I don't know why they didn't just resort back to tried and true methods to halt this virus. Methods that we already know work and are easy to implement.
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The idiot mayor of Carmel just closed the Monon Trail and the golf courses. I mean, WTF! This is crazy...
If you're going to the hospital for a covid-19 test make sure you bring with you a valid form of identification along with a printout of your IMDB page and/or your Basketball Reference stats
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They closed the courses in Palm Beach County
Might drive 30 miles tomorrow to next county to golf
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Psychological operation against the American people. Create chaos, fear, panic, disorientation, distraction, and preoccupation with death and calamity among the enemy population and make them ripe for whatever misdirection and "solutions" are imposed by the conquering force.
The fact that we now have a generation never at an arm's length from their phone and social media simply makes the job that much easier.
Look at millions of panicked females making a run on toilet paper of all things.
Like the walls of Jericho and Rahab's testimony to the spies in Josha Chapter 2, the people's hearts did melt within them when they heard what the virus had done in Italy and China. The viral brigade simply had to march 7 times around America in the Ministry of Propaganda news cycle and the walls crumbled with no real catapults or arrows needed to breach the defenses.
The media in 2020 are nothing more than an alien force dropping leaflets on the American people that doom is certain without Socialism and the surrender of civil liberties and the will to live and work as free men.
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I'll take "Onward Christian Soldiers" over John Lennon's "Imagine" every day of the week and twice on Sundays even with the church house closed.
We know who biggest liars on the planet are and which side they are on. Some things are worth standing your ground and not giving in to the mass delusion of a humanistic utopia that all the lessons of history tell you is doomed to bloody and tyrannical failure.
I'll share the last several stanzas of Kipling's "Gods of the Copybook Headings." The poem is outdated in its title. But, copybook headings in 1919 were what the child used to learn to write. He would also copy little instructive maxims such as "a penny saved is a penny earned" or similar to serve the dual purpose of inculcating virtue and civic responsibility in the child. When Kipling speaks of the Gods of the Market, he's speaking of pie-in-the sky progressivism divorced from God and the lessons of history.
https://oll.libertyfund.org/pages/kipling-the-gods-of-the-copybook-heading
In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “If you don’t work you die.”
Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew,
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four—
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.
As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man—
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began:—
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool’s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;
And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!
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Yep, because of a picture of people walking side by side down the trail. Never mind that probably 100% of those people are husband/wife, live together...etc. Socially distancing in public from a person that you sleep 6" from at night is kind of pointless (you would think).
Brainless is just worried that this crisis is going to impact the opening of his new hotel, that is now 40% over budget, and blame the over run on the cost of materials due to tariffs on China. You really can't make this up.
Taste was not the reason. He violated a rule that's in the sticky on the first page of this forum.
Boom, well done Mollie
As Trump’s Poll Numbers Rise, Media Begin Censoring Press Conferences
When polls showed that President Donald Trump was receiving unusually high marks for his handling of the Coronavirus pandemic, the first stage of grief the media went through was denial:
The political media have been working extremely hard to craft a narrative that the spread of the coronavirus was essentially the fault of the man they had blamed for all other ills in recent years. How could the people not accept that narrative, particularly considering that most everyone in the media was pushing it?
Things got worse when additional polls showed Trump receiving high ratings at the same time that the media received poor ratings. A brand new Gallup study — “Coronavirus Response: Hospitals Rated Best, News Media Worst” — was particularly bad news. When Americans were asked about nine different institutions and political leaders, they gave majority approval to all but the media. President Trump has a 22-point net approval rating while the media’s net approval rating was negative 11 points. The RealClearPolitics approval average for Trump was its highest during his entire presidency.
In response, the media were angry and depressed and began blaming his press conferences. Their theory seemed to be that the more Americans saw Trump, unfiltered, they liked him and the more Americans saw the behavior of the media, they didn’t like it. This flies in the face of what many in the media assumed for years. They pushed for daily White House press conferences so that they could have the opportunity to be on camera and pressure the Trump administration. Now that they had daily press briefings with the president, no less, they weren’t happy. It was a weird response for a group of people whose ostensible job is to simply report the news of the day.
