.... the Bengals have missed the playoffs tge past two seasons and probably will again this year.... they are not the model to emulate
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.... the Bengals have missed the playoffs tge past two seasons and probably will again this year.... they are not the model to emulate
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Yes I agree, but that doesn’t make my statement wrong.Or make a stop or two on defense. That might have worked too
I was encouraged by the O Line and offense in general. The defense was faced with the best pair of receivers they will play all year and a QB that gives no ***** and is playing like there is no tomorrow. Flacco is a good passer when you give him great receivers. I am not giving the defense a pass, they have to make a few more stops but Flacco and the receivers will score a lot of points in games. I love the fact the offense despite 2 miscues kept us right in the game. Muth arrived on scene along with the other TE’s all contributing and we saw flashes from Wilson at WR.
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And Tomlin made zero adjustments in coverage at any time during the game. Horrible.
Edit....or if he did they didn't work.
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Honestly hanging any of this on the offense is like saying if Rodgers hadn't thrown any incomplete passes or Warren would have rushed for 10+ yards on every carry, Steelers would have won
The first interception was irrelevant
The second cost us points, but it was on Metcalf for getting stripped on his way out of bounds
If the result of a pass from outside of scoring territory ends up inside the other team's 30, it has no statistical difference from a punt unless you are trying o kill clock, which we were not. They got it on the 18. The score afterwards was purely on the D
The second pick did cost us... but it was more a fumble than a pick. Still the Donly had to defend for 40 seconds and they could not
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Flacco is not going to be facing a Tomlin/Austin coached defense every week going forward.
I'm not sure the Bengals' "invest everything in the passing game, and **** everything else" approach has been that great for them and worthy of emulation.
They have nothing on defense and cannot run the ball (unless they're playing the Steelers apparently).
Even with Burrow last year, they lost four games in which they scored over 30 points.
It's an offensive league, but the best teams each season are always the ones that find the proper balance between both sides of the ball.
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It's sad Smith is actually doing a decent job with the personnel on his side of the ball, but we have the chronic incompetence with Tomlins micromanagement of the defense
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it's also sad to have the best running game of the season last night and lose
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I was thinking about how Herbstreit kept going on and on about the 1200 pounds of beef wherever Darnell lined up on either side and running behind that and they were making some 90's Cowboy lanes for Warren on some nice runs. Made me think of how Cowher was like 108-1-1 with a 10 point lead or more and we're running better than at any point in a long time and blow a 10 point lead and let Chase catch 16 passes in 7 on 7 pitch and catch with a guy on the roster 10 days who obviously spooked Tomlin bad coming into the game.
The Steelers only have some semblance of some identity because a pro like Rodgers and maybe ever Arthur are on the sideline.
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I was thinking about how Herbstreit kept going on and on about the 1200 pounds of beef wherever Darnell lined up on either side and running behind that and they were making some 90's Cowboy lanes for Warren on some nice runs. Made me think of how Cowher was like 108-1-1 with a 10 point lead or more and we're running better than at any point in a long time and blow a 10 point lead and let Chase catch 16 passes in 7 on 7 pitch and catch with a guy on the roster 10 days who obviously spooked Tomlin bad coming into the game.
The Steelers only have some semblance of some identity because a pro like Rodgers and maybe ever Arthur are on the sideline.
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You're in the wrong place to try to assign blame where it belongs. On this board, the only acceptable reaction to any negative event is "Fire Tomlin." You can use any variation..here are some of my favs:
Tomlin can't tackle.
Tomlin can't cover.
Tomlin doesn't have the arm to go down field at this stage of his career
Tomlin can't rush the passer
Tomlin is a terrible OC
Tomlin can't evaluate college talent
Tomlins can't draft
The mighty Pittsburgh Steelers, in the minds of the mouth-breathing, intellectually disadvantaged slaves to cognitive bias who infest this board, is a one-man operation.
When things go wrong, blame Tomlin. When things go well, do not mention Tomlin. You'll do just fine here.
He has been here for almost 20 years now... the exact same things happen over and over again in the same situations. Its him. He is the only common denominator.
0-7 in Thursday night road games in the division
100% always rolls out the last game plan they used vs that team in that scenario. ... and those losses are mostly to the Bengals and Browns... two teams he historically trashes in their place.
He has too many known biases to be effective vs good teams anymore... The same thing where John Harbaugh gets overagressive on late game key defensive downs... everyone knows when he is going to call the widowmaker blitz... tomlin, on the other hand goes into a soft zone... so in the 4th a Ravens team on 3rd and forever is going to blitz everyone and get beat if the other team does pick it up.. a tomlin team is going to give up a pass in a seam to convert unless one of the 2-4 rushers makes it to the qb in time.
