refs. The true answer, is 0.

Lets do a review of the horrible, by your standards, calls that "handed" the Steelers the game.

You say it all started with the Steelers down 17-0. So obviously it means the PI call on Brown. But before we get to that, how about we talk about how every NFL team knows that a draw or screen are what you call when deep in your own territory at the end of the half to determine if you're even going to try for points or not. Bell goes for 35 yards on a screen pass, making Kirkpatrick look silly yet again faking him out with a stutter step that gave Bell an additional 15 yards on the play. This gives the Steelers the ball at mid field with 11 seconds left. What do the Bengals do? Well they don't play deep safety to prevent any deep balls, so two horrible defensive calls by Cinci, but you're right. It's the refs fault here...

Anyway, on to the actual play with the penalty... Kirkpatrick is one on one with Brown, he is TOAST. Ben puts the ball on the money, if Kirkpatrick doesn't reach out and grab Brown, it's a walk in TD. Blame the refs, but that could have been 7 instead of 3.

You're next ***** is with the holding call on Bernard on Watt. By the rule, his hands are outside the shoulders, arm wrapped around Watt, jersey is grabbed... Sorry that's a hold. Even if we don't call that, the horrible holding call on the kick off return for the TD evens that one out. Both take TD's off the board for each team. It's a wash.

A few plays later, you guys leave Bell completely uncovered on a 2nd and 10, and then fail to even lay a hand on him on the sideline, with Jackson simply backing away and letting Bell run right by him.

Next, the Atkins roughin the passer. Like it was pointed out, it was 2nd and 5, not third down, not fourth down. Ball was out of Ben's hands, Atkins takes TWO steps and still hits him. The OTHER defender in the area, WISELY understood the situation and pulled up and AVOIDED contact with Ben. So that's not on the officials, that's your own teams inability to control themselves at any point during the game.



That's 17 points that the refs DIDN'T hand the Steelers...

But lets REALLY dig into what lost you guys the game. It's tied 20-20. Bengals have the ball. They have been gouging the Steeler D with their shotgun inside running game with Bernard. It's 3rd and 2, the Bengals are in shotgun formation. What's your call here Marvin? Should be a simple run right? Get the first, extend the drive, keep the ball away from the Steelers. No the Bengals try to pass, the Steelers rush 3 and get a sack from Bud Dupree who doesn't let Dalton walk away this time around.

The refs didn't hand the Steelers the game. Poor decisions both by players AND coaches cost the Bengals the game. It's 3rd and 2 and you try passing it, in rainy conditions, when Bernard was getting 6-7 yards a pop on that little inside handoff. The Steelers didn't even crown the LOS on the play, it was there for the taking, and the Bengals just left it there.

So whine and cry about the officals, when you should be trying to figure out who your next coach is going to be.

 

[Steelin]

Perfect clock management. You guys have to start giving Tomlin his props. He being a poor game manager is a false narrative.

I'm pretty he's messed up enough to not be a false narrative. He is improving for sure.

 

[madinsomniac]

Reasons the bengals lost this game...
1. Not running at the team down multiple ilbs... who was subbing in a cb at ilb by the end of the game.
2. Having a safety trying to blow up the injured Brown all game and missing multiple opportunities to make plays on the ball and ultimately costing them a penalty when they could have used field position.
3. Having a qb that panics under pressure...
4. Committing a stupid jersey pull that negated a td
5. Not tackling bell on the sidelines
6. Letting brown get so open at the end of the half they had to commit a penalty just to keep him from getting the td... like seriously... why aren't they covering that deep shot?
... i mean i could go on... because any bengals collapse is always chock full of undisciplined, stupid, idiotic plays... but nah.. it was the refs...

 

[Stryker]

I'm pretty he's messed up enough to not be a false narrative. He is improving for sure.

I hear ya, but when is the last instance where Tomlin's clock management cost us a game? It wasn't this year.

And we scored at the end of both halves again this week as time expired on both. Doesn't get any better than that.

 

[waynehigh]

I hear ya, but when is the last instance where Tomlin's clock management cost us a game? It wasn't this year.

And we scored at the end of both halves again this week as time expired on both. Doesn't get any better than that.

"scored" gift fg right befor ehalf, that was not Def pass int, barely touched wr

 

[waynehigh]

You can't even complain properly if you don't even know how many of the games Lewis has lost because of the refs. The true answer, is 0.

Lets do a review of the horrible, by your standards, calls that "handed" the Steelers the game.

You say it all started with the Steelers down 17-0. So obviously it means the PI call on Brown. But before we get to that, how about we talk about how every NFL team knows that a draw or screen are what you call when deep in your own territory at the end of the half to determine if you're even going to try for points or not. Bell goes for 35 yards on a screen pass, making Kirkpatrick look silly yet again faking him out with a stutter step that gave Bell an additional 15 yards on the play. This gives the Steelers the ball at mid field with 11 seconds left. What do the Bengals do? Well they don't play deep safety to prevent any deep balls, so two horrible defensive calls by Cinci, but you're right. It's the refs fault here...

