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Tariffs

Switching to red is a really big deal. Thats bigger than Burgundy getting a Dodge.

And with all the Indian cheaper tractors being spread around the globe, it seems normal competitive factors are also stacked against JD.
I will allow that Mrs. Burgundy only rolls in Chrysler minivans. She insists on the seats that fold into the floor. Kids are grown and gone but if you have an 80 pound dog you need a minivan.
 
I still use my Grandfather's John Deere 110 mower that he converted to a Honda engine years ago. If I'm not mistaken it is a 1965 or 66 mower. Nothing fancy but gets the job done with zero issues.

I thought about getting into the refurbishment game in my retirement, but am afraid I would be too busy.
I keep repairing my 2003 Craftsman which is a JD with a different paint code. Replacing the tires and mower deck cable every couple years sure beats buying the crap they roll out these days,
 
I still use my Grandfather's John Deere 110 mower that he converted to a Honda engine years ago. If I'm not mistaken it is a 1965 or 66 mower. Nothing fancy but gets the job done with zero issues.

I thought about getting into the refurbishment game in my retirement, but am afraid I would be too busy.
I’ll hang on to this tractor until it falls apart. If you own a company that charges 3x as much for a product than what it cost 5-6 years ago, you can’t be surprised when people turn away looking to save money. You can blame it on whatever you want, but the fact remains that if you offer a good product at a fair price, people will buy it. Greed has infested every facet of society. Tariffs and taxes are simply convenient excuses.
 
Well, yeah. When you’re charging $3300 for a run of the mill lawn tractor, people will go buy something cheaper. I bought a Cub Cadet in 2019 for $899. That same tractor costs about $2400 now. You lose money that way.
The value of the dollar has gone to total **** since then. Paying people not to work during a scamdemic, supplying Ukraine with aid, funding all sorts of unbelievable **** and to top it off generate documented kickbacks with printed money will do that. It is totally amazing we are not paying for a loaf of bread with a wheelbarrow full of dollars.

Sorry...
 
My latest ex-wife loved yardwork and she did it all. I let her have the Husqvarna mower in the divorce 5 years ago. Now I just hire Mexicans.
 
My latest ex-wife loved yardwork and she did it all. I let her have the Husqvarna mower in the divorce 5 years ago. Now I just hire Mexicans.
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We learn today that US Law does not give POTUS the magicl ability to apply tariffs based on his whim.

What a surprise.


Apparently the Constitution gives taxation powers to Congress, not POTUS, as was clearly articulated many months ago.
Appeals court rulings don’t mean squat, when SCOTUS weighs in then we will see. Those appeals courts are stocked with leftist judges that only rule opposite of what Trump does, or wants to do. Rational arguments don’t even factor into the equation.
 
Appeals court rulings don’t mean squat, when SCOTUS weighs in then we will see. Those appeals courts are stocked with leftist judges that only rule opposite of what Trump does, or wants to do. Rational arguments don’t even factor into the equation.
it's about the separation of powers in the Constitution.
 
Congress to decide tariffs? That would have thought leaders AOC, Crockett, Maxine, and others to craft a tariff plan. That's a really bad idea.
 
Article 1, section 8 states that the power lies with Congress to levy tariffs. However it also authorizes the President to adjust tariff rates in specific situations relating to national security or unfair trade practices.

While I think the blanket tariffs are mostly a stupid policy, targeted tariffs to those countries abusing our generosity is the way to go. It is what should have been done from the beginning. It would avoid a lot of the nonsense.

Ok, maybe a little of the nonsense.

Ok, probably wouldn’t avoid any nonsense, but it would hold up better in court.
 
Article 1, section 8 states that the power lies with Congress to levy tariffs. However it also authorizes the President to adjust tariff rates in specific situations relating to national security or unfair trade practices.

While I think the blanket tariffs are mostly a stupid policy, targeted tariffs to those countries abusing our generosity is the way to go. It is what should have been done from the beginning. It would avoid a lot of the nonsense.

Ok, maybe a little of the nonsense.

Ok, probably wouldn’t avoid any nonsense, but it would hold up better in court.
It was your biz leaders, their shareholders and the politicians they paid, for the past couple generations, that benefited from gutting the middle and working classes in America.

It was kleptocracy, "regime change" and led by the MIC. Pharma, tech, ag and manufacturing just followed that lead.

It sure as hell was never "American generosity".

And if there is a SCOTUS verdict that upholds the rationale for Trump needing blanket Emergency powers to combat this kleptocracy, just think of how that will get wielded by the next guy.
 
The world has been ripping the US off for decades. They need us more than we need them. The tariffs haven't been the end of the world like so many on here said they would be. The US has brought in billions form them. It has also brought people to the table to make deals. Once again our President is playing chess and all the haters are playing checkers.
 
