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68 offensive snaps last year. What is that? 1/16th of a season?
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68 offensive snaps last year. What is that? 1/16th of a season?
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Isn't that when Bell was 70-80%? You don't need anymore of a sample size. It wasn't until Week 6 until he averaged more than 4.1 YPC.
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I haven't seen or heard anything that makes me think BELL will do better than this last year's stat. If anything he is less prepared as it's a whole new OC and there are new plays with in our offense. PLEASE tell me if I missed it but what can you tell us about what makes you think BELL will come our firing on better cylinders???? Conner & JaySam would have a better shot at bettering last year's BELL stats than BELL would have due to the fact of knowing the O. I could care less of the individules involved but I do care of the TEAM wins & losses so I would have to use the better hand to play. Once BELL is up to speed, then best player available. NO that does NOT automatically put BELL in there as NONE of us know his mental state.
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That is exactly spot on. Even when he signs his contract no one will give up much for a rental player for a season. That franchise tag once he signs will follow him to his new team if he’s traded and they wouldn’t be able to negotiate with him until after the season.
And as I tried telling him in another post, as you have mentioned, Khalil Mack situation was completely different since he was under contract as the Raiders had picked up his 5th year option. Of course he could have been and was traded since he was under contract. I tried telling Coach as have others, but he doesn’t pay attention or lacks comprehension.
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That is exactly spot on. Even when he signs his contract no one will give up much for a rental player for a season. That franchise tag once he signs will follow him to his new team if he’s traded and they wouldn’t be able to negotiate with him until after the season.
And as I tried telling him in another post, as you have mentioned, Khalil Mack situation was completely different since he was under contract as the Raiders had picked up his 5th year option. Of course he could have been and was traded since he was under contract. I tried telling Coach as have others, but he doesn’t pay attention or lacks comprehension.
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Steelhurt, what size is your head??? If it is big enough then coach would have noticed and probably comprehended what you wrote. Coach has a penchant for sizing up the matter.
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If ypc were every mark of an RB..
.2 games is a terrible sample size.
Ive shown tbis before. Going into the last season who were considered the top 4 RB? Bell, Elliot, Johnson...i forget the other. Bells stats were insignificantly lower than Elliot, infinitely better than Johnson and, i believe insignificantly different than the 4th. Jordan/Murray/Adjai?
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He was at 4.1 ypc in games 3 and 4.
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It wasn't just his YPC, it was his play overall. Everyone could see Bell was a little bit slow getting started last season.
Which is why I said more than 4.1 yards per carry.
Roman Noodles...lol.
Seems to be quite a bit of animus regarding Bell around here. People don't want to ever see him in a Steelers uniform again, they're done with him, etc.
Can't agree. Personally, I'd like to see Bell show up as soon as possible, work himself back into shape quickly, and help the Steelers win games. He's one of the premier running backs in the NFL. No offense to Connor or Samuels, but once LB is up to speed, they can't hold the guy's jock.
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The only way you could trade him, I think, would be for Bell and his agent to work out a deal with another team, the Steelers work out a trade with said team, sign him for that amount, then trade him to the other team before the ink is dry. I'd still rather keep him for this season and get what you can get out of him.
No, I'm sick of his bullshit and don't want him around any longer than necessary.
I have tried to be calm and take deep breaths over the whole Bell situation. I get it that its purely a business and his advisers/agent are part of his problem. The recent contracts of Mack, Donald, Rogers, while at different positions and different player life cycle, show how out of control NFL salaries are.
I respect Bell as a player when his head is on straight, I do not respect him from a far as a person. The strip club videos, the attack the organization and fan base rap songs, the weed suspensions, late for walk through and his social media posts are just too much for this diehard fan to take.
Ben, Pouncy, Cam etc., are all saying the right things publicly, but I got a feeling internally they all have had enough of his BS Sorry for the rant I am so done with Bell
I respect Bell as a player when his head is on straight, I do not respect him from a far as a person. The strip club videos, the attack the organization and fan base rap songs, the weed suspensions, late for walk through and his social media posts are just too much for this diehard fan to take.
Ben, Pouncy, Cam etc., are all saying the right things publicly, but I got a feeling internally they all have had enough of his BS Sorry for the rant I am so done with Bell
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Since the renegotiate period is over we can't sign for anything other than the tag.