Anyway, on to the actual play with the penalty... Kirkpatrick is one on one with Brown, he is TOAST. Ben puts the ball on the money, if Kirkpatrick doesn't reach out and grab Brown, it's a walk in TD. Blame the refs, but that could have been 7 instead of 3.

You're next ***** is with the holding call on Bernard on Watt. By the rule, his hands are outside the shoulders, arm wrapped around Watt, jersey is grabbed... Sorry that's a hold. Even if we don't call that, the horrible holding call on the kick off return for the TD evens that one out. Both take TD's off the board for each team. It's a wash.

A few plays later, you guys leave Bell completely uncovered on a 2nd and 10, and then fail to even lay a hand on him on the sideline, with Jackson simply backing away and letting Bell run right by him.

Next, the Atkins roughin the passer. Like it was pointed out, it was 2nd and 5, not third down, not fourth down. Ball was out of Ben's hands, Atkins takes TWO steps and still hits him. The OTHER defender in the area, WISELY understood the situation and pulled up and AVOIDED contact with Ben. So that's not on the officials, that's your own teams inability to control themselves at any point during the game.



That's 17 points that the refs DIDN'T hand the Steelers...

But lets REALLY dig into what lost you guys the game. It's tied 20-20. Bengals have the ball. They have been gouging the Steeler D with their shotgun inside running game with Bernard. It's 3rd and 2, the Bengals are in shotgun formation. What's your call here Marvin? Should be a simple run right? Get the first, extend the drive, keep the ball away from the Steelers. No the Bengals try to pass, the Steelers rush 3 and get a sack from Bud Dupree who doesn't let Dalton walk away this time around.

The refs didn't hand the Steelers the game. Poor decisions both by players AND coaches cost the Bengals the game. It's 3rd and 2 and you try passing it, in rainy conditions, when Bernard was getting 6-7 yards a pop on that little inside handoff. The Steelers didn't even crown the LOS on the play, it was there for the taking, and the Bengals just left it there.

So whine and cry about the officals, when you should be trying to figure out who your next coach is going to be.

Brown was barely touched no def pass int, neither was the 2nd pass int (D Holding MAYBE), and ben was barely touched certainly not roughing passer if stafford gettin driven to ground by bal on sun, after ball is gone, isnt a flag, AND 5 yards on 3rd was NOT guaranteed, not holding when gio barely touched DE,AND TJ Watts finger wag shouldve been 15 for taunting, no call there either, not holding on yet another big play for cin, wouldve set up a fg att at least, and cin kicker had a good night, he's makin that one(maybe 45 yards), also I wish they wouldve of showed just 1 replay of the bell td with sound because im pretty sure a whistle blew causing bengals d to stop (maybe not, certainly seemed like they stopped for a reason though), but nothing done about it, and that WAS holding on the ko ret td, as soon as the replay started there was a pit player with a handful of a cin players jersey, thats holding, good call. Bengals made a few mistakes, but did way more than enough to win by 10-14+ points, except pit got 20+ points from the refs, never gonna win a game when its that one sided, ever, almost 160 pen yards on cin, nearly 100 of which were on bogus, phantom calls, in the 1st game pit was called for 1 penalty, refs couldnt do that this time, so they made up for it by giving pit a entire field of free yards and 20+ free points. 27 or 30 to 7 or 10 cin shouldve been the score, thats how much the refs influenced the scoreboard, and that is not their job, the players are supposed to influence the scoreboard, not the refs.

 

[SteelerSask2]

I would love to see a video of all the daggar moments the Steelers have inflicted on the bungles. All the playoff wins and all the final nail in their playoff hopes. Then Iscolate the exact moment Marvin Lewis' heart breaks.

 

[AggieSteel]

Brown was barely touched no def pass int, neither was the 2nd pass int (D Holding MAYBE), and ben was barely touched certainly not roughing passer if stafford gettin driven to ground by bal on sun, after ball is gone, isnt a flag, AND 5 yards on 3rd was NOT guaranteed, not holding when gio barely touched DE,AND TJ Watts finger wag shouldve been 15 for taunting, no call there either, not holding on yet another big play for cin, wouldve set up a fg att at least, and cin kicker had a good night, he's makin that one(maybe 45 yards), also I wish they wouldve of showed just 1 replay of the bell td with sound because im pretty sure a whistle blew causing bengals d to stop (maybe not, certainly seemed like they stopped for a reason though), but nothing done about it, and that WAS holding on the ko ret td, as soon as the replay started there was a pit player with a handful of a cin players jersey, thats holding, good call. Bengals made a few mistakes, but did way more than enough to win by 10-14+ points, except pit got 20+ points from the refs, never gonna win a game when its that one sided, ever, almost 160 pen yards on cin, nearly 100 of which were on bogus, phantom calls, in the 1st game pit was called for 1 penalty, refs couldnt do that this time, so they made up for it by giving pit a entire field of free yards and 20+ free points. 27 or 30 to 7 or 10 cin shouldve been the score, thats how much the refs influenced the scoreboard, and that is not their job, the players are supposed to influence the scoreboard, not the refs.