This New York Times reporter began disparaging the public health briefings featuring some of the country’s top medical professionals:
Within a few days the groupthink had firmly spread. Suddenly addressing the American people day after day — the very thing the media had demanded for years — was a dangerous departure from norms:
An example of what they called a lie was Trump’s discussion of a potential treatment for those infected with the coronavirus. The proposed treatment has not gone through extensive clinical trials for the Wuhan coronavirus in particular, although it well established in use for malaria patients and many doctors are hoping to continue its use for the novel coronavirus. While New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is so bullish on the treatment that he authorized its use in his state, he has not received any criticism from the media. The absurdity of claiming that Trump was lying about this promising treatment plan was topped by the media blaming Trump when one individual seeking to prevent infection ingested fish tank cleaner because it contained similar ingredients.
Here an “All Things Considered” host at a public radio station funded by tax dollars, had this considered response:
After spending months demanding that the White House reinstate press conference, they are now demanding he shut them down as his performance is going better than theirs.
The Washington Post, whose tagline is “Democracy Dies In Darkness,” demanded that the lights on the presidential press briefings be turned off.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Margaret Sullivan: "The media must stop live-broadcasting Trump's dangerous, destructive coronavirus briefings." <a href="https://t.co/N19l2M2Qpr">https://t.co/N19l2M2Qpr</a></p>— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) <a href="https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1241696124718559236?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
While Americans might not appreciate the media censoring the public health briefings, Sullivan had one fan in Communist China. Lijian Zhao, the spokesperson & Deputy Director General of the Information Department in communist China’s Foreign Ministry retweeted MSNBC’s Kyle Griffin, who had tweeted out in support of Sullivan’s censorship plan:
Ted Koppel told the New York Times, “Training a camera on a live event, and just letting it play out, is technology, not journalism; journalism requires editing and context.”
While it’s true that good journalists will provide context, that’s precisely what’s been missing in their histrionic and sensationalized coverage of this global pandemic. They share aggregate numbers to inflame passions, they highlight poor performing hospitals and blame the coronavirus, even though the same hospitals were overwhelmed previously, they peddle faulty models that incite horrific panic.
What the media instead are realizing is that they have lost control over the filtering that they are used to providing. They seek to spin the news rather than simply show it and report it. And they justify their bias as being part of a higher calling in the journalism profession as opposed to a glaring failure.
The media that was able to push impeachment while the coronavirus spread throughout the world, that claimed concerns about it were racist, and that attempts to control its spread were xenophobic, now wants even more control over the message. Their plan to keep Americans in the dark about what the country’s top political and medical officials say unless it is filtered through a group of people who botched the 2016 campaign, the Russia collusion narrative, and the Kavanaugh confirmation hearing is a demonstration of something very dangerous.
They don’t want to report the news. They want to control it. That is damaging and destructive to their own already hurting reputations but, more importantly, to public health itself.
As Trump’s Poll Numbers Rise, Media Begin Censoring Press Conferences
When polls showed that President Donald Trump was receiving unusually high marks for his handling of the Coronavirus pandemic, the first stage of grief the media went through was denial:
The political media have been working extremely hard to craft a narrative that the spread of the coronavirus was essentially the fault of the man they had blamed for all other ills in recent years. How could the people not accept that narrative, particularly considering that most everyone in the media was pushing it?
Things got worse when additional polls showed Trump receiving high ratings at the same time that the media received poor ratings. A brand new Gallup study — “Coronavirus Response: Hospitals Rated Best, News Media Worst” — was particularly bad news. When Americans were asked about nine different institutions and political leaders, they gave majority approval to all but the media. President Trump has a 22-point net approval rating while the media’s net approval rating was negative 11 points. The RealClearPolitics approval average for Trump was its highest during his entire presidency.
In response, the media were angry and depressed and began blaming his press conferences. Their theory seemed to be that the more Americans saw Trump, unfiltered, they liked him and the more Americans saw the behavior of the media, they didn’t like it. This flies in the face of what many in the media assumed for years. They pushed for daily White House press conferences so that they could have the opportunity to be on camera and pressure the Trump administration. Now that they had daily press briefings with the president, no less, they weren’t happy. It was a weird response for a group of people whose ostensible job is to simply report the news of the day.
This New York Times reporter began disparaging the public health briefings featuring some of the country’s top medical professionals:
Within a few days the groupthink had firmly spread. Suddenly addressing the American people day after day — the very thing the media had demanded for years — was a dangerous departure from norms:
An example of what they called a lie was Trump’s discussion of a potential treatment for those infected with the coronavirus. The proposed treatment has not gone through extensive clinical trials for the Wuhan coronavirus in particular, although it well established in use for malaria patients and many doctors are hoping to continue its use for the novel coronavirus. While New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is so bullish on the treatment that he authorized its use in his state, he has not received any criticism from the media. The absurdity of claiming that Trump was lying about this promising treatment plan was topped by the media blaming Trump when one individual seeking to prevent infection ingested fish tank cleaner because it contained similar ingredients.