The world has been ripping the US off for decades. They need us more than we need them. The tariffs haven't been the end of the world like so many on here said they would be. The US has brought in billions form them. It has also brought people to the table to make deals. Once again our President is playing chess and all the haters are playing checkers.
The political class and corporate leadership has been ripping off the American people for decades. Ross Perot clearly articulated this.
How do tariffs resolve American kleptocracy?

This kleptocracy is just as bad in other countries, but the reason the US imports so much stuff is that Walmart and Amazon prefer foreign goods because that's what they stock.
 
It is undeniable that President Trump, using only the threat of tariffs, has been able to lead/leverage several countries into short situations that appear to benefit the US, and are thusly yuugely popular for most Americans.
This is because regular free thinking Americans realize we are being take advantage of word wide and Trump is the ONLY one trying to address this issue.
Today, as we watch President Trump unveiled a new set/round of actual tariffs that maybe be about long term economic changes, what do you think about tariffs and the benefits/costs or pros/cons?
This is a benefit to American producers by making tariffed products less economically attractive. American’s also get to choose if they want to pay specific tariffs.
Who really benefits: the average citizen or a small group directly related to a specific tariff?
It depends on whether you are fixated on short or long term change. I myself am looking long term, because I don’t fixate on shiny objects like most people. It took us decades to get into this mess, it will take years of continuous efforts to make any meaningful change.
Will this new set of policies help you directly, or will it harm you? More importantly --- why?
Sure it will be costly to me to an extent, most of which I can and will control. Will I buy a new vehicle that is tariffed? Not on your life, but I will pay for a tariffed repair part if I have NO OTHER OPTION. Do I feel sorry for the UAW workers that will lose jobs because of reduced sales, not one bit, as their greed contributed to the issue of moving production out of the States. They weren’t the WHOLE reason, but they were part of it.
 
This is because regular free thinking Americans realize we are being take advantage of word wide and Trump is the ONLY one trying to address this issue.

This is a benefit to American producers by making tariffed products less economically attractive. American’s also get to choose if they want to pay specific tariffs.

It depends on whether you are fixated on short or long term change. I myself am looking long term, because I don’t fixate on shiny objects like most people. It took us decades to get into this mess, it will take years of continuous efforts to make any meaningful change.

Sure it will be costly to me to an extent, most of which I can and will control. Will I buy a new vehicle that is tariffed? Not on your life, but I will pay for a tariffed repair part if I have NO OTHER OPTION. Do I feel sorry for the UAW workers that will lose jobs because of reduced sales, not one bit, as their greed contributed to the issue of moving production out of the States. They weren’t the WHOLE reason, but they were part of it.
 
It was your biz leaders, their shareholders and the politicians they paid, for the past couple generations, that benefited from gutting the middle and working classes in America.

It was kleptocracy, "regime change" and led by the MIC. Pharma, tech, ag and manufacturing just followed that lead.

It sure as hell was never "American generosity".

And if there is a SCOTUS verdict that upholds the rationale for Trump needing blanket Emergency powers to combat this kleptocracy, just think of how that will get wielded by the next guy.
I would add that excess government regulation, especially in the steel and automotive industries, made those things not cost-competitive to make in the U.S. and production shifted to countries with less regulations along with lower wages. But it wasn't just lower wages.
 
With the rise of AI and integration into day to day business, I wonder if it isn’t time for AI to take over the lower courts and interpretation of constitutionality of laws and actions.

I think we would see less biased rulings, quicker rulings and more cost effectiveness. SCOTUS would still be in play and the final say.

The courts are supposed to be there to interpret the laws as written and to determine Constitutionality of those laws. What better use of AI could there be? This would mean that if deemed to be constitutional, the laws would then be implemented as written, not as someone wants them to be. If the outcome doesn’t have the desired effect, the laws can be addressed by Congress.
 
With the rise of AI and integration into day to day business, I wonder if it isn’t time for AI to take over the lower courts and interpretation of constitutionality of laws and actions.

I think we would see less biased rulings, quicker rulings and more cost effectiveness. SCOTUS would still be in play and the final say.

The courts are supposed to be there to interpret the laws as written and to determine Constitutionality of those laws. What better use of AI could there be? This would mean that if deemed to be constitutional, the laws would then be implemented as written, not as someone wants them to be. If the outcome doesn’t have the desired effect, the laws can be addressed by Congress.
Depends who's programming the AI. Probably the Lefties in Silicon Valley so I wouldn't put much stock in it being accurate or impartial.
 
There is that I guess. Without any biased programing it might work.
It's not like they'd tweak Search results on Google and YouTube so Conservative and Republican things don't show up. :rolleyes:
 
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