Tariffs

[MT~Forged]

Awesome. It will be great to understand the greatness of Trump's first "full and comprehensive" trade deal with an ally since Trump's last trade deal with an ally (USMCA).

Agreed, it will be nice to actually see what is being agreed to. Since neither you or I have any idea, your hand wringing and "The sky is falling" position is premature, but that is what ALL Anti -Trumpers do ALL the time about everything.

Who got fired by Trump for making that last deal? When did he know it was so terrible? What made it iso terrible: the US economy grew much faster than it's trading partners, which is actually the point of trade.....

Trump over sensationalizes everything, it's just his manner, and all you haters look stupid when you fall for it every time. Maybe, just maybe, if you would wait to see what actually happens instead of making up Red Herrings to get upset over, you would be taken more seriously.

Cannot wait to see the first details of 4D chess trade agreements!!!

Why? You have already told everyone many times what the results ALREADY ARE.

(See news on Trump and USMCA in 2018 for context:

1 October 2018

Donald Trump said the new trade deal struck with Canada and Mexico was "the most important" ever agreed by the US.

The president said the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), which replaces Nafta, would bring thousands of jobs back to North America.

Speaking at the White House, Mr Trump said the new pact vindicated his threats over trade tariffs.

The new deal covered trade between the three countries worth $1.2trn and was "truly historic", he said.

It was also "the biggest trade deal in the United States history", he told a press conference.)

The fact that Trump wasn't happy with how the original deal turned out through negotiations, doesn't mean that it wasn't better than the previous deal.

If YOU think that you deserve a $1.00 an hour raise at your job, but only get $0.25, that doesn't mean you can't still feel like you are being screwed. Now move 4 years further along and now feel you need an additional $1.00, I think you would feel the same as Trump. Yes, the USMCA was better than NAFTA that it replaced, but Trump still thinks it wasn't as great as what he originally wanted. Why is this so hard for you to accept?

 

[MT~Forged]

Trade works in both directions, just like in football. The trade is for things of equal value, always.

Trades are NEVER equal, otherwise money would not be involved at all. You would just trade a barrel of oil for a barrel of wheat, or an Aston Martin for a Toyota Corolla.

The whole point of Trump's trade expectations are that you allow country A to attempt sell ANYTHING to country B that their markets will accept WITH ZERO BARRIERS to that trade. Then country A will do the same for ANYTHING that country B wants to sell into country A. No barriers of any kind. it is really very simple. Let the markets decide what they are willing to buy themselves.

 

[MT~Forged]

4D chess in action:

"A group representing General Motors, Ford and Stellantis blasted President Trump’s trade deal announced with the United Kingdom, saying it would harm the US auto sector.

The biggest harm to the US auto sector is how much their cars cost because of greed throughout the system. UK is not going to be sending <$20k economy cars to the States and undercutting all the sales of the USMCA made <$20k economy cars.

British carmakers will be given a quota of 100,000 cars a year that can be sent to the United States at a 10% tariff rate, almost the total Britain exported last year, compared to 25% for Mexico and Canada and nearly all other countries.

Who cares, this does not mean shyte to regular everyday Americans. All this means to everyday Americans is that we will get something of all instead of all of nothing.

Under this deal, it will now be cheaper to import a UK vehicle with very little US content than a USMCA compliant vehicle from Mexico or Canada that is half American parts,” said the American Automotive Policy Council, which represents the Detroit Three automakers. “This hurts American automakers, suppliers, and auto workers.”

https://nypost.com/2025/05/08/business/us-automakers-furious-at-trumps-trade-deal-with-uk-and-heres-why?utm_source=nypost&utm_campaign=android_nyp&utm_medium=social

Lots more Land Rovers for the DC/Miami/LA folks!

Except for the pesky fact that those cars are of such a price point that it is comparing apples to oranges. No everyday American is going to choose to buy a Land Rover at 5x the price instead of a Ford Focus because the tariff is only 10% instead of 25%.

Also, your claim that it is cheaper to import and buy a UK Vehicle is straight up bullshyte. a $200k vehicle is NOT cheaper to buy than a $50k vehicle. if the tariff was applied simply, the 200K vehicle tariff would be $20k, the $50k vehicle would be $12.5k. AGAIN, you are just making shyte up.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Agreed, it will be nice to actually see what is being agreed to. Since neither you or I have any idea, your hand wringing and "The sky is falling" position is premature, but that is what ALL Anti -Trumpers do ALL the time about everything.

We live in an instant gratification world thanks to the interwebs. Not saying that Confluence sides with the brain-dead libtards, because most of the time he doesn't,
it's just that on this particular issue; patience does not appear to be his virtue. We can't project what will happen, unless you're a far-left wack-job that bases their opinion on a minute-by-minute basis, and when their premise turns out to be incorrect, they don't apologize but simply move on to the next made-up crisis. That reminds me of someone here, although their name escapes me.

Here's my take in song:

Trump over sensationalizes everything, it's just his manner, and all you haters look stupid when you fall for it every time. Maybe, just maybe, if you would wait to see what actually happens instead of making up Red Herrings to get upset over, you would be taken more seriously.