Here an “All Things Considered” host at a public radio station funded by tax dollars, had this considered response:
After spending months demanding that the White House reinstate press conference, they are now demanding he shut them down as his performance is going better than theirs.
The Washington Post, whose tagline is “Democracy Dies In Darkness,” demanded that the lights on the presidential press briefings be turned off.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Margaret Sullivan: "The media must stop live-broadcasting Trump's dangerous, destructive coronavirus briefings." <a href="https://t.co/N19l2M2Qpr">https://t.co/N19l2M2Qpr</a></p>— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) <a href="https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1241696124718559236?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
While Americans might not appreciate the media censoring the public health briefings, Sullivan had one fan in Communist China. Lijian Zhao, the spokesperson & Deputy Director General of the Information Department in communist China’s Foreign Ministry retweeted MSNBC’s Kyle Griffin, who had tweeted out in support of Sullivan’s censorship plan:
Ted Koppel told the New York Times, “Training a camera on a live event, and just letting it play out, is technology, not journalism; journalism requires editing and context.”
While it’s true that good journalists will provide context, that’s precisely what’s been missing in their histrionic and sensationalized coverage of this global pandemic. They share aggregate numbers to inflame passions, they highlight poor performing hospitals and blame the coronavirus, even though the same hospitals were overwhelmed previously, they peddle faulty models that incite horrific panic.
What the media instead are realizing is that they have lost control over the filtering that they are used to providing. They seek to spin the news rather than simply show it and report it. And they justify their bias as being part of a higher calling in the journalism profession as opposed to a glaring failure.
The media that was able to push impeachment while the coronavirus spread throughout the world, that claimed concerns about it were racist, and that attempts to control its spread were xenophobic, now wants even more control over the message. Their plan to keep Americans in the dark about what the country’s top political and medical officials say unless it is filtered through a group of people who botched the 2016 campaign, the Russia collusion narrative, and the Kavanaugh confirmation hearing is a demonstration of something very dangerous.
They don’t want to report the news. They want to control it. That is damaging and destructive to their own already hurting reputations but, more importantly, to public health itself.
Possible good news
Relatively Stable SARS-CoV-2 Genome Is Good News for a Vaccine
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-...cov-2-genome-is-good-news-for-a-vaccine-67319
The genome of the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 has remained relatively stable during its global spread, suggesting that a vaccine could confer long-term protection, according to The Washington Post. Although all replicating viruses accumulate some mutations that persist due to natural selection, the genetics of SARS-CoV-2 suggest that it is not mutating at a high rate, researchers report. They tell the Post that the virus’s proofreading machinery reduces both the rate of mutation and the error rate, and that no strains appear to be more dangerous than others.
There exist roughly four to 10 genetic differences between the origin virus from Wuhan and the strains currently circulating in the United States, molecular geneticist Peter Thielen of Johns Hopkins University tells the Post. “That’s a relatively small number of mutations for having passed through a large number of people,” he says. “At this point, the mutation rate of the virus would suggest that the vaccine developed for SARS-CoV-2 would be a single vaccine, rather than a new vaccine every year like the flu vaccine.” Thielen adds that the coronavirus vaccine might bear similarities to the vaccines for the measles or chickenpox, both of which offer long-lasting immunity.
“The virus has not mutated to any significant extent,” virologist Stanley Perlman of the University of Iowa agrees in a comment to the Post..........
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Relatively Stable SARS-CoV-2 Genome Is Good News for a Vaccine
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-...cov-2-genome-is-good-news-for-a-vaccine-67319
The genome of the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 has remained relatively stable during its global spread, suggesting that a vaccine could confer long-term protection, according to The Washington Post. Although all replicating viruses accumulate some mutations that persist due to natural selection, the genetics of SARS-CoV-2 suggest that it is not mutating at a high rate, researchers report. They tell the Post that the virus’s proofreading machinery reduces both the rate of mutation and the error rate, and that no strains appear to be more dangerous than others.