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Actually they could increase the compensation on the tag amount. If they so desire the 14.5 could be bumped up but it’s only good on the tag and nothing else.
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Dude wants others to put him on a pedestal (which is probably what he has gotten his whole sporting life due to his athletic skills). I believe when the deadline came and went for a deal that he intended to report for game 1 and have his "best season ever". But, something changed - that something is the Gurley deal. Throw in that Mack got what he wanted by holding out (although an entirely different situation than Bell), I figure he has decided to sit out quite a while. He probably believes some team is going to make up for whatever he loses this season (and he is probably right) and he isn't going to minimize his injury risk. But, the bottom line is the guy is all about himself and that is his right. But if I am his teammates, I am just putting him on ignore and going about my duties. If a reporter asks, I am saying "My focus is the Browns." If Bell calls or texts, I am putting him on ignore - "Sorry dude, I have work to do. Catch me in the offseason."
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The issue here is not head size. It's waist size. Is Bell in football shape or has he ate and drank too much? Even if he's in shape, his timing is going to be off a bit.
Any way you slice it, he has hurt his team.
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Back in the good old says, Joe Greene, Jack Lambert or Gregg Lloyd would have beaten the crap out of such a player on the practice field. There's no way Chuck Noll would stand for this crap, and I'll speculate a bit and say the same for Dan Rooney who didn't fold to Merriweather's demands and traded him.
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but compared to those other top RB's it wasn't significantly different from them while they were at training camp.
I see, way to split hairs there Coach. I assume you chose "more than 4.1" because it got you to the 6th game before he "performed to an arbitrary standard". Ben was sacked 6 times in the first 3 games. Might that be an indication that the OL might have started out slow, too?
Elliot, who was supposed to be a top RB, too, had 4.3 his first game, then not above 4 until game 6. he only had 3 games all year above the magical 4.1. Missed games (injury or suspension?) that Bell didn't have to deal with last year even though he is "injury prone" and had more touches than ever before. Elliot was in Tranining camp. Bell had 5 games over 4.1.
By game 4, Bell had 3 TD's, Elliot had 2.
McCoy started the season with 5 ypc. the next two games were under 2 ypc.
Gurley had 2.1 the first game and 4.0 the second game.
For 32 teams, it appears that 5 RB's started the season with something reasonably consistent with the "over 4.1" standard (i.e. 3 out of 4) over the first 4 games and had enough carries to really apply. Hunt for KC, Cook for Minn (got hurt or suspended and missed games 5-16), Anderson for Den, Henry for TN (game 4 was 1.2) I can't remember the other and there might have been 6.
All 32 teams had RB's there for training camp, presumably. Our OL, which I considered playing less well than expected started the season slow, too, and would have had some effect on Bell's effectiveness.
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So you lower the standard for Bell, a guy who wants to blow the top off the RB market, because of how other RBs performed. Got it.
I'm not the guy who claimed Bell at 70% is still better than the next guy. I put Conner behind that same line and I bet he can average 3.2 yards per carry.
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I didn't lower any standard. I was showing you that other top RBs who WERE in camp, didn't meet the standard you set. They didn't quit being top RBs, so what else is going on?
I'm not even saying that sitting out camp didn't affect Bell, at all. I'm suggesting, with some back up, that the degree was relatively insignificant.
If you couldn't see that the OL was underperforming in those games, you are willfully ignoring the obvious because you want to believe the only reason was because of missing camp.
I hope connor can perform better. As a short-term solution, he may work out great. I'm excited to see what JaySam can do. Unfortunately, the only information we have on Connor is that he lasted 68 offensive snaps last year. Not touches, snaps. Can he hold up as a #1 or swapping out with JaySam? I'm not as sure.
so we work out a trade with a team who has ample cap space interested in a RB.
All trades must be completed by Oct 30.
If I'm the Steelers, I really work this behind closed doors.
Next year, the Bills have $76 mil in cap space. I'd be on the phone with them. I'd be asking for LeSean McCoy in return, knowing his contract expires in 2019. The Bills can then afford to pay LeVeon what he wants, and do so with hardly any issue. We'd get McCoy for two seasons, and have the ability to not only keep plugging forward with a #1RB, but also have surplus cap space when McCoy's contact runs out. Buffalo has $7 mil in cap space, and I assume would be able to fit LeVeon under their cap if McCoy is traded.
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/