 

[Confluence]

Trades are NEVER equal, otherwise money would not be involved at all. You would just trade a barrel of oil for a barrel of wheat, or an Aston Martin for a Toyota Corolla.

with all due respect, you trade cash for an exact amount of groceries, auto parts, gasoline, beer whatever. Trading things without cash is called barter and generally only happens in very poor economies or with friends who exchange without cash. You could read up on this for clarification.

The whole point of Trump's trade expectations are that you allow country A to attempt sell ANYTHING to country B that their markets will accept WITH ZERO BARRIERS to that trade. Then country A will do the same for ANYTHING that country B wants to sell into country A. No barriers of any kind. it is really very simple. Let the markets decide what they are willing to buy themselves.

Glad you understand Trump's deal, because he doesn't seem to. Or care about the terms he changes on a whim. Perhaps you could lend your acumen before this becomes a real issue.

 

[Confluence]

The biggest harm to the US auto sector is how much their cars cost because of greed throughout the system. UK is not going to be sending <$20k economy cars to the States and undercutting all the sales of the USMCA made <$20k economy cars.

Who cares, this does not mean shyte to regular everyday Americans. All this means to everyday Americans is that we will get something of all instead of all of nothing.

Except for the pesky fact that those cars are of such a price point that it is comparing apples to oranges. No everyday American is going to choose to buy a Land Rover at 5x the price instead of a Ford Focus because the tariff is only 10% instead of 25%.

Also, your claim that it is cheaper to import and buy a UK Vehicle is straight up bullshyte. a $200k vehicle is NOT cheaper to buy than a $50k vehicle. if the tariff was applied simply, the 200K vehicle tariff would be $20k, the $50k vehicle would be $12.5k. AGAIN, you are just making shyte up.

Your ability to comprehend is far greater than the Brits and the combined efforts of the three largest AMERICAN automakers who's words you dispute above. Clearly their expertise is overshadowed by you. Step in and set them straight already.

Just to be clear: that was from the linked article; perhaps a re-read would be enlightening.

 

[Confluence]

We live in an instant gratification world thanks to the interwebs. Not saying that Confluence sides with the brain-dead libtards, because most of the time he doesn't,
it's just that on this particular issue; patience does not appear to be his virtue. We can't project what will happen, unless you're a far-left wack-job that bases their opinion on a minute-by-minute basis, and when their premise turns out to be incorrect, they don't apologize but simply move on to the next made-up crisis. That reminds me of someone here, although their name escapes me.

Here's my take in song:

With all due respect, their are millions of folks around the globe with decent experience in domestic and international trade; companies have massive departments to handle this. Plus all of Switzerland, lol.

Does that mean barriers should not be reduced? not at all. But it also means that there exists many with expertise in this regard, and they seem to be disregarded by the guy who got Boeing booted from China -- and responded by by helping Boeing sell more to Brits at the expense of US automakers and their employees.

Don't believe me; google Fortune's story with Boeing:

"Boeing's CEO is trying to find buyers for 50 planes after Chinese airlines cancelled their orders amid Trump's trade war. Boeing CEO Kelly Ortberg said Wednesday that he doesn't expect the U.S. trade war with China to forestall the company's financial recovery.Apr 23, 2025"

Hey, at least he's trying to unfuckup his own mess. Nice!

 

[ZonaBurgh]

With all due respect, their are millions of folks around the globe with decent experience in domestic and international trade; companies have massive departments to handle this. Plus all of Switzerland, lol.

Does that mean barriers should not be reduced? not at all. But it also means that there exists many with expertise in this regard, and they seem to be disregarded by the guy who got Boeing booted from China -- and responded by by helping Boeing sell more to Brits at the expense of US automakers and their employees.

Don't believe me; google Fortune's story with Boeing:

"Boeing's CEO is trying to find buyers for 50 planes after Chinese airlines cancelled their orders amid Trump's trade war. Boeing CEO Kelly Ortberg said Wednesday that he doesn't expect the U.S. trade war with China to forestall the company's financial recovery.Apr 23, 2025"

Hey, at least he's trying to unfuckup his own mess. Nice!

I'm a science major, not an economics major and everything I know is from Econ 101, so I honestly can say I don't know regarding this issue. I am, however, old enough and wise enough to know that the outcome of the tariffs won't be known for months and possibly years. I'm willing to wait and see, it can't be worse than doing nothing.

You may be absolutely correct in your opinion, but it's not a road I'm willing to travel yet.

 

[JMM]

I'm a science major, not an economics major and everything I know is from Econ 101, so I honestly can say I don't know regarding this issue. I am, however, old enough and wise enough to know that the outcome of the tariffs won't be known for months and possibly years. I'm willing to wait and see, it can't be worse than doing nothing.

You may be absolutely correct in your opinion, but it's not a road I'm willing to travel yet.

I may just be a country hick but those who are so up in arms about the tariffs were likely making a mint on the US Government's former ways of doing business and bankrupting us along the way to their own benefits. **** em

 

[Confluence]

 

[MT~Forged]

with all due respect, you trade cash for an exact amount of groceries, auto parts, gasoline, beer whatever. Trading things without cash is called barter and generally only happens in very poor economies or with friends who exchange without cash. You could read up on this for clarification.