There exist roughly four to 10 genetic differences between the origin virus from Wuhan and the strains currently circulating in the United States, molecular geneticist Peter Thielen of Johns Hopkins University tells the Post. “That’s a relatively small number of mutations for having passed through a large number of people,” he says. “At this point, the mutation rate of the virus would suggest that the vaccine developed for SARS-CoV-2 would be a single vaccine, rather than a new vaccine every year like the flu vaccine.” Thielen adds that the coronavirus vaccine might bear similarities to the vaccines for the measles or chickenpox, both of which offer long-lasting immunity.
“The virus has not mutated to any significant extent,” virologist Stanley Perlman of the University of Iowa agrees in a comment to the Post..........
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As many were saying, and now Fauci is saying himself:
(New England Journal of Medicine)
New England Journal of Medicine – Fauci admits virus death rate is ‘more like a bad flu’…
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
The latest threat to global health is the ongoing outbreak of the respiratory disease that was recently given the name Coronavirus Disease 2019 (Covid-19). Covid-19 was recognized in December 2019.1 It was rapidly shown to be caused by a novel coronavirus that is structurally related to the virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). As in two preceding instances of emergence of coronavirus disease in the past 18 years2 — SARS (2002 and 2003) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) (2012 to the present) — the Covid-19 outbreak has posed critical challenges for the public health, research, and medical communities.
In their Journal article, Li and colleagues3 provide a detailed clinical and epidemiologic description of the first 425 cases reported in the epicenter of the outbreak: the city of Wuhan in Hubei province, China. Although this information is critical in informing the appropriate response to this outbreak, as the authors point out, the study faces the limitation associated with reporting in real time the evolution of an emerging pathogen in its earliest stages. Nonetheless, a degree of clarity is emerging from this report. The median age of the patients was 59 years, with higher morbidity and mortality among the elderly and among those with coexisting conditions (similar to the situation with influenza); 56% of the patients were male. Of note, there were no cases in children younger than 15 years of age. Either children are less likely to become infected, which would have important epidemiologic implications, or their symptoms were so mild that their infection escaped detection, which has implications for the size of the denominator of total community infections.
On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia, the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%.4 In another article in the Journal, Guan et al.5 report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity. If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2
The efficiency of transmission for any respiratory virus has important implications for containment and mitigation strategies. The current study indicates an estimated basic reproduction number (R0) of 2.2, which means that, on average, each infected person spreads the infection to an additional two persons. As the authors note, until this number falls below 1.0, it is likely that the outbreak will continue to spread. Recent reports of high titers of virus in the oropharynx early in the course of disease arouse concern about increased infectivity during the period of minimal symptoms.6,7
China, the United States, and several other countries have instituted temporary restrictions on travel with an eye toward slowing the spread of this new disease within China and throughout the rest of the world. The United States has seen a dramatic reduction in the number of travelers from China, especially from Hubei province. At least on a temporary basis, such restrictions may have helped slow the spread of the virus: whereas 78,191 laboratory-confirmed cases had been identified in China as of February 26, 2020, a total of 2918 cases had been confirmed in 37 other countries or territories.4 As of February 26, 2020, there had been 14 cases detected in the United States involving travel to China or close contacts with travelers, 3 cases among U.S. citizens repatriated from China, and 42 cases among U.S. passengers repatriated from a cruise ship where the infection had spread.8 However, given the efficiency of transmission as indicated in the current report, we should be prepared for Covid-19 to gain a foothold throughout the world, including in the United States. Community spread in the United States could require a shift from containment to mitigation strategies such as social distancing in order to reduce transmission. Such strategies could include isolating ill persons (including voluntary isolation at home), school closures, and telecommuting where possible.9
A robust research effort is currently under way to develop a vaccine against Covid-19.10 We anticipate that the first candidates will enter phase 1 trials by early spring. Therapy currently consists of supportive care while a variety of investigational approaches are being explored.11 Among these are the antiviral medication lopinavir–ritonavir, interferon-1β, the RNA polymerase inhibitor remdesivir, chloroquine, and a variety of traditional Chinese medicine products.11 Once available, intravenous hyperimmune globulin from recovered persons and monoclonal antibodies may be attractive candidates to study in early intervention. Critical to moving the field forward, even in the context of an outbreak, is ensuring that investigational products are evaluated in scientifically and ethically sound studies.12
Every outbreak provides an opportunity to gain important information, some of which is associated with a limited window of opportunity. For example, Li et al. report a mean interval of 9.1 to 12.5 days between the onset of illness and hospitalization. This finding of a delay in the progression to serious disease may be telling us something important about the pathogenesis of this new virus and may provide a unique window of opportunity for intervention. Achieving a better understanding of the pathogenesis of this disease will be invaluable in navigating our responses in this uncharted arena. Furthermore, genomic studies could delineate host factors that predispose persons to acquisition of infection and disease progression.
