The BAR has been set………(not peyote) H-I-G-H

[Drink IRON City]

Exactly.

Lose HoF QB to possibly career ending elbow injury, use top pick for a safety. That left a hole that has never been properly filled.

Minkah was a great addition, but like Najee, the wrong guy with that #1 pick.

I’ve said it many of times…………………..

Re-action——- instead of—— PRO-ACTION

With Kahn & Wiedl doing there thing more intensely, I see change coming about. The players seem more character friendly / not keeping troublesome players nearly as long / possible softening on scheme and player position intent / others.

This does NOT mean Coach Tomlin is giving up all that he should, or changing to a more humble coach.

It does mean that maybe there is the potential for a plan with follow up plan.

Again, Tomlin has always shown in the past that he re-action and no PRO-Action.

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[WindyCitySteel]

Exactly.

Lose HoF QB to possibly career ending elbow injury, use top pick for a safety. That left a hole that has never been properly filled.

Minkah was a great addition, but like Najee, the wrong guy with that #1 pick.

If we don’t trade for him and STILL go 8-8 (doubtful), Love was still on the board. If we don’t trade for him and likely lose 2-3 more, they’re picking top 10, maybe top 5.

Just an abysmal stretch of team building from 2018-2022.

 

[SteelerSask2]

She was s-faced drunk and flirted with him and he was like "yuck" and boy she got her revenge.

I'm just hoping there won't be a Brett Favre style Netflix doc on Big Ben. I think he's a pretty good family man. And like I always say. I don't know how good of a person I'd be if thrust into that kinda fame. Women throwing themselves.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I'm just hoping there won't be a Brett Favre style Netflix doc on Big Ben. I think he's a pretty good family man. And like I always say. I don't know how good of a person I'd be if thrust into that kinda fame. Women throwing themselves.

Brett Favre did way worse than what BEN did.

Brett’s was a stalking period of time with the dick pics, Ben had an allegation against him.

Add in the deceit of stealing money from the very poor and you have a down-right bad entitled ****-head in Favre.

Ben changed his way and has lived by that change to the full degree.




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[SteelerSask2]

Brett Favre did way worse than what BEN did.

Brett’s was a stalking period of time with the dick pics, Ben had an allegation against him.

Add in the deceit of stealing money from the very poor and you have a down-right bad entitled ****-head in Favre.

Ben changed his way and has lived by that change to the full degree.




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Let's be clear DIC. Im not saying anything negative about Ben. But there are many seasons and they always look for content. And many do not let the truth stand in the way of a story.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Let's be clear DIC. Im not saying anything negative about Ben. But there are many seasons and they always look for content. And many do not let the truth stand in the way of a story.

I fully hear yaz SteelerSask2 !!!!

Take the Ben “event” on how over-blown that whole thing went. It even had a States Attorney call a press conference so he could “bravado” his 5 minutes of fame.

The press can extort any scenario into a MAJOR story, justified or not.



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[SteelerSask2]

I fully hear yaz SteelerSask2 !!!!

Take the Ben “event” on how over-blown that whole thing went. It even had a States Attorney call a press conference so he could “bravado” his 5 minutes of fame.

The press can extort any scenario into a MAJOR story, justified or not.



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I always look at it like this. He probably acted like an ******* and did some stuff you wouldn't want your daughter subjected too. But it didn't rise to the level of some of this other stuff. He definitely paid a price but also seemed to learn. He caused the franchise mo embarrassment after. At least outwardly he seems to be good husband father.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I always look at it like this. He probably acted like an ******* and did some stuff you wouldn't want your daughter subjected too. But it didn't rise to the level of some of this other stuff. He definitely paid a price but also seemed to learn. He caused the franchise mo embarrassment after. At least outwardly he seems to be good husband father.

Yes SIR, Ben was held to a way higher standard than many others.

Rayray the knife is a good example. Another would be the chlorine spilling Suggs & domestic violence. Ray rice would have gotten away with a KO until the league was forced to do something, and yet BEN was crucified.

Ben paid a price, way higher than the surrounding peeps. He also has been punished professionally in not getting SB MVP, league MVP, never acknowledged for accomplishment in the public eye, Look how Coach Tomlin treated his last couple years here, acted like Ben was a rookie (audibles & play calling)/ no OL support / amongst others.

Despite all this prejudice, Ben excelled in one of the greatest QB career performances ever.



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[Steel Maniac]

Run First quarterbacks do not win Super Bowls. See Lamar Jackson for reference to that. As a Steeler fan, I've zero concern about the Ravens every winning a Super Bowl as long as they don't have a legit, passing QB. Lamar isn't a legitmate passing QB. Last year, he had his best year because of Derrick Henry drawing the defense up to handle him. Take Henry out the equation (like we did in the first game last year) and Lamar Jackson is the same old none-passing cornball he's always been. Hurts is a better QB all around. Hurts can really pass (had two thousand yard wide receivers his first year with Brown & Smith). But Hurts is mobile and has timely runs to keep the chains moving. Hurts I respect.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Not surprised at all.