He just needs a change of scenery. His time is past here.
Cowher won when he let his assistants open things up more late in his career, but Tomlin mostly hires crap assistants, so that aint happening
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I'm not sure where Cinci's defense stacks up statistically but going into last night they were 32nd against the running back position in my CBS Sports fantasy league. Cinci was also 32nd against opposing defenses, but they lit our a$$ up. I guess having competent QB play helps. Maybe we watched film where having someone within 10 yards of their receivers was getting the job done.
Absolutely ridiculous. Turnovers are now “ irrelevant “. Good lord. The first int was on first down. Who cares whose fault it is. That wasn’t the point. I never said It was the main reason for the loss. Show me where I did. If you think 2 turnovers to zero turnovers has no relevance,I guess we should toss all TO stats out the window. It’s funny how when you usually win the TO game,you are usually on top of the scoreboard.
“ irrelevant “ turnovers on first down on your 30 with 5 minutes to go are now irrelevant” ……..and who cares if it was “ a fumble more than a pick”? It was a TO while they were driving down the field.
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Come on dude…just because Tomlin wanted to talk about the turnovers instead of his horrible defense after the game doesn’t mean you half to fall for it
You honestly think if we punted the ball down to almost the exact same spot Rodgers threw that first interception the defense would have stopped them on that drive?
How many points does the offense half to get Tomlins #1 paid defense in the league to win that game last night?
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It's amazing, isn't it? But everyone knows that if you are running the ball effectively it accomplishes two things. First you dominate TOP which rests your defense and wears out theirs. Second, it keeps the offense that you can't contain the Hell off the field. There is no legitimate argument to be made that they shouldn't have run the ball more last night. That hold by Frazier changed the momentum big time on that Warren TD, but they weren't stopping the run.
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Dude, what the hell are you talking about!?! Stop using tried and true methods of winning football games and get with the Mike Tomlin program for cripes sake!! Round here, we don't live in our fears and we do what we always do against opponents, imposing our will, finding comfort in discomfort, and defend every blade of grass...except the middle of the field...leave that the hell alone. Remember, tomorrow is promised to no one, and stats are for losers.
BTW, great having you back in the conversations, brother
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Yeah we played Zero D
Don’t stop the run or the pass
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Warren was some dude's "Start of the Week" in CBS Fantasy leagues. I have him on my team, but I didn't start him. I probably should have, and he had a decent night, but he could have probably had 300 yards and multiple TDs if they had given him the ball more often. Gainwell only had 3 carries, and he hasn't exactly sucked so far this year.
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I never said let's emulate the Bengals. I'm saying let's get a true # 2 in here and watch the whole game dynamic change. The defense will play well enough against most teams I think. We are way better than the Bengals D.
That receiver combo of the Bengals is exceptional, other people are going to struggle against them now that they gut Fuccco. The thing that got me was why after seeing Ramsey get roasted several times would you not give him help? I think we've all seen enough of Teryl Austin and I don't know what it's going to take for them to bring a real D coordinator in here.
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So then what went wrong? And who's to blame?
I can see where you are coming from because even I see how it's funny that TJ Watt did nothing, but not much complaining about him...for some reason some people don't seem to understand that your coverage in this defense is dependent on that pass rush getting there, or at least disturbing the passer.That is on the players not the coaches.
We saw none of that last night. I was screaming for them to yank Hightower as he was practically worthless out there and get Herbig in, now that IS on the coaching. We couldn't cover Chase because Ramsey is not the Ramsey of 2018...that became pretty clear, pretty quick, and we did nothing to help him. That IS on coaching.
As far as their running game running wild it seems we just got beat in the trenches.
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Agreed. Not on the defensive side for sure.
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Your opinion is excellent
I don't watch enough pro ball to know what Harbaugh does on 3rd & long late in games. Give us a couple examples
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The whole game felt like it was taken from a WWE script (and maybe it was). Steelers started off making it appear as though it would be a rout in the first quarter and then magically couldn't do anything until the beginning of the fourth quarter Then, in the final minutes, the Steelers decide to pass the ball to Freiermuth who raced into the endzone with minutes to spare. Add in some questionable officiating and just the right script for a nail-biter on the NFL's new forced product on Thursday night's for those blessed with Amazon Prime. All the while that defensive guru Shades looks on with his eyelids cut off. All too convenient in my book.