The Covid-19 outbreak is a stark reminder of the ongoing challenge of emerging and reemerging infectious pathogens and the need for constant surveillance, prompt diagnosis, and robust research to understand the basic biology of new organisms and our susceptibilities to them, as well as to develop effective countermeasures.
(New England Journal of Medicine)
New England Journal of Medicine – Fauci admits virus death rate is ‘more like a bad flu’…
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
The latest threat to global health is the ongoing outbreak of the respiratory disease that was recently given the name Coronavirus Disease 2019 (Covid-19). Covid-19 was recognized in December 2019.1 It was rapidly shown to be caused by a novel coronavirus that is structurally related to the virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). As in two preceding instances of emergence of coronavirus disease in the past 18 years2 — SARS (2002 and 2003) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) (2012 to the present) — the Covid-19 outbreak has posed critical challenges for the public health, research, and medical communities.
In their Journal article, Li and colleagues3 provide a detailed clinical and epidemiologic description of the first 425 cases reported in the epicenter of the outbreak: the city of Wuhan in Hubei province, China. Although this information is critical in informing the appropriate response to this outbreak, as the authors point out, the study faces the limitation associated with reporting in real time the evolution of an emerging pathogen in its earliest stages. Nonetheless, a degree of clarity is emerging from this report. The median age of the patients was 59 years, with higher morbidity and mortality among the elderly and among those with coexisting conditions (similar to the situation with influenza); 56% of the patients were male. Of note, there were no cases in children younger than 15 years of age. Either children are less likely to become infected, which would have important epidemiologic implications, or their symptoms were so mild that their infection escaped detection, which has implications for the size of the denominator of total community infections.
On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia, the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%.4 In another article in the Journal, Guan et al.5 report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity. If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2
The efficiency of transmission for any respiratory virus has important implications for containment and mitigation strategies. The current study indicates an estimated basic reproduction number (R0) of 2.2, which means that, on average, each infected person spreads the infection to an additional two persons. As the authors note, until this number falls below 1.0, it is likely that the outbreak will continue to spread. Recent reports of high titers of virus in the oropharynx early in the course of disease arouse concern about increased infectivity during the period of minimal symptoms.6,7
China, the United States, and several other countries have instituted temporary restrictions on travel with an eye toward slowing the spread of this new disease within China and throughout the rest of the world. The United States has seen a dramatic reduction in the number of travelers from China, especially from Hubei province. At least on a temporary basis, such restrictions may have helped slow the spread of the virus: whereas 78,191 laboratory-confirmed cases had been identified in China as of February 26, 2020, a total of 2918 cases had been confirmed in 37 other countries or territories.4 As of February 26, 2020, there had been 14 cases detected in the United States involving travel to China or close contacts with travelers, 3 cases among U.S. citizens repatriated from China, and 42 cases among U.S. passengers repatriated from a cruise ship where the infection had spread.8 However, given the efficiency of transmission as indicated in the current report, we should be prepared for Covid-19 to gain a foothold throughout the world, including in the United States. Community spread in the United States could require a shift from containment to mitigation strategies such as social distancing in order to reduce transmission. Such strategies could include isolating ill persons (including voluntary isolation at home), school closures, and telecommuting where possible.9
A robust research effort is currently under way to develop a vaccine against Covid-19.10 We anticipate that the first candidates will enter phase 1 trials by early spring. Therapy currently consists of supportive care while a variety of investigational approaches are being explored.11 Among these are the antiviral medication lopinavir–ritonavir, interferon-1β, the RNA polymerase inhibitor remdesivir, chloroquine, and a variety of traditional Chinese medicine products.11 Once available, intravenous hyperimmune globulin from recovered persons and monoclonal antibodies may be attractive candidates to study in early intervention. Critical to moving the field forward, even in the context of an outbreak, is ensuring that investigational products are evaluated in scientifically and ethically sound studies.12
Every outbreak provides an opportunity to gain important information, some of which is associated with a limited window of opportunity. For example, Li et al. report a mean interval of 9.1 to 12.5 days between the onset of illness and hospitalization. This finding of a delay in the progression to serious disease may be telling us something important about the pathogenesis of this new virus and may provide a unique window of opportunity for intervention. Achieving a better understanding of the pathogenesis of this disease will be invaluable in navigating our responses in this uncharted arena. Furthermore, genomic studies could delineate host factors that predispose persons to acquisition of infection and disease progression.