YOU made the implication that trades are always fair and equal. I made the point that they are not always fair or equal. Each person determines the value they place on any trade item, as it should be in a free trade arrangement.

Glad you understand Trump's deal, because he doesn't seem to. Or care about the terms he changes on a whim. Perhaps you could lend your acumen before this becomes a real issue.

I could be wrong, it happens on rare occasions, but I still subscribe to the “judge based on actions, not Red Herrings created by haters”

 

[MT~Forged]

Your ability to comprehend is far greater than the Brits and the combined efforts of the three largest AMERICAN automakers who's words you dispute above. Clearly their expertise is overshadowed by you. Step in and set them straight already.

Just to be clear: that was from the linked article; perhaps a re-read would be enlightening.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. Have you ever considered that they are trying to protect their own interest above everything else? One way to do this is to curate positive public support with misleading information to those not willing to question what they are being told.

 

[Confluence]

YOU made the implication that trades are always fair and equal. I made the point that they are not always fair or equal. Each person determines the value they place on any trade item, as it should be in a free trade arrangement.

I said trades are always for things of equal value at the time of a trade. You buy a stock with cash; at the time of the trade, both are exactly equal.....down the road one has more value, in hindsight.

I am all for free trade and always have been. Probably the most libertarian poster on this board.

I could be wrong, it happens on rare occasions, but I still subscribe to the “judge based on actions, not Red Herrings created by haters”

Dude,
I'm not a hater. WTF?
I am a realist.
Most of the western world has had **** leadership, politically, for the past two generations.
The US is clearly in this situation.

Trump is likely the best POTUS the US has had since Reagan, maybe Nixon (did more/better for US hegemony than most will understand) or Kennedy.

But Trump is still a conman and an *******, clearly narcissistic and a liar.

And he is way better for the US than SleepyCreepy/Bomma/Bushes/Clinton.

No one says everyone has to love a leader. Many very proficient folks are great at what they do, but ******** in their life. Trump is both of these at once. And that is ok.

But he makes mistakes, like he is demonstrating with his putting Boeing ahead of Ford/GM because he fuucked Boeing a few weeks ago. I'm just pointing out, repeatedly, that he is making obvious errors.

Fanboys need their hero to be perfect, so I'm sorry to upset you. I will greatly cheer for a global leader, like Trump, who can hit above .300 for a few years.

 

[MT~Forged]

I said trades are always for things of equal value at the time of a trade. You buy a stock with cash; at the time of the trade, both are exactly equal.....down the road one has more value, in hindsight.

I am all for free trade and always have been. Probably the most libertarian poster on this board.

Dude,
I'm not a hater. WTF?

The “hater” comment wasn’t directed at you specifically, it was more about all those that are 1000% against anything he does.

I am a realist.
Most of the western world has had **** leadership, politically, for the past two generations.
The US is clearly in this situation.

There are things I dislike about Trump, but it isn’t MOST of his economic, border or foreign policies. Any country that elects career politicians is just asking to be ******. You have enjoyed that in Canada for as long as I can remember, as well as we have here in the US.

Trump is likely the best POTUS the US has had since Reagan, maybe Nixon (did more/better for US hegemony than most will understand) or Kennedy.

In many ways I think Trump is better than Reagan was. That being said, they both are/were better than anything in the last 100+ years

But Trump is still a conman and an *******, clearly narcissistic and a liar.

I won’t go so far as to label him a conman. His brashness and take no shyte attitude is what makes him right for the job. It would be better if he would quit playing fast and loose with the though, there really isn’t any reason not to tell the world the unvarnished truth.

And he is way better for the US than SleepyCreepy/Bomma/Bushes/Clinton.

Unequivocally

No one says everyone has to love a leader. Many very proficient folks are great at what they do, but ******** in their life. Trump is both of these at once. And that is ok.

Yep

But he makes mistakes, like he is demonstrating with his putting Boeing ahead of Ford/GM because he fuucked Boeing a few weeks ago. I'm just pointing out, repeatedly, that he is making obvious errors.

Opinions differ on how he is handling things, we will have to agree to disagree here

Fanboys need their hero to be perfect, so I'm sorry to upset you. I will greatly cheer for a global leader, like Trump, who can hit above .300 for a few years.

I am no more a “fanboy” than you are a “hater”. Nobody is perfect, though many think that if he isn’t perfect, then he is 100% wrong, 100% of the time. Too many people react to what he says, and what his “haters” say is happening, without waiting to see what is actually DONE and how that turns out over a period of time. I could care less what is said, I wait to see what is DONE. At this point very little has actually been done, so we have no idea what the results will be. I do know that the so called “experts” are almost always proven to be wrong, because they are more interested in being first to say something instead of waiting to report truthfully on actions.

 

[Troglodyte]

GB and India 2 down plenty to go. They need us we don't need them. Keep on hating. TDS is a terrible thing.

Kinda like we need China while they don’t need our 12% of their trade.