Omg you're still in here? Your team lost. No amount of whining you do is going to change the outcome, or even convince anybody that your team somehow "deserved" to win. They are the bungles. This is what they do. Wah wah "the refs" stfu, your team is a disaster waiting to happen. Every single loss is well deserved

 

[Stryker]

The best team won. And will continue to win, until the Bungles figure out how to play sound football instead of pointing fingers.

By far the most undisciplined team in the league.

 

[thesteelcity]

When Bell jogged into the endzone untouched, was that the ref's fault? When Brown caught the TD pass even after the head shot, the refs gave that to them, too? How about the phantom holding call of Bryant's TD return? Every game has good and bad calls. That's life in sports. It's Thursday and the Bungals still lost. That **** will not change.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I hear ya, but when is the last instance where Tomlin's clock management cost us a game? It wasn't this year.

And we scored at the end of both halves again this week as time expired on both. Doesn't get any better than that.

There was a time when CMVLT's time management was a detriment but as of late it has been a STRENGTH and I'll take that all game long. Great Job CMVLT, thank you.



Salute the nation

 

[insaniti]

Brown was barely touched no def pass int, neither was the 2nd pass int (D Holding MAYBE), and ben was barely touched certainly not roughing passer if stafford gettin driven to ground by bal on sun, after ball is gone, isnt a flag, AND 5 yards on 3rd was NOT guaranteed, not holding when gio barely touched DE,AND TJ Watts finger wag shouldve been 15 for taunting, no call there either, not holding on yet another big play for cin, wouldve set up a fg att at least, and cin kicker had a good night, he's makin that one(maybe 45 yards), also I wish they wouldve of showed just 1 replay of the bell td with sound because im pretty sure a whistle blew causing bengals d to stop (maybe not, certainly seemed like they stopped for a reason though), but nothing done about it, and that WAS holding on the ko ret td, as soon as the replay started there was a pit player with a handful of a cin players jersey, thats holding, good call. Bengals made a few mistakes, but did way more than enough to win by 10-14+ points, except pit got 20+ points from the refs, never gonna win a game when its that one sided, ever, almost 160 pen yards on cin, nearly 100 of which were on bogus, phantom calls, in the 1st game pit was called for 1 penalty, refs couldnt do that this time, so they made up for it by giving pit a entire field of free yards and 20+ free points. 27 or 30 to 7 or 10 cin shouldve been the score, thats how much the refs influenced the scoreboard, and that is not their job, the players are supposed to influence the scoreboard, not the refs.

*sigh*

You show just how LITTLE you know about football, and the rules of the game. Lets start with an easy one. Brown was barely touched according to you, meanwhile Kirkpatrick dove at AB, hitting him in the back of the legs causing him to stumble. It's contact with the ball in the air. Also Kirkpatrick failed to look for the ball, and the contact was early. It's as clear cut as PI gets.

Next, Ben getting hit. He was shoved from behind. You can even see Atkins duck his head. As I said before in my other post, the other Bengal player pulled up with no issue. Once the ball is gone, you cannot take TWO steps and hit a QB. This isn't 1990 anymore. Stafford wasn't driven into the ground, and he had JUST let the ball go as he was hit. Two completely different situations.

Bernard held Watt, who is not a DE, he's an OLB. His hands were OUTSIDE OF THE SHOULDER PADS, and when Watt made the swim move to get passed him, Bernards right arm was around his waist while his left hand had a fist full of jersey. Again, pretty obvious holding call.

The PI call on Bryant, you say it was defensive holding, and you would be right IF the ball hadn't already been thrown. Defensive holding is only called BEFORE the pass attempt. Once the ball is in the air, it turns into PI. The CB had a hold of Bryants left arm at the wrist. That's PI.

And I love how you don't even address the issues I brought up about the horrible play calling offensively and defensively for the Bengals, you immediately went back to whining like a two year old. But you can't even form a coherent sentence, let alone articulate a decent argument other than blaming the refs.

If the league ACTUALLY wanted the Steelers to win, and were trying to influence the game in ANY manner at all. The Bengals would never have had the lead at all. They would have called AJ Green for Offensive PI on the first TD when he pushed away Sensabaugh with his right arm like he was throwing a right hook. If the league really wanted the Steelers to win all these games that you claim are fixed, why would they suspend JuJu? Why did the Bengals safety get his suspension reduced to a fine for a clear helmet to helmet hit on AB?

Go back to your bungle jungle and lick your wounds. You have no idea what you are rambling on about anymore. You keep throwing numbers out there, and every single time they change.

 

[wig]

I find it fascinating that a 6'5" 250 lb QB was launched forward onto his face by being "barely touched". This would be the same QB recognized as the hardest in the league to bring down.

I guess they need to stop trying to tackle him and just start "barely touching" him.