The Covid-19 outbreak is a stark reminder of the ongoing challenge of emerging and reemerging infectious pathogens and the need for constant surveillance, prompt diagnosis, and robust research to understand the basic biology of new organisms and our susceptibilities to them, as well as to develop effective countermeasures.
Trump still playing chess, and the press is still playing checkers.
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Trump is always talking over the media directly to the people. That’s why they want to shut him down so badly. They can’t have people making up their own minds. That’s their job.
Look at all those tweets about not covering Trump live. Only showing clips that they can spin later. That’s them saying they must listen on your behalf and only pass along the info they want you to have because they think you are too dumb to make up your own mind so they’ll do it for you.
Trump talks f0r an hour or so. They have all night to criticize and respond, but that’s not enough. They can’t allow you to hear both sides. They decide what you get to hear. It’s pretty scary that so many people go along with this fascist behavior.
Look at all those tweets about not covering Trump live. Only showing clips that they can spin later. That’s them saying they must listen on your behalf and only pass along the info they want you to have because they think you are too dumb to make up your own mind so they’ll do it for you.
Trump talks f0r an hour or so. They have all night to criticize and respond, but that’s not enough. They can’t allow you to hear both sides. They decide what you get to hear. It’s pretty scary that so many people go along with this fascist behavior.
Does that mean we can call for the death of someone who is not on this site? Asking for a friend...
Hello? Hello? Is there an echo?
I think it would be ok to say wish death upon a terrorist or some other bad fella?
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Thought I would share something that just happened to me maybe as an encouragement and metaphor of hope for us all. As God as my witness I am not lying to you nor trying to put myself forward as any mystic -- just bearing witness to what happened. I was out in the yard hooking up a trailer to my pickup truck, and I turned as if out of nowhere a white rabbit "appeared" and lingered in my yard for about 10-15 minutes despite my best efforts to catch it thinking perhaps it was a neighbor's pet (I live in the country relatively speaking). For some reason, I had been picking up on people using the term "white rabbit" lately although I am not typically an adherent to extra-Biblical mysticism or legend. In 40 years here, I have never seen a white rabbit in the wild.
However, I looked it up, and:
https://www.amandalinettemeder.com/blog/white-rabbit-spirit-animal-medicine-symbolism
Rabbits tend to have shorter lifespans than humans. However, they move quickly and can teach us a lot about the use of our intuitive senses.
Rabbits, in general, symbolize the release of fear, a willingness to trust your intuition. When you encounter one as an adult, they generally suggest teachings about survival mode.
When you see a white rabbit, they can symbolize purification fears regarding survival, and their appearance can encourage a more playful and curious view of the world.
The symbolism is one akin to the messages shown to us by Alice and her Wonderland.
In the movie, the most recent from 2010, Alice follows the rabbit right as she is about to make a life move that will ultimately affect her survival and happiness on earth.
As she is unsure, a white rabbit appears to provide her an alternative path. She follows the rabbit and eventually releases her fears and prospers in life.
The appearance of a white rabbit if often meant to alert us that we are now entering into a journey unknown.
This journey will carry us through the path of our own fears, onto a quest of knowledge, step us into the mystery, but we will step out the other side.
It is usually a sign that someone is embarking a spiritual pursuit and can appear more than once in a person's lifetime to herald this."
I know most of you guys think I'm crazy when I've been making comparisons to the Israelites being quarantined in their homes on the night before the Exodus and Deliverance from the plagues and slavery of Egypt which symbolizes the world system, but I believe it is no accident that 4/11 Information Day is coming with 4/12 Resurrection Day on its heels. Nobody knows how all of this will work out, but let's not forget that God is in control even when the ship lists or the stormy gale is upon us. The Red Sea was parted when things looked the bleakest. Returning to the animal kingdom, we also know that "His eye is on the sparrow, and I know he watches me" to reference the hymn and the Beatitudes.
However, I looked it up, and:
https://www.amandalinettemeder.com/blog/white-rabbit-spirit-animal-medicine-symbolism
Rabbits tend to have shorter lifespans than humans. However, they move quickly and can teach us a lot about the use of our intuitive senses.
Rabbits, in general, symbolize the release of fear, a willingness to trust your intuition. When you encounter one as an adult, they generally suggest teachings about survival mode.
When you see a white rabbit, they can symbolize purification fears regarding survival, and their appearance can encourage a more playful and curious view of the world.
The symbolism is one akin to the messages shown to us by Alice and her Wonderland.
In the movie, the most recent from 2010, Alice follows the rabbit right as she is about to make a life move that will ultimately affect her survival and happiness on earth.
As she is unsure, a white rabbit appears to provide her an alternative path. She follows the rabbit and eventually releases her fears and prospers in life.
The appearance of a white rabbit if often meant to alert us that we are now entering into a journey unknown.
This journey will carry us through the path of our own fears, onto a quest of knowledge, step us into the mystery, but we will step out the other side.
It is usually a sign that someone is embarking a spiritual pursuit and can appear more than once in a person's lifetime to herald this."
I know most of you guys think I'm crazy when I've been making comparisons to the Israelites being quarantined in their homes on the night before the Exodus and Deliverance from the plagues and slavery of Egypt which symbolizes the world system, but I believe it is no accident that 4/11 Information Day is coming with 4/12 Resurrection Day on its heels. Nobody knows how all of this will work out, but let's not forget that God is in control even when the ship lists or the stormy gale is upon us. The Red Sea was parted when things looked the bleakest. Returning to the animal kingdom, we also know that "His eye is on the sparrow, and I know he watches me" to reference the hymn and the Beatitudes.
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This stuff about Trump talking about opening stuff up by Easter is a perfect example of the media misinformation. I heard his comments. It was obvious to anybody with a brain that Trump was not emphatically saying that we’re opening everything up by Easter. It was just a message that it’s possible as the situation is always changing. But the media can’t abide any sort of hope. The won’t allow it.
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You got all that from a rabbit in your yard?
Site's broke...
I am pretty sure the government has a lot of power to force networks to cover presidential stuff... their broadcast rights make them highly subject to extra government control in certain situations...
Yesterday the UK study was walked back. I posted several studies a week ago saying the projections were whack. Now this from these Stanford professors saying the projections are whack.
It's almost like....they got the Global Warming Scientists to use their models to estimate the impact of COVID19 huh?
Stanford medical professors: COVID-19 death toll estimates may be 'orders of magnitude' too high
A pair of public health experts from Stanford, Drs. Eran Bendavid and Jay Bhattacharya, warn Americans in a Wall Street Journal editorial that the current estimates about the coronavirus' fatality rate may be too high by "orders of magnitude."
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According to Bendavid and Bhattacharya, both of whom are medical doctors, while they are supportive of social distancing guidelines and efforts to contain the disease, they fear that orders to shut down the entire economy may be based on shoddy research data.
Death toll projects may be 'orders of magnitude too high'
"If it's true that the novel coronavirus would kill millions without shelter-in-place orders and quarantines, then the extraordinary measures being carried out in cities and states around the country are surely justified," they wrote. "But," and what a big one it is, they add, "there's little evidence to confirm that premise — and projections of the death toll could plausibly be orders of magnitude too high."
The two submit that because the United States and other countries largely focus their testing on symptomatic patients, the number of people who are infected with COVID-19 is likely much larger than the number of confirmed cases being reported by public health agencies throughout the country, which means the virus' mortality rate is likely significantly lower.
"Fear of Covid-19 is based on its high estimated case fatality rate — 2% to 4% of people with confirmed Covid-19 have died, according to the World Health Organization and others," wrote Bendavid and Bhattacharya. "So if 100 million Americans ultimately get the disease, 2 million to 4 million could die. We believe that estimate is deeply flawed. The true fatality rate is the portion of those infected who die, not the deaths from identified positive cases."
How did they predict this?
The two professors argue that the best evidence of the coronavirus death rate being significantly lower than what is being reported may lie in the Italian town of Vò. On March 6, the town's 3,300 residents were tested. Of these, 90 tests came back positive, indicating a prevalence of 2.7% of the population having the virus.
If one were to apply this to the entire province where the town is located, which has a population of 955,000, it would mean there were actually 26,000 infections at the time, and not just the 198 that were officially confirmed. This would be 130 times greater than the number of reported cases. Since Italy's case fatality rate of 8% is estimated using the confirmed cases, Bendavid and Bhattacharya write, "the real fatality rate [of the virus] could in fact be closer to 0.06%."
A 'cause for optimism'?
The two Stanford Health Policy experts even said the virus' mortality rate might be on par with that of the seasonal flu:
A universal lockdown 'may not be worth the costs'
Bendavid and Bhattacharya say that if they are right about the lower lethality of the epidemic, public policy experts should focus their measures on protecting the elderly and expanding medical capacity.
"Hospital resources will need to be reallocated to care for the critically ill patients. Triage will need to improve. And policy makers will need to focus on reducing risks for older adults and people with underlying medical conditions."
The pair conclude that if their estimates are right, then the universal quarantine measures "may not be worth the costs it imposes on the economy, community, and individual mental and physical health."
"We should undertake immediate steps to evaluate the empirical basis of the current lockdowns," they added.
It's almost like....they got the Global Warming Scientists to use their models to estimate the impact of COVID19 huh?
Stanford medical professors: COVID-19 death toll estimates may be 'orders of magnitude' too high
A pair of public health experts from Stanford, Drs. Eran Bendavid and Jay Bhattacharya, warn Americans in a Wall Street Journal editorial that the current estimates about the coronavirus' fatality rate may be too high by "orders of magnitude."
Ditch the fake news ==> Click here to get news you can trust sent right to your inbox. It's free!
According to Bendavid and Bhattacharya, both of whom are medical doctors, while they are supportive of social distancing guidelines and efforts to contain the disease, they fear that orders to shut down the entire economy may be based on shoddy research data.
Death toll projects may be 'orders of magnitude too high'
"If it's true that the novel coronavirus would kill millions without shelter-in-place orders and quarantines, then the extraordinary measures being carried out in cities and states around the country are surely justified," they wrote. "But," and what a big one it is, they add, "there's little evidence to confirm that premise — and projections of the death toll could plausibly be orders of magnitude too high."
The two submit that because the United States and other countries largely focus their testing on symptomatic patients, the number of people who are infected with COVID-19 is likely much larger than the number of confirmed cases being reported by public health agencies throughout the country, which means the virus' mortality rate is likely significantly lower.
"Fear of Covid-19 is based on its high estimated case fatality rate — 2% to 4% of people with confirmed Covid-19 have died, according to the World Health Organization and others," wrote Bendavid and Bhattacharya. "So if 100 million Americans ultimately get the disease, 2 million to 4 million could die. We believe that estimate is deeply flawed. The true fatality rate is the portion of those infected who die, not the deaths from identified positive cases."
How did they predict this?
The two professors argue that the best evidence of the coronavirus death rate being significantly lower than what is being reported may lie in the Italian town of Vò. On March 6, the town's 3,300 residents were tested. Of these, 90 tests came back positive, indicating a prevalence of 2.7% of the population having the virus.
If one were to apply this to the entire province where the town is located, which has a population of 955,000, it would mean there were actually 26,000 infections at the time, and not just the 198 that were officially confirmed. This would be 130 times greater than the number of reported cases. Since Italy's case fatality rate of 8% is estimated using the confirmed cases, Bendavid and Bhattacharya write, "the real fatality rate [of the virus] could in fact be closer to 0.06%."
A 'cause for optimism'?
The two Stanford Health Policy experts even said the virus' mortality rate might be on par with that of the seasonal flu:
A universal lockdown 'may not be worth the costs'
Bendavid and Bhattacharya say that if they are right about the lower lethality of the epidemic, public policy experts should focus their measures on protecting the elderly and expanding medical capacity.
"Hospital resources will need to be reallocated to care for the critically ill patients. Triage will need to improve. And policy makers will need to focus on reducing risks for older adults and people with underlying medical conditions."
The pair conclude that if their estimates are right, then the universal quarantine measures "may not be worth the costs it imposes on the economy, community, and individual mental and physical health."
"We should undertake immediate steps to evaluate the empirical basis of the current lockdowns," they added.
God, I hate the unhinged comments from Trump. Compare his comments to these reasoned, thoughtful statements from a typical (D)im:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the kind of **** usually reserved for snake handlers<br><br> <a href="https://t.co/VC7I8vTTjI">pic.twitter.com/VC7I8vTTjI</a></p>— Ryan James Girdusky (@RyanGirdusky) <a href="https://twitter.com/RyanGirdusky/status/1243551268464930819?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Wow, we need more of that calm, unemotional logic.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the kind of **** usually reserved for snake handlers<br><br> <a href="https://t.co/VC7I8vTTjI">pic.twitter.com/VC7I8vTTjI</a></p>— Ryan James Girdusky (@RyanGirdusky) <a href="https://twitter.com/RyanGirdusky/status/1243551268464930819?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Wow, we need more of that calm, unemotional logic.