Tomlin hasn’t had to deal with the QB position at all his entire time here. It was a given and also pretty common knowledge that he didn’t want anything to do with having to deal with QBs.

His “green-ness” shows as he is trying to duplicate the position back to where is wasn’t a worry for him. Old “vet” QBs seem trouble free until you realize they are way past their prime.

Many here said BEN was done, stick a fork in him……… Yet he engineered 7 come from behind victories. Does that seem washed up? He chose to retire at the right time but even at that he was as good as anything Tomlin had on the roster. He was better than Russel Wilson and will more likely than not, prove to have been better than the invisible rogers.

All this shows is how inept the Tomlin is at the QB position.

Shades has a long-term trend of not developing anyone at any position.
Especially frustrating at the DB position since Shades cut his teeth as a DB coach, yet his better DB's have to come from other teams.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Shades has a long-term trend of not developing anyone at any position.
Especially frustrating at the DB position since Shades cut his teeth as a DB coach, yet his better DB's have to come from other teams.

I may be a minority here, but I think Coach Tomlin’s scheme actually lowers great players ability.

TJ Watt is a great example, add in Minkha Fitzpatrick as well. Two great players being minimized at their career’s expense.

Also the Tomlin is terrible at in-game adjustments / decisions.

The Sub-coaches are bare minimum bottom dwellers following said scheme, how can anyone develope ???

Pat Meyers anyone ??? Bubbles anyone ? Author Smith may soon be added to the demise if something doesn’t change.




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[BLITZ]

I may be a minority here, but I think Coach Tomlin’s scheme actually lowers great players ability.

TJ Watt is a great example, add in Minkha Fitzpatrick as well. Two great players being minimized at their career’s expense.

Also the Tomlin is terrible at in-game adjustments / decisions.

The Sub-coaches are bare minimum bottom dwellers following said scheme, how can anyone develope ???

Pat Meyers anyone ??? Bubbles anyone ? Author Smith may soon be added to the demise if something doesn’t change.


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I once thought that about Danny Smith. Don't know if my expectations have lowered over the years or he has gotten better, but he isn't on my list of MUST REPLACE coaches

 

[slashsteel]

I once thought that about Danny Smith. Don't know if my expectations have lowered over the years or he has gotten better, but he isn't on my list of MUST REPLACE coaches

For me it is Pat ( in regards to a positional coach) his work has been amazing uninspiring for the most part. A player leaving and becoming a pro bowler.

 

[BLITZ]

For me it is Pat ( in regards to a positional coach) his work has been amazing uninspiring for the most part. A player leaving and becoming a pro bowler.

For sure. I would like a change a DC. Someone that has a different perspective of how to use the most expensive in the league. Someone Tomlin will let coach

 

[slashsteel]

For sure. I would like a change a DC. Someone that has a different perspective of how to use the most expensive in the league. Someone Tomlin will let coach

You had me until … let.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I once thought that about Danny Smith. Don't know if my expectations have lowered over the years or he has gotten better, but he isn't on my list of MUST REPLACE coaches

He gets top priority on ST players and in the draft. He has one of the best “core” STs in the NFL, but I continuously see poor coached / not knowing the rules of the game / players out of position…….. and more. That is coaching.

Example: 1) Getting your Kicker knocked the **** out is one thing, but not having a prepared back up is totally about not coaching properly. He stuck Presley Harvin 3rd in there quite obviously not having a clue on how to kick an extra point.
2) I think it was Nash who fielded a kick-off that was definitely going out of bounds (about the 6-12 yard line). He ran up to it and actually tip-toed to not go out of bounds to make the catch. ANY return man should know (through coaching) that you either let it go out of bounds or you step out then touch/make the catch. That is coaching

He was continuously ranked low in NFL for a long time. I don’t know where he is today, but if there was a chance to clean house, bubbles would have to go.



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[Drink IRON City]

You had me until … let.

That’s part of the whole situation, we don’t know what we have because of how much are they held back ?

Everything isn’t Coach Tomlin’s fault, but when your brand is on near everything……… it seems like it.



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[WindyCitySteel]

Run First quarterbacks do not win Super Bowls. See Lamar Jackson for reference to that. As a Steeler fan, I've zero concern about the Ravens every winning a Super Bowl as long as they don't have a legit, passing QB. Lamar isn't a legitmate passing QB. Last year, he had his best year because of Derrick Henry drawing the defense up to handle him. Take Henry out the equation (like we did in the first game last year) and Lamar Jackson is the same old none-passing cornball he's always been. Hurts is a better QB all around. Hurts can really pass (had two thousand yard wide receivers his first year with Brown & Smith). But Hurts is mobile and has timely runs to keep the chains moving. Hurts I respect.

Lamar has fewer rush attempts than Hurts each of the last four seasons, some of that is Tush Push, but in general they both run a lot. Hurts also only threw for 2900 yards last year and had a great RB of his own (and OL, WR, and defense).

Sorry, you don’t win MVP twice without being a legitimate passing QB. Should have won his 3rd last year but it was Allen’s turn.

 

[SteelerFan448]

I may be a minority here, but I think Coach Tomlin’s scheme actually lowers great players ability.

TJ Watt is a great example, add in Minkha Fitzpatrick as well. Two great players being minimized at their career’s expense.

Also the Tomlin is terrible at in-game adjustments / decisions.

The Sub-coaches are bare minimum bottom dwellers following said scheme, how can anyone develope ???

Pat Meyers anyone ??? Bubbles anyone ? Author Smith may soon be added to the demise if something doesn’t change.

To an extent, yes. But it's hard to deny Watt's record breaking numbers. Tomlin allows players to play when they win matchups based on pure talent, not scheme. However, I do agree with your overall premise, especially recently, as we have far more examples of Tomlin limiting his players than setting them up for success. It's night and day between the Steelers coaching staff and the great coaching staffs in the NFL.

 

[Confluence]

I may be a minority here, but I think Coach Tomlin’s scheme actually lowers great players ability.

TJ Watt is a great example, add in Minkha Fitzpatrick as well. Two great players being minimized at their career’s expense.

Also the Tomlin is terrible at in-game adjustments / decisions.

The Sub-coaches are bare minimum bottom dwellers following said scheme, how can anyone develope ???

Pat Meyers anyone ??? Bubbles anyone ? Author Smith may soon be added to the demise if something doesn’t change.




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Remember how things ended with Troy and Hines too. Both sent packing seemingly against their will, with some gas in the tank.
It was very annoying to watch Hines watch most of the game from the sideline in his final season. He left and the Young Money bs started the idiocy of the WR room.

 

[slashsteel]

Remember how things ended with Troy and Hines too. Both sent packing seemingly against their will, with some gas in the tank.
It was very annoying to watch Hines watch most of the game from the sideline in his final season. He left and the Young Money bs started the idiocy of the WR room.

I dunno Troy was looking rough toward the end. They beat him like he stole their lunch money.

I remember thinking it is time a bunch of times his last season.

If I remember correctly the growing sentiment at that time was the Steelers held onto players too long and didn’t know when to let them go. I always thought he was a prime example of that.

He definitely was and is one of my favorite Steelers players for what he was on the field as well as off of it.

 

[Badcat]

I dunno Troy was looking rough toward the end. They beat him like he stole their lunch money.

I remember thinking it is time a bunch of times his last season.

If I remember correctly the growing sentiment at that time was the Steelers held onto players too long and didn’t know when to let them go. I always thought he was a prime example of that.

He definitely was and is one of my favorite Steelers players for what he was on the field as well as off of it.

Tomlin and his coaching staff **** on Troy by putting him in the box to stop the run more than they allowed him to play at his natural position. They're doing the same to Minkah and it's pissing me the hell off. Tomlin and Austin are complete and udder boobs and have no business being in the positions they are in.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I dunno Troy was looking rough toward the end. They beat him like he stole their lunch money.

I remember thinking it is time a bunch of times his last season.

If I remember correctly the growing sentiment at that time was the Steelers held onto players too long and didn’t know when to let them go. I always thought he was a prime example of that.

He definitely was and is one of my favorite Steelers players for what he was on the field as well as off of it.

I also think Troy had lingering lower body injury causing a lost step.

Badcat’s post shows how miss-managed this “scheme” manager’s ability was here from the start.

Unfortunately history seems to be repeating itself.


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[WindyCitySteel]

Kenny fires shots at Tomlin, Steelers.

https://x.com/ThePoniExpress/status/1927791332354863126

 

[bigben]

Run First quarterbacks do not win Super Bowls. See Lamar Jackson for reference to that. As a Steeler fan, I've zero concern about the Ravens every winning a Super Bowl as long as they don't have a legit, passing QB. Lamar isn't a legitmate passing QB. Last year, he had his best year because of Derrick Henry drawing the defense up to handle him. Take Henry out the equation (like we did in the first game last year) and Lamar Jackson is the same old none-passing cornball he's always been. Hurts is a better QB all around. Hurts can really pass (had two thousand yard wide receivers his first year with Brown & Smith). But Hurts is mobile and has timely runs to keep the chains moving. Hurts I respect.

Gotta respect both guys. Neither guy will ever be the greatest passer of all time, Lamar already is the greatest running QB of all time. Like it or not Lamar is a top QB. His stats are far superior outside of the tush push. Besides that and a superbowl ring Lamar has him beat in every metric. Both guys had the luxury of 2 of the best RB, Hurts has had far superior WR over his career, buth have had great tight ends.

Win Loss
Lamar 70-24
Hurts 46-20
Pass TD 166 vs 85
Rush yd 6173 vs 3133
Pass yd/ att 7.8 vs 7.6
Pass yd/ game 194-190
completion % 64.9 vs 64.4
Pass yd 20059 vs 14667
Higher avg yards/ season and TD